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Ammo:

So every time a gay person gets beat up it was done by a liberal

So ever time  there is a school shooting it is done by a liberal.
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You need to stop watching FOX news. 

I wrote MOST not EVERY, rendering your analysis 100% erroneous.  You need to brush up on your critical thinking skills.

I don't watch Fox news.

EL-KA-BONG:
For the record, Jesus was a big ole socialist.  

The revenue acquired by socialism is via compulsion.  I think most understand the revenue acquired thru Christian principles is via volition.

That is too huge a difference to conclude Christ was a socialist - imo.

phaedrus posted:

CAPACKFAN95:

And, really, for people like you, facts are irrelevant, especially facts that aren't what you want them to be, and all that matters is what you believe

It is not possible you know me sufficient to be qualified to describe me as you do.

Given you are highly intelligent, I am guessing an astonishing level of arrogance.

Writes itself.  

phaedrus posted:

EL-KA-BONG:
For the record, Jesus was a big ole socialist.  

The revenue acquired by socialism is via compulsion.  I think most understand the revenue acquired thru Christian principles is via volition.

That is too huge a difference to conclude Christ was a socialist - imo.

So I'm reeaaally interested in this definition of socialism.  Indulge me.  I love those "read a history book" comments.  WEEEEE!!!

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Henry posted: 

Mussolini made the trains run on time.  Nazi capitalism drew them in from across the globe.  Japanese ziabatsu were ecstatic when they heard Americans would be occupying Japan thinking the robber barons were coming.  SURPRISE!  New Dealers showed up with MacAurthur and forced a constitution for a free society, which the population, including the communists, went crazy for.  Go ****ing figure.     

What you just said is the epitome of the major underpinnings of democratic collapse along with poststructuralist thought being exploited and collapsing in on itself.  Health of a democracy = my wallet.  The fact you can't distinguish that reality is another clear point you are a failure as a citizen in a free society.  

I missed this beauty of a post. You think that advocating a free society- one that has stood as the greatest beacon in world history for lifting entire societies out of poverty and into prosperity- is the underpinnings of democratic collapse. Poststructuralist thought refuses to accept context or even morality as a construct for language- that no matter what I’m saying you get to interpret its meaning in a way you choose. And you’re intimating that somehow the conservative movement uses and exploits this to gain power?

You couldn’t be more wrong. No one group is more obsessed with power than the left. It’s in the writings of all its heroes. If you really want to see poststructuralism at work, look at the rhetoric of the left. Who has created a whole brand of language based on unlimited interpretations of language- we call it political correctness. There’s nothing more poststructuralist than political correctness. The left is so desperate to gather power, they seek to limit freedom itself by creating the false narrative that you are limited in your power based on your group identity. Karl Marx.  

Conservatism is squarely rooted in the principles of the Founding Fathers philosophy. Freedom and individuality is the key to society’s prosperity and the role of government, while necessary, must be limited or it will corrupt (absolutely if you will). 

Identity politics is a construct of the left whose sole purpose is to create the illusion of disenfranchisement to get the only thing of value from those very people in a democracy- their vote.

Want your proof, look at every major Democrat Party (leftist) stronghold. Chicago, Detroit, New York- what do they all have in common? The further left they go, the worse their city becomes. 

Henry posted:
phaedrus posted:

EL-KA-BONG:
For the record, Jesus was a big ole socialist.  

The revenue acquired by socialism is via compulsion.  I think most understand the revenue acquired thru Christian principles is via volition.

That is too huge a difference to conclude Christ was a socialist - imo.

So I'm reeaaally interested in this definition of socialism.  Indulge me.  I love those "read a history book" comments.  WEEEEE!!!

I shared what I believe to be a characteristic of socialism and certainly not a definition of socialism.

Entitlement programs are considered socialist, are they not?  Well, where does the money come from?  I am unfamiliar with the money coming from free will donations (in contrast with something like taxation policies).

 

Henry posted:
phaedrus posted:

CAPACKFAN95:

And, really, for people like you, facts are irrelevant, especially facts that aren't what you want them to be, and all that matters is what you believe

It is not possible you know me sufficient to be qualified to describe me as you do.

