Looks like we have a real discussion....it can happen if folks aren't labeled douchbags, commies, socialists or nazis. All opinions are just that, opinions, we all have some, and solutions have to come from ALL those opinions.
Hungry5 posted:From what I've read DeVoss is unqualified, and IMO misguided, this latter part comes from her boss. Obama and McCarthy were not unqualified, they just lacked the traditional experience many expect when someone achieves the roles they did.
Trump is unqualified and lacks even a hint of experience to be POTUS. He's nothing more than a 3rd rate NY real estate developer who talks a lot like Jaymo.
President Obama was completely unqualified- he had little actual leadership or executive experience. He was a complete unknown, and his inexperience cost the country dearly on the world stage.
Trump has been a business executive for half his life. He runs his empire. Now disagree with how he ran his business, his policies, temperament, all that... but he was more qualified than a community organizer junior senator with almost no voting track record who was thrust forward as a candidate for other significant reasons.
Music City posted:None of you would say a word of these bull**** things to my face. None.
I would.
It's easy to talk to others when you aren't calling everyone names and idiots and human debris.
Might want to try it
Music City posted:Hungry5 posted:From what I've read DeVoss is unqualified, and IMO misguided, this latter part comes from her boss. Obama and McCarthy were not unqualified, they just lacked the traditional experience many expect when someone achieves the roles they did.
Trump is unqualified and lacks even a hint of experience to be POTUS. He's nothing more than a 3rd rate NY real estate developer who talks a lot like Jaymo.
President Obama was completely unqualified- he had little actual leadership or executive experience. He was a complete unknown, and his inexperience cost the country dearly on the world stage.
Trump has been a business executive for half his life. He runs his empire. Now disagree with how he ran his business, his policies, temperament, all that... but he was more qualified than a community organizer junior senator with almost no voting track record who was thrust forward as a candidate for other significant reasons.
CAPackFan95 posted:Music City posted:None of you would say a word of these bull**** things to my face. None.
I would.
HOLY **** that's hilarious!
Music City posted:Hungry5 posted:From what I've read DeVoss is unqualified, and IMO misguided, this latter part comes from her boss. Obama and McCarthy were not unqualified, they just lacked the traditional experience many expect when someone achieves the roles they did.
Trump is unqualified and lacks even a hint of experience to be POTUS. He's nothing more than a 3rd rate NY real estate developer who talks a lot like Jaymo.
President Obama was completely unqualified- he had little actual leadership or executive experience. He was a complete unknown, and his inexperience cost the country dearly on the world stage.
Trump has been a business executive for half his life. He runs his empire. Now disagree with how he ran his business, his policies, temperament, all that... but he was more qualified than a community organizer junior senator with almost no voting track record who was thrust forward as a candidate for other significant reasons.
If business success is defined by what one accomplishes through actual net results then I think Trump has failed miserably. Besides the numerous bankruptcies, defaulting creditors and scorched earth treatment of employees and suppliers and customers he’s no role model that for damn sure. Unless you reside in the Russian Federation. Or secure loans from the mob or oligarchs or both.
He’s one step removed from being a game show host or TV evangelist.
Tschmack posted:If business success is defined by what one accomplishes through actual net results then I think Trump has failed miserably. Besides the numerous bankruptcies, defaulting creditors and scorched earth treatment of employees and suppliers and customers he’s no role model that for damn sure. Unless you reside in the Russian Federation. Or secure loans from the mob or oligarchs or both.
He’s one step removed from being a game show host or TV evangelist.
If only Obama had half those qualifications....
how he ran his business is exactly why he is unqualified.
Obama is elevnty-billion times more intelligent than Trump, and he was qualified from that perspective, but it was his inexperience that severely hampered him, not his brains.
Trump has neither. He acts and talks like a secondary character in a Scorsese film.
How yu doin'?
What are these other significant reasons?
junior senator with almost no voting track record who was thrust forward as a candidate for other significant reasons.
