This is exactly my point.
AR returned for that Bears game and threw for 300+ and 2 TDs.
Yet it was MM and company that stood up?
Never get to that point without circling the wagons. artis summed it up for me as well.
Never have to circle the wagons if the team isn't a complete trainwreck without AR.
That is on MM and TT.
Again, we are praising them for not being the worst team in the NFL when AR (and others) are out. I expected more from the team.
We all have a different view of it. No problem with that.
Originally Posted by Pikes Peak:
Originally Posted by Brak:
artis...thank you. That's how I felt during that stretch. I know we all see things differently, but your post sums up how I will remember the last half of last year.
Does the last half of the season include amother home field playoff loss.....that's what I remember.
Unfortunately, yes, it does.
I truly hate that picture.
Have not heard much from old AaronSatori around here in awhile.
Still think the Packers win today.
I hope you're right.
If BB coached for a team that didn't have an owner with the commissioner in his back pocket, would he have the same success?
If Guion, Daniels and Boyd can take it up one notch, Packers win. Who can mask defensive deficiencies is the name of the game.
Anyone saying the Patriots offense is superior is a damn dullard.
Originally Posted by PackOly:
If BB coached for a team that didn't have an owner with the commissioner in his back pocket, would he have the same success?
Would 360,000 owners fit in Rogers back pocket?
300,000 owners that Baddell views with disdain compared to Kraft.
Originally Posted by FreeSafety:
Originally Posted by Brak:
I would add that McCarthy is undervalued regarding Rodgers' development. TT/MM/AR are tied at the hip(s). It's been quite something to witness for this fan.
Great point.
I often fail to give MM proper credit for that, but it doesn't mean AR would not still have been a great QB under different coaching.
If he gets credit for "developing" Rodgers then he also gets credit for the other qb's he has coached while he has been here.
Brohm
Martin
Flynn
Tolzien
Originally Posted by Pikes Peak:
Originally Posted by PackOly:
If BB coached for a team that didn't have an owner with the commissioner in his back pocket, would he have the same success?
Would 360,000 owners fit in Rogers back pocket?
No, but 360,000 fans have Rodgers back!!! And you can have your pick of which Rodgers. 
Daniels is a huge wildcard today. I don't think Brady has ever gotten over Pollard taking his ACL out. He hates pressure on his front porch. He gets a nice pocket....not good.
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
Originally Posted by FreeSafety:
Originally Posted by Brak:
I would add that McCarthy is undervalued regarding Rodgers' development. TT/MM/AR are tied at the hip(s). It's been quite something to witness for this fan.
Great point.
I often fail to give MM proper credit for that, but it doesn't mean AR would not still have been a great QB under different coaching.
If he gets credit for "developing" Rodgers then he also gets credit for the other qb's he has coached while he has been here.
Brohm
Martin
Flynn
Tolzien
lollololool.. zing!
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
Originally Posted by FreeSafety:
Originally Posted by Brak:
I would add that McCarthy is undervalued regarding Rodgers' development. TT/MM/AR are tied at the hip(s). It's been quite something to witness for this fan.
Great point.
I often fail to give MM proper credit for that, but it doesn't mean AR would not still have been a great QB under different coaching.
If he gets credit for "developing" Rodgers then he also gets credit for the other qb's he has coached while he has been here.
Brohm
Martin
Flynn
Tolzien
You're comparing a guy that many thought would be the first pick of the draft to these guys?
Brohm -- 2nd round pick, cut, kept Flynn
Martin -- Furman punter, 5th round. Lasted a year behind Favre and Rodgers.
Flynn -- 7th round pick, current #2 on roster. I'm not saying he's good, but he's got wins, records, money, and chicks on his resume.
Tolzein -- UDFA, Packers are his 3rd team. Shows some things.
So, McCarthy deserves as much blame for these guys not doing well as he deserves credit for helping develop Rodgers, who spent 3 years in the system backing up a hall of famer?
OK, guy.
On the other hand, his record with guys with the first name Aaron is pretty good.
lollololool.. zing!
WTF is that?!?!?!?!?!
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
If he gets credit for "developing" Rodgers then he also gets credit for the other qb's he has coached while he has been here.
Brohm
Martin
Flynn
Tolzien
Add in Rich Gannon in his prime, Aaron Brooks run in New Orleans. MM is a fantastic QB coach and has grown immensely in his time as HC with the Packers.
Originally Posted by Brak:
Flynn -- 7th round pick, current #2 on roster. I'm not saying he's good, but he's got wins, records, money, and chicks on his resume.
Not to mention, the guy knows how to have a good time at a generic white guy concert.
Matt Flynn Had A Hell Of A Time At Last Night's Pearl Jam Concert
I'll tell you this much, better bust out the vaseline after this game is over. One poster or another is going to get the stinky pinky considering the deification going on.
I'll be happy irrregardless because no matter what, I'm not antiworst.
I picked the Pack, I'm a true fan.
"You're comparing a guy that many thought would be the first pick of the draft to these guys?"
I'm only comparing them in regards to development while attending MM's QB school. Its not like everything he touches turns into gold. Flynn has made the most of his talent under MM, the other two, not so much.
Obviously Rodgers talent is on a different planet, that's the point.
I picked a good game between two evenly matched teams.
I'd say Flynn developed quite well. Not McCarthy's fault others don;t know how to stir that cocktail.
Tolzien, too soon to say.
As for Brohm and Martin, you would have a better argument with Graham Harrell.
I submit this clip as a symbol of this thread and upcoming game.
Lolllooololloolloolll....zing!Ā©
Ed Hoculi and his boys on the crew today
EDDIE EDDIE EDDIE!!!!!
Originally Posted by PackerPatrick:
I see a close game at first with NE pulling ahead at the end. We have no match for their run game and Gronk. AR throws his first interception
at home (a forced ball due to blanket coverage)and NE scores and we cant get back in the game. Eddie runs into the back of our OL because of the NE beef. MM makes a bonehead decision and we pay for it.
I see our "Special" teams riding home on the "short bus". Crosby misses a FG and NE make all theirs.
I am already looking ahead to the next games because we will be toasted in this one. However, many fans will stay until the end of the game and many of them too drunk to drive.
Called it.
The Crosby miss that is.
Same type of win like they got last year without Rodgers. Stuck together, battled and gutted out a not so pretty win. Intangibles that can't be measured on a football field, but CAN be instilled by a good head coach and organization. And who could have guessed the weakest link on the team could get the stop when they needed it most. Great win.
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
Still think the Packers win today.
Shhhhh!!!! We can still get a late flag.