Given you are highly intelligent, I am guessing an astonishing level of arrogance.

Writes itself.  

Written from one many consider x4's Tool #1.

phaedrus posted:

That is too huge a difference to conclude Christ was a socialist - imo.

If we go with your definition that the motivation defines the designation, we proablay agree he wasn’t a free market guy either (or maybe he just hated the motivation of bankers).

i’m with Brak, I think we are getting close

phaedrus posted:
Henry posted:
phaedrus posted:

EL-KA-BONG:
For the record, Jesus was a big ole socialist.  

The revenue acquired by socialism is via compulsion.  I think most understand the revenue acquired thru Christian principles is via volition.

That is too huge a difference to conclude Christ was a socialist - imo.

So I'm reeaaally interested in this definition of socialism.  Indulge me.  I love those "read a history book" comments.  WEEEEE!!!

I shared what I believe to be a characteristic of socialism and certainly not a definition of socialism.

Entitlement programs are considered socialist, are they not?  Well, where does the money come from?  I am unfamiliar with the money coming from free will donations (in contrast with something like taxation policies).

 

Which means you don't know or choose to not acknowledge the realities outside of what fits your agenda.  Compulsion you say?  

Who wants to talk about a brief history of socialism and proto-capitalism in the pre-modern global exchange system?  I do I do!

So let's crack open those "read a history book" comments about how socialism always fails and is in direct conflict of capitalism because people are morons.  

Where shall we start?!  How about the trade fairs of Champagne in Medieval Europe?  Fairs had to be centralized in prime areas butting up against multiple regions yet the nobles facilitated not only protection to but improved what little infrastructure there was so the fairs could function and on set dates.  Because the fairs operated in such a timely fashion, financial concepts of money, debt and  even interest were able to develop under protection and set the foothold for Europe crawling out of the dark ages after the collapse of the Roman Empire.  

 So!  The nobles collected "fees" or those pesky tax things but still actively participated in the fair buying luxury items from China and India while merchants from across the continent engaged in productive commerce as well.  So they developed infrastructure, provided security and still managed to seed modern capitalism.  

Let's move onto my most favoritist example.  Venice and Mameluke Eygpt.  These guys were super crazy commusocio failures who basically mopped the floor of every other trading culture in the Mediterrenean.  Their secret?  Heavy government investment and regulation of all things trade, including military support.  Subsidized industry, along with extensive social programs motivated workers while taking the next big step in proto-capitalism.  Total idiots paying taxes to foster business and general well being in their respective cultures.  

Let's give a you a side by side comparison, Genoa.  Genoa as a Venetian rival worked on a more straight up, cut throat proto-capitalist environment with little government involvment.  As noted, they had their asses hand to them by Venice.  Mameluke Eygpt, Venice's very close friend, was a mirror of Venetian society.  Mameluke Eygpt controlled The Levant, Red Sea, all access to the East.  What a bunch of frickin' losers thinking taxes could support a healthy society along with a burgeoning proto-capitalist environnment.  What rubbish!

Soooo many examples of how proto-capitalism was birthed out of socialist nation-states and ideas.  Mongols and China, Islamic trading culture, just oodles of it.  Just a collosal waste. 

Oh that and Socialism, when you know WTF you're talking about, is the oldest, most successful form of governance on the planet.  What's even nuttier is it works hand in hand with capitalism and in many cases was the seed bed for capitalism to even exist!

But keep getting a hard on for Karl Marx and the failure that is communism, not socialism, while ignoring real history and incredibly successful modern day democratic socialist states.  

Yeah, you're all a bunch of ****ing geniuses.  

Here's a bonus for you.  Do you know what framework modern capitalism is base on?  Huh, do ya?  

Caribbean sugar plantations.  

After figuring out it's hard to have a productive level of specialized labor because of all that dying and stuff, the English started to understand that indentured servants might be a better path.  The interesting thing is this actually helped to speed the end of slavery, in England.  Not here.

Capitalism is a good thing.  Capitalism and Socialism working in tandem properly balancing each other is waaaay better.  That includes taxes for things like infrastructure and education and health care so all those super happy, healthy, smart people can actively particpate in the market!!