CAPackFan95 posted:It's easy to talk to others when you aren't calling everyone names and idiots and human debris.
Might want to try it
Oh **** off. You seriously think you’re approachable for “talk”? All you do is run your mouth intimating that everyone conservative is racist, anyone conservative is fascist... I’ll never give you quarter. You haven’t earned it. You attack and condescend and gang up on anyone in opposition to your precious world view. You have buddies so you’re empowered. Goes with times I suppose... get out your black masks and go beat on some Trump women.
Henry posted:CAPackFan95 posted:Music City posted:None of you would say a word of these bull**** things to my face. None.
I would.
HOLY **** that's hilarious!
Suuuuure big fella...
Big fella? Should I bring flowers instead? How romantic.
Music City posted:CAPackFan95 posted:It's easy to talk to others when you aren't calling everyone names and idiots and human debris.
Might want to try it
Oh **** off. You seriously think you’re approachable for “talk”? All you do is run your mouth intimating that everyone conservative is racist, anyone conservative is fascist... I’ll never give you quarter. You haven’t earned it. You attack and condescend and gang up on anyone in opposition to your precious world view. You have buddies so you’re empowered. Goes with times I suppose... get out your black masks and go beat on some Trump women.
I hear that happens to people who openly support banana republic authoritarianism and internment camps in a free society.
I can bring a mask too if that's your thing.
BTW, I'm the thug. CaPF95 just systematically deconstructs completely illogical dictator dogma spewed by his strong man loving sycophants and lays it in front of them for all to see.
Music City posted:CAPackFan95 posted:It's easy to talk to others when you aren't calling everyone names and idiots and human debris.
Might want to try it
Oh **** off. You seriously think you’re approachable for “talk”? ALLS you do is run your mouth intimating that everyone conservative is racist, anyone conservative is fascist... I’ll never give you quarter. You haven’t earned it. You attack and condescend and gang up on anyone in opposition to your precious world view. You have buddies so you’re empowered. Goes with times I suppose... get out your black masks and go beat on some Trump women.
I frequent another forum's political section. It's dominated by "righty's." If you disagree with them on the slightest thing, you're automatically a commie. So don't think it 's just "lefties & liberals" that do this.
I consider myself slightly left of center. I've voted Democrat and Republican. I vote with an open mind and choose the person who I feel would do the best job.
I've said the exact same thing in the other forum and was called a commie liar repeating MSM talking points.
You want to discuss policies, Nafta immigration ect. that's fine. But don't spew the right wing Obama wasn't qualified, wasn't an American BS. You lose all credibility with me.
Music City posted:My comment on NYT and WaPo was based on a cursory Google search of “Betsy Devoss”, and the result was article after article about how horrible she is. I know a lot of things she supports are undoing Obama administration policies. I am not convinced she’s evil, or stupid, or she’s destroying anything. But I’m sure that her association with President Trump and his administration gives her almost an automatic “she’s evil” from aforementioned publications, hence my skepticism of the hatred she seems to be generating.
If I am reading this correctly, you are assuming I think the Devos appointment is bat**** crazy because I hate Trump. That would be incorrect. While I think the current president is a buffoon (primarily because of the words that come out of his mouth, like when he linked vaccines with autism), I have some reasonable expectations for a secretary of education that Devos meets none of. For example
She's never attended a public institution. None of her family attended a public institution. I'm not saying you have to have a baby to be an obstetrician, but in this case it might have helped before she complained about the system she's in charge of.
She possesses not training, or accreditation in education. I am saying it is harder to take the word of someone who has never, in any way, walked in the shoes of the profession.
Her primary quality that got her the job was donating a lot of money.
She champions tax dollars to be used for charter and parochial schools. I explained earlier why that is horse****.