So maybe you stupid ****s should actually read the histories.  

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Tax shelters and tax breaks for the ultra rich are probably considered to be entitlement programs are they not?   

There’s certainly an argument to be made how useful or effective many “entitlement programs” are but that’s the beauty of America.  Many of those so called e programs were designed to serve the greater good, but may have drifted from their original intent. 

The part I’m struggling with is how some have become SO ANGRY in normal discourse with others. Sometimes it’s OK to state an opinion or a preference instead of automatically being shouted down for being “right” or “wrong”

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phaedrus posted:
Henry posted:
phaedrus posted:

CAPACKFAN95:

And, really, for people like you, facts are irrelevant, especially facts that aren't what you want them to be, and all that matters is what you believe

It is not possible you know me sufficient to be qualified to describe me as you do.

Given you are highly intelligent, I am guessing an astonishing level of arrogance.

Writes itself.  

Written from one many consider x4's Tool #1.

That's just hurtful.  I'm pretty sure it's "all" not "many".  Short change me you rhino cum drinkin' mother****er. 

Pikes Peak posted:

If entitlement programs are socialist count me in.

This can be a big one.  What happens when the program actually saves the public money?  CHIP for example.  

Music City posted:

 

Want your proof, look at every major Democrat Party (leftist) stronghold. Chicago, Detroit, New York- what do they all have in common? The further left they go, the worse their city becomes. 

100 counties with lowest per capita income in the United States. 
98/100 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

100 richest cities in America
16/100 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

10 cities with highest murder rate per capita
7/10 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

25 cities with highest increase in crime rates
16/25 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

Cities that have lots of non white people that scares underemployed, under-educated, angry white racists like Music City
Chicago, Detroit, New York

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El-Ka-Bong posted:
Pikes Peak posted:

If entitlement programs are socialist count me in.

This can be a big one.  What happens when the program actually saves the public money?  CHIP for example.  

I guess I did not make myself clear, by count me in I meant I have no problem with the so called entitlement programs. If they are falling short or have strayed from the original intent, fix them, certainly don't get rid of them.  

I fall in line with FDR and LBJ not Ayn Rand.

Music City posted:
Henry posted: 

Mussolini made the trains run on time.  Nazi capitalism drew them in from across the globe.  Japanese ziabatsu were ecstatic when they heard Americans would be occupying Japan thinking the robber barons were coming.  SURPRISE!  New Dealers showed up with MacAurthur and forced a constitution for a free society, which the population, including the communists, went crazy for.  Go ****ing figure.     

What you just said is the epitome of the major underpinnings of democratic collapse along with poststructuralist thought being exploited and collapsing in on itself.  Health of a democracy = my wallet.  The fact you can't distinguish that reality is another clear point you are a failure as a citizen in a free society.  

I missed this beauty of a post. You think that advocating a free society- one that has stood as the greatest beacon in world history for lifting entire societies out of poverty and into prosperity- is the underpinnings of democratic collapse.

I'm trying to figure out where praising strong men and calling the press "the enemy of the people" is advocating a free society.  Guess I missed that one.

Poststructuralist thought refuses to accept context or even morality as a construct for language- that no matter what I’m saying you get to interpret its meaning in a way you choose. And you’re intimating that somehow the conservative movement uses and exploits this to gain power?

Very good.  Fake News!  I don't expect you to get it. 

You couldn’t be more wrong.

No, I'm not.  I'd be glad to say it your face. 

No one group is more obsessed with power than the left. It’s in the writings of all its heroes. If you really want to see poststructuralism at work, look at the rhetoric of the left. Who has created a whole brand of language based on unlimited interpretations of language- we call it political correctness. There’s nothing more poststructuralist than political correctness. The left is so desperate to gather power, they seek to limit freedom itself by creating the false narrative that you are limited in your power based on your group identity. Karl Marx. (JENGA!)

Yep, I think political correctness sucks ass too.  Still, what was that comparison again?  Women with Ph.Ds armed with philosophy degrees vs. gun wielding murderers supported by a President who calls the press the enemy of the people while actively praising strong arm dictators while setting up internment camps?  I can totally see the comparison to you being inconvenienced from saying your favorite phrases.   What a power grab.

Don't get me wrong, that kind of language is dangerous in comparison to excessive gerrymandering and voter suppression or just running down some politically correct bitch with your car.  

Conservatism is squarely rooted in the principles of the Founding Fathers philosophy. Freedom and individuality is the key to society’s prosperity and the role of government, while necessary, must be limited or it will corrupt (absolutely if you will). 

Nothing says individuality like the military.  It's that whole citizens military thing you just can't get around.  That and actually understanding history.  I'm pretty sure Enlightenment thinkers and the Founding Fathers had a few more things to say than just "freedom" and "individuality".  Those are the concepts.  What's the framework and why is that framework being attacked on a regular basis?  Those pesky things like torture or the military complex or unchecked voter manipulation or economic disparity (check out that Adam Smith guy, what a kook) or ban the press or attack education, which is fundamental for a working republic.  That kind of crap.  

Identity politics is a construct of the left whose sole purpose is to create the illusion of disenfranchisement to get the only thing of value from those very people in a democracy- their vote.

I think Martin Luther King said that.

Want your proof, look at every major Democrat Party (leftist) stronghold. Chicago, Detroit, New York- what do they all have in common? The further left they go, the worse their city becomes. 

Detroit:  Failing because American automotive companies build things like Pintos only to be bailed out by the government for billions of dollars why they lay off their work force.  Nailed that one.

New York:  WTF are you talking about?  1970's New York?  Okay.  Today?  Dolt.

Chicago:  If only people wouldn't be desperately poor with unlimited guns.  

Now you should go check out wealth, health and education stats for the whole country and tell me why so many "red" states ****ing suck in all categories.  FREEDOM!

The beauty of it is Dems using identity politics to get votes is somehow different from the Southern Strategy how?  Oh yeah, regardless of how annoying it is there are actual issues behind it instead of "them (pick your scapegoat) want rights!  NOT ON MY WATCH!"

You can ignore "ist" and "ism".   Quit being such a pussy.

 

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CAPackFan95 posted:
Music City posted:

 

Want your proof, look at every major Democrat Party (leftist) stronghold. Chicago, Detroit, New York- what do they all have in common? The further left they go, the worse their city becomes. 

100 counties with lowest per capita income in the United States. 
98/100 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

100 richest cities in America
16/100 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

10 cities with highest murder rate per capita
7/10 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

25 cities with highest increase in crime rates
16/25 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

Cities that have lots of non white people that scares underemployed, under-educated, angry white racists like Music City
Chicago, Detroit, New York

Thanks for the data, I'm still going to believe what I want to believe, mostly because by "the worse their city become" isn't based on your fancy numbers, but by something more real, like this. #chucknorrisroll

 

Adam Smith. Good stuff.  Self interest!

But the annual revenue of every society is always precisely equal to the exchange value of the whole annual produce of its industry, or rather is precisely the same things with that exchange value. As every individual, therefore, endeavors as much as he can both to employ his capital in the support of domestic industry, and so to direct that industry that its produce may be of the greatest value; every individual necessarily labours to render the annual revenue of the society as great as he can. He generally, indeed, neither intends to promote the general public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it. By preferring the support of domestic to that of foreign industry, he intends only his own security; and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for the society that it was no part of it. By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. (485)

Oh, what's this? Collusion between businesses against the common good?  AMIRITE COMRADE! 

People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty and justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less render them necessary. (148)

Looks like he was a big fan of investment firms too. 

The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it. (287-288)

 

What a ****ing Marxist (Jenga!)

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CAPackFan95 posted:
Music City posted:

 

Want your proof, look at every major Democrat Party (leftist) stronghold. Chicago, Detroit, New York- what do they all have in common? The further left they go, the worse their city becomes. 

100 counties with lowest per capita income in the United States. 
98/100 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

100 richest cities in America
16/100 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

10 cities with highest murder rate per capita
7/10 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

25 cities with highest increase in crime rates
16/25 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

Cities that have lots of non white people that scares underemployed, under-educated, angry white racists like Music City
Chicago, Detroit, New York

Top teen birth rates by state
18/20 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states 

Top 10 sexually diseased states
8/10 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

Top 20 divorce rates by state
19/20 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states

Top 20 obesity rates by state
19/20 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states 

States ranked by Health Care
18/20 worst states from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states 

States ranked by Education
16/20 worst states from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states 

I've really been looking into this "illusion of disenfranchisement".  Proof.