I watched the entire confirmation hearing. The woman had one test to study for and failed miserably. She demonstrated a limited knowledge of they system in many ways, and in other ways, made statements that clearly would violate federal law (like her position on IDEA, a personal one for me, that states could chose how to follow federal law. Go ahead and google the exchange between DeVos and Maggie Hassan. Again, the woman had one test to study for).
In sum; not qualified other than being rich, advocates for programs research does not show work (talk about pissing away taxpayer dollars) and she's a danger to kids with disabilities by her Dunning-Kruger ignorance.
To tie a bow on it, it seems you felt I didn't like DeVos because of a washington post fetish. Not a fair assumption to make, but I get why it was made. Even more difficult to swallow is it seems you blindly accepted the appointment because Trump made it (I'm make this assumption because you were defensive and it seems you just googled DeVos today) without gathering your own information about the woman. So, I was wrong, not because of information you had, but because being opposed to something Trump does is just something wrong people do. Defending a president in this manner might be the most dangerous thing a citizen can do (doesn't matter who the president is).
Warfighters.
While the term came from the military over 10 years ago, I can't recall it ever being used in a situation such as this. And, the term really invokes a different position than what America truly needs in our role as a global leader.
Doofus.
Attachments
El-Ka-Bong posted:I was wrong, not because of information you had, but because being opposed to something Trump does is just something wrong people do. Defending a president in this manner might be the most dangerous thing a citizen can do (doesn't matter who the president is).
This is the entire crux of the cancer in our society. I kept seeing polls with absurd numbers of Republicans who believe Russia is an ally or Trump should be able to shut down news organizations or imprisoning children was okay because they asked for it.
Then I discovered an interesting point that I overlooked. Republicans are leaving that affiliation of white, militaristic, isolationist nationalism. So the numbers are skewed when using the term "Republican".
So, you know, chew on that for a bit. You're not discussing differences of opinion based in the Constitution with a Republican. That Republican doesn't exist.
It seems as if 50% of Republicans should now be called Trumpians. And when it comes to members of Congress it becomes more like 90%.
I still don't understand why "Trumpets" hasn't caught on. It works on so many levels...
El-Ka-Bong posted:I do want to be clear that the only form of aggression I wish on DeVos is being shot into the sun.
What did the sun ever do to you to deserve that?
Henry posted:BTW, I'm the thug. CaPF95 just systematically deconstructs completely illogical dictator dogma spewed by his strong man loving sycophants and lays it in front of them for all to see.
Lol... you’re not a thug. You’re a self important sanctimonious bag of wind who has no true understanding of conservatism or its principles. You justify the corruption within your world view with conspiracy theories about big bad capitalists and yawn inducing leftist talking points. Then prance around the forum with delusions of how dominant you are... the big bad self appointed Alpha Male.
You're as scary as kitty videos, tough guy. Yawn...
Henry posted:I hear that happens to people who openly support banana republic authoritarianism and internment camps in a free society.
Are you seriously proposing that under Trump the USA has or is becoming a banana republic? Trump is an authoritarian, now? Near unprecedented prosperity and less regulation now than in decades and were under authoritarian rule? Pray tell how Alex Jones...
Henry posted:This is the entire crux of the cancer in our society. I kept seeing polls with absurd numbers of Republicans who believe Russia is an ally or Trump should be able to shut down news organizations or imprisoning children was okay because they asked for it.
You don’t think the cancer lies in the violent fascism of the left? Demonstrated damned near daily, you support the squelching of conservatives through censorship and fascist shout downs in public? You don’t think it’s just a bit problematic that anyone opposed to leftist world think is abused and publicly harassed? No, the cancer is Trump supporters, most of which are not pleased with his Twitter feed or the trade policy, but happy with the majority of the administration’s policies so far. What the f ever, Cenk Uyger.
Fantasies about him destroying democracy or destroying the country... complete. Crap.
He is destroying democracy
He’s basically trying to eliminate freedom of the press. He employs his family and friends to a fault. He disregards the checks and balances of the executive branch. He doesn’t believe in the rule of law.