Actions of the state government in Alabama have garnered the most attention recently. The state passed a photo ID law in 2011, and it went into effect soon after the Court’s decision in Shelby County v. Holder neutralized the protections of the Voting Rights Act. On September 30 of this year, Alabama announced the closing of 31 of the state’s 70 DMVs, largely in less affluent and rural areas. Many eligible voters in these areas lack driver’s licenses, and now the challenges of acquiring one are more daunting. Without a driver’s license – the preferred photo ID for voters in such states – these citizens cannot vote.

Criss Angel like illusion

“In what comes as close to a smoking gun as we are likely to see in modern times, the State’s very justification for a challenged statute hinges explicitly on race—specifically its concern that African Americans, who had overwhelmingly voted for Democrats, had too much access to the franchise,” wrote Judge Diana Gribbon Motz.

 North Carolina’s law, often described as the strictest in the nation, passed shortly after the Supreme Court struck down Section 5 the Voting Rights Act in Shelby County v. Holder. That section required states with a history of voter discrimination to “preclear” any changes to voting laws with the U.S. Department of Justice. Freed from that requirement, the General Assembly passed a slate of changes, including the photo-ID requirement. Both sides effectively agreed that these changes disproportionately affected poor, elderly, and African American voters, who were less likely to hold the required forms of photo ID, more likely to move frequently, and more likely to take advantage of early voting. These voters also vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

“In North Carolina, restriction of voting mechanisms and procedures that most heavily affect African Americans will predictably redound to the benefit of one political party and to the disadvantage of the other,” Motz wrote. “As the evidence in the record makes clear, that is what happened here.”

SCOTUS, defender of The Constitution.  Voting is so non-essential. 

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This: Capitalism is a good thing.  Capitalism and Socialism working in tandem properly balancing each other is waaaay better.  That includes taxes for things like infrastructure and education and health care so all those super happy, healthy, smart people can actively particpate in the market!!

Henry:
Which means you don't know or choose to not acknowledge the realities outside of what fits your agenda.  Compulsion you say?  
...
So maybe you stupid ****s should actually read the histories.  

Help me out here.  After all, I'm just a stupid ****.

What is my agenda and what is my compulsion?

CAPackFan95 posted:

Top teen birth rates by state
18/20 from god fearing wonderful successful conservative states 

 

That map gives new meaning to the term solid red south. The out-lier in Alaska has to be due to the Palins all by themselves. 

phaedrus posted:

Ammo:

So every time a gay person gets beat up it was done by a liberal

So ever time  there is a school shooting it is done by a liberal.
...
You need to stop watching FOX news. 

I wrote MOST not EVERY, rendering your analysis 100% erroneous.  You need to brush up on your critical thinking skills.

I don't watch Fox news.

So if I had replaced most times instead of every time would I then be right?  (Read sarcasm alert)    And you don't watch FOX News?  That kind of thinking is straight from Hannity. 

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Anyway, Henry, I also think your level of outrage is often disproportionately high.  Kind of like killing a fly with a sledgehammer instead of a fly swatter.  For me, the outrage is so high, the wrongness of whomever you are attacking (supposing the poster is wrong) is a triviality in comparison.

I mean...who cares about a kid not eating his vegetables in comparison with his getting his head bashed in for his transgression.

ammo posted:
phaedrus posted:

Ammo:

So every time a gay person gets beat up it was done by a liberal

So ever time  there is a school shooting it is done by a liberal.
...
You need to stop watching FOX news. 

I wrote MOST not EVERY, rendering your analysis 100% erroneous.  You need to brush up on your critical thinking skills.

I don't watch Fox news.

So if I had replaced most times with every time would I then be right?  (Read sarcasm alert)    And you don't watch FOX News?  That kind of thinking is straight from Hannity. 