He wants to be an autocrat or even worse a dictator.
Somewhere in hell Saddam Hussein and Josef Stalin are smiling
El-Ka-Bong posted:If I am reading this correctly, you are assuming I think the Devos appointment is bat**** crazy because I hate Trump.
No...
Tschmack posted:He is destroying democracy
He’s basically trying to eliminate freedom of the press. He employs his family and friends to a fault. He disregards the checks and balances of the executive branch. He doesn’t believe in the rule of law.
He wants to be an autocrat or even worse a dictator.
Somewhere in hell Saddam Hussein and Josef Stalin are smiling
Oh come on... you cannot he serious. Because Sanders embarrass the grandstanding Jim Acosta? Good grief...
Now Trump is killing the first amendment because he’s taken people that are hell bent on his destruction with lies and exaggerations???
Obama takes on a bad member of the press and they start chanting his name. But it’s Trump that’s destroying democracy by not allowing a grandstand dip**** who is a complete liar dominate a press conference... 
El-Ka-Bong posted:Even more difficult to swallow is it seems you blindly accepted the appointment because Trump made it (I'm make this assumption because you were defensive and it seems you just googled DeVos today) without gathering your own information about the woman.
It was just a test- to see what I would get if I did it. Of course I knew who she was. But I’ll admit I have not done a deep dive into the changes in policies and their impact. That said, I have heard this alarmist language before... the left has a very specific history of ramping up the state of emergency rhetoric when their guy/girl isn’t in office. The world will freeze. The population will starve. The world will melt. The oceans will drown us. The end of democracy. The education system being destroyed just sounds like more of the same. I’ll defer to your perspective for now... though I don’t think your alarmist take is going to hold up upon examination.
Then a brilliant test it was.
I said she was uniquely unqualified for the position, gave reasons for that opinion. Rather than debate that opinion, I now “ramped up state of emergency rhetoric”. I’m not sure how that is alarmist... maybe (I did allude the population would starve, that was pretty much a direct quote)
Hungry5 posted:What are these other significant reasons?junior senator with almost no voting track record who was thrust forward as a candidate for other significant reasons.
Um, because he’s black. The iron was hot, and his ability to read a TelePrompTer captured the imagination of many independent voters. The Democrat Party had their work cut out for them though... Hillary had been waiting for her shot, and she wasn’t just willing to go away that easy. But they sold her on 16 years of Democrat rule, and sweetened the pot by giving her the ability to get rich off being the sos. Bill got his cash too.
The left propped PResident Obama up for 8 years using the sycophantic media who got all tingly legged while the White House Press Corps was chanting his name.
But Trump was dangerous... LOL!
I think Trumps refusal to allow Bob Mueller to do his job in peace is dangerous.
Music City posted:It was just a test- to see what I would get if I did it.
Music City posted:Of course I knew who she was.
I mean, you spelled her name wrong but sure.
MC, I think you might be racist.
"because he's black" is a very thin argument for why he won Iowa. Obama represented a change many wanted, so much so they didn't give 2 sh!ts about his skin color or experience. Similarly, Trump capitalized on a segment of the country that didn't like Obama as President because he's black, not because of his policies.
Trump is dangerous.
Idiocracy was a prophetic documentary. The ignorance in this country is growing exponentially.
MAGA. What is it that is not great about our country and to what former state do Trumpets want it to go back to? You know, the again part.
Hungry5 posted:MC, I think you might be racist.
"because he's black" is a very thin argument for why he won Iowa. Obama represented a change many wanted, so much so they didn't give 2 sh!ts about his skin color or experience. Similarly, Trump capitalized on a segment of the country that didn't like Obama as President because he's black, not because of his policies.
Trump is dangerous.
Idiocracy was a prophetic documentary. The ignorance in this country is growing exponentially.
MAGA. What is it that is not great about our country and to what former state do Trumpets want it to go back to? You know, the again part.