Well, Ammo, I did not get into specifics.  The school shootings are almost all carried out by our government.  Some of the time, it's all a stage with crisis actors and no one even died (such as Sandy Hook).  Does that sound like Hannity?

As far as a gay person getting beaten up, if the event had some political bias, I think it much more likely it would be carried out by a right-leaning neanderthal whack job.

But, to be generic, yeah, I think most violence (where the perpetrator is politically passionate) is carried out by portions of the extreme left and not of the extreme right.

I retract my critical skills statement.  Unwarranted.  My guess is you were just a little careless.

phaedrus posted:

Anyway, Henry, I also think your level of outrage is often disproportionately high.  Kind of like killing a fly with a sledgehammer instead of a fly swatter.  For me, the outrage is so high, the wrongness of whomever you are attacking (supposing the poster is wrong) is a triviality in comparison.

I mean...who cares about a kid not eating his vegetables in comparison with his getting his head bashed in for his transgression.

A dead fly is a dead fly.

phaedrus posted:

  The school shootings are almost all carried out by our government.  Some of the time, it's all a stage with crisis actors and no one even died (such as Sandy Hook).  Does that sound like Hannity?

 

By far, the most outrageous thing I have ever read on TimesFour.    Even Music City has never gone this far. 

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold  (Colorado) were government agents?  Is this what you mean?

Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook)  is an actor/government agent?  Is this what you mean? 

Nikolas Cruz (Stoneman High School)  is a government agent?  Is this what you mean? 

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phaedrus posted:

Anyway, Henry, I also think your level of outrage is often disproportionately high.  Kind of like killing a fly with a sledgehammer instead of a fly swatter.  For me, the outrage is so high, the wrongness of whomever you are attacking (supposing the poster is wrong) is a triviality in comparison.

I mean...who cares about a kid not eating his vegetables in comparison with his getting his head bashed in for his transgression.

Real knowledge is dangerous.  I'll set up some safety cones for you next time.

phaedrus posted:
ammo posted:
phaedrus posted:

Ammo:

So every time a gay person gets beat up it was done by a liberal

So ever time  there is a school shooting it is done by a liberal.
...
You need to stop watching FOX news. 

I wrote MOST not EVERY, rendering your analysis 100% erroneous.  You need to brush up on your critical thinking skills.

I don't watch Fox news.

So if I had replaced most times with every time would I then be right?  (Read sarcasm alert)    And you don't watch FOX News?  That kind of thinking is straight from Hannity. 

Well, Ammo, I did not get into specifics.  The school shootings are almost all carried out by our government.  Some of the time, it's all a stage with crisis actors and no one even died (such as Sandy Hook).  Does that sound like Hannity?

As far as a gay person getting beaten up, if the event had some political bias, I think it much more likely it would be carried out by a right-leaning neanderthal whack job.

But, to be generic, yeah, I think most violence (where the perpetrator is politically passionate) is carried out by portions of the extreme left and not of the extreme right.

I retract my critical skills statement.  Unwarranted.  My guess is you were just a little careless.

I really, really need an explanation of the bolded text....please, please tell me you were using sarcasm, or something.....please?

ammo posted:
phaedrus posted:

  The school shootings are almost all carried out by our government.  Some of the time, it's all a stage with crisis actors and no one even died (such as Sandy Hook).  Does that sound like Hannity?

 

By far, the most outrageous thing I have ever read on TimesFour.    Even Music City has never gone this far. 

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold  (Colorado) were government agents?  Is this what you mean?

Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook)  is an actor/government agent?  Is this what you mean? 

Nikolas Cruz (Stoneman High School)  is a government agent?  Is this what you mean? 

I fully realized a complete loss of credibility here.

You weren't there.  I wasn't there.  You would need to be able to examine alternative sources of information.

Anyway, I invite you to watch just a single alternative example (I just did a quick internet search).  It's on the Boston Marathon bombing.  The host, David McGowan analyzes hundreds of photos.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vnkButpq2Wza/

I like this one for a couple reasons.  It's a slam dunk.  But, so also, I see it as a tribute to McGowan who I believe was murdered with a fast acting cancer.

As to outrageous, I think BK had that one locked up when he stated that Penn State of a couple years ago were a bunch of pedophiles.

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