You can think this... but that would make you stupid. But not surprising- the commentary is right out of the leftist playbook. Yawn.
Only hate happening today is coming from the left. My ilk (as Henry put it) consist of folks who support the military, conservatism, and policies that benefit Americans of all races and creeds. Identity politics is on the left, as is the hatred. Great commentary from Drew Klavan yesterday about the violence and hatred from the left. But yeah, MAGA is racist dog whistling...
I'm picturing a bunch of women, dressed as ninjas with vagina hats, walking up to true patriots and stabbing them with rolled up philosophy degrees from a local liberal arts college all while shouting URL's from pintrest in unison.
It is terrifying
Music City posted:Henry posted:This is the entire crux of the cancer in our society. I kept seeing polls with absurd numbers of Republicans who believe Russia is an ally or Trump should be able to shut down news organizations or imprisoning children was okay because they asked for it.
You don’t think the cancer lies in the violent fascism of the left? Demonstrated damned near daily, you support the squelching of conservatives through censorship and fascist shout downs in public? You don’t think it’s just a bit problematic that anyone opposed to leftist world think is abused and publicly harassed? No, the cancer is Trump supporters, most of which are not pleased with his Twitter feed or the trade policy, but happy with the majority of the administration’s policies so far. What the f ever, Cenk Uyger.
Fantasies about him destroying democracy or destroying the country... complete. Crap.
Who is Cenk Uyger?
Very amusing to watch you and your buddies squirm when your decades long phony patriotism/tough rhetoric and overt calls to violence are no longer being met with "reach across the aisle" bull****.
It's amazing how many Republicans I have run into who feel they are without a home or at least waiting for the rabble to be cleared aside. It'll happen, there will be a restructuring of thought not only with Republicans but with Democrats.
It's like Clemenza says, "These things gotta happen to get rid of the bad blood. Leave the gun, take the cannoli".
Music City posted:Henry posted:I hear that happens to people who openly support banana republic authoritarianism and internment camps in a free society.
Are you seriously proposing that under Trump the USA has or is becoming a banana republic? Trump is an authoritarian, now? Near unprecedented prosperity and less regulation now than in decades and were under authoritarian rule? Pray tell how Alex Jones...
Mussolini made the trains run on time. Nazi capitalism drew them in from across the globe. Japanese ziabatsu were ecstatic when they heard Americans would be occupying Japan thinking the robber barons were coming. SURPRISE! New Dealers showed up with MacAurthur and forced a constitution for a free society, which the population, including the communists, went crazy for. Go ****ing figure.
What you just said is the epitome of the major underpinnings of democratic collapse along with poststructuralist thought being exploited and collapsing in on itself. Health of a democracy = my wallet. The fact you can't distinguish that reality is another clear point you are a failure as a citizen in a free society.
Don't worry, you've got a lot of company over the millenium. I'd be glad to explain why you're a failure and provide examples. Do you have a month? We could do it face to face. Flowers are still on the table.
Music City posted:You can think this... but that would make you stupid. But not surprising- the commentary is right out of the leftist playbook. Yawn.
Only hate happening today is coming from the left. My ilk (as Henry put it) consist of folks who support the military, conservatism, and policies that benefit Americans of all races and creeds. Identity politics is on the left, as is the hatred. Great commentary from Drew Klavan yesterday about the violence and hatred from the left. But yeah, MAGA is racist dog whistling...
Dog whistling? It's shouting it from the mountain tops. You should try supporting democratic ideals.
Pssst, the structure of the military isn't democratic because it shouldn't be if you want to stay alive or party with your buddies in Okinawa. You do understand the whole reasoning and functioning behind a civilian military in a free society don't you? I could add that to the list for our discussion.
You know what I find even funnier? At least half of the people responding to adorable, albeit mindnumbingly repetitive, "opinions" . . . not Democrats or liberals. WHODATHUNK?!