Let's Talk Cowboys (Divisional Playoff Game 1/15/17)

WolfPack posted:

YATittle posted:

On another thread, they talked about why Dak fell to the fourth round--get him out of the pocket, 

well, to do that weve got to get through their massive OL. We had little pressure on Manning and Stafford. I think Dom can gamble with extra blitzers with Dak.

 

Disagree.  We didn't have high sack numbers but his pocket was very rarely comfortable - it got pushed a lot.  He started peeking at rushers later in the game.  That is dead giveaway he was worried about the pressure.

How is Joe thomas' back doing? McGinn's analysis said he was definitely affected by the injury.

Sounds like Blake won't be able to move laterally very well, so that will be a hole that DalASS will try to exploit.  

FLPACKER posted:

Grave Digger posted:

SNIP

They ran 75 plays against Dallas the first time and over half of those plays were in Dallas territory. They can move the ball against this D, they just have to not turn the ball over 4 times. Rodgers only had 7 INTs on the year, that was Jordy's only fumble, and Monty only had 1 other fumble the rest of the year. Rodgers had several fumbles, but that was just kind of fluke fumble while running the ball. All of those errors were flukes really, Dallas won't be able to generate those kinds of turnovers from the current team. 

When I went back & looked at stats from first game  I was surprised to find that we ran more plays than they did. 

Isn't that a trademark of Lovie Smith/Rod Marinelli defenses though?  Don't give up anything deep, make you work down the field, hopefully you make a mistake.  That means lots of plays from the O.

I was surprised at how Dallas' D challenged the Packers O.  I think it will be much different this time and the O will have success.

I just don't see the defense slowing down Dallas too much and it may come down to generating a turnover to make the difference.  The DL/OLBs didn't get much pass rush against a suspect Giant OL.  Don't see how that will change with Dallas's elite OL.  They do have weak spots with Free and Leary though.  If the Wizard goes with a base 3-4, the Pack will have had so few reps in that D that I'm not sure how effective they will be.  Ryan needs to have another great game.

No one (who knows) has said diddily-twat about injured/hobbled players so McGinn saying JT's back affected his play, or someone saying Blake's lateral movement will be limited is just guessing.

50k Club posted:

Isn't that a trademark of Lovie Smith/Rod Marinelli defenses though?  Don't give up anything deep, make you work down the field, hopefully you make a mistake.  That means lots of plays from the O.

I was surprised at how Dallas' D challenged the Packers O.  I think it will be much different this time and the O will have success.

I just don't see the defense slowing down Dallas too much and it may come down to generating a turnover to make the difference.  The DL/OLBs didn't get much pass rush against a suspect Giant OL.  Don't see how that will change with Dallas's elite OL.  They do have weak spots with Free and Leary though.  If the Wizard goes with a base 3-4, the Pack will have had so few reps in that D that I'm not sure how effective they will be.  Ryan needs to have another great game.

Sack numbers were low but when Eli wasn't getting the ball out quickly he had constant pressure.  His head was on a swivel as the game wore on.  I don't know what to suggest vs. DAL OL.  I guess they're not great in pass pro so gotta stop EE or get an early enough lead to take then out of their run game.

I have no doubt that Jason Witten will be miraculously wide open on at least one critical 3rd down.

They baited Prescott into a couple mistakes (first INT of the season), they can do it again. They did the same to Manning and Stafford, they just didn't capitalize on those mistakes. Gotta finish to win in the playoffs, dropped INTs or unrecovered fumbles by the D just won't cut it front here on out. 

FLPACKER posted:

What is strange is that even with gaining 191 yards on the ground vs. us, we still ran 6 more plays than they did! If we can hold them to 23 pts or lower we win this game & may still even do so giving up 30. 

Wow, really? I wonder what they had for yards per carry.

So, Geronimo can't face league suspension before his court date, correct?

Shaking my head AT Geronimo. 

Turn Dez into Odell. A couple of knocked away passes or drops by Dez, it gets into his head and he will be done. Maybe even get a couple of 15 yard unsportsmanlike calls. 

Allison faces marijuana charges

C'mon, man.  The Green Bay Packers gives the kid an opportunity to be an NFL player, and this is how he acts?  I get the pro-legalization argument re marijuana  and I support it.  But the kid knew the rules.  Why risk an NFL career for a little smoke?  

Also, how do we expect the NFL to handle this?  Let is play out?  Drug test him? Suspend him during the playoff run?  

Lambeau Lobo posted:

Allison faces marijuana charges

C'mon, man.  The Green Bay Packers gives the kid an opportunity to be an NFL player, and this is how he acts?  I get the pro-legalization argument re marijuana  and I support it.  But the kid knew the rules.  Why risk an NFL career for a little smoke?  

Also, how do we expect the NFL to handle this?  Let is play out?  Drug test him? Suspend him during the playoff run?  

From the story  "The NFL does not take action on substance-abuse charges until after the court case is resolved. If Allison were to be convicted, he could face discipline under the league's substance-abuse policy."

 This case will be continued until the Packers season is over, whenever that is.

Smoke em if you have them...

Don't worry,  a good lawyer will get things delayed until the playoffs are over.  That way the NFL can do nothing except test him. If he comes up positive, he doesn't deserve to be a Packer. 

Puff puff pass - or not in his case 

If he comes up positive, he doesn't deserve to be a Packer. 

He should just drink heavily like the Lombardi-era Packers.

Bring back Johnny Jolly to replace Pennel

Raji!!!!

Marijuana possession from back in Sep? Whole lotta nothing.

Promoted to active roster Oct 24th and then busted with weed on Dec 15th.   Not the sharpest tool in the shed. 

Edit - Charges were not filled until Dec.   Busted in Sep.   Maybe I'm the dull one  

Legalize it already!!!!!!  Whole lotta nothin' as previously posted.  

What ever happened to Sep, anyway?

BrainDed posted:

Promoted to active roster Oct 24th and then busted with weed on Dec 15th.   Not the sharpest tool in the shed. 

It says charges were filed in December for the arrest in September. Looks like he just got in trouble the one time. Hopefully he gets it resolved later this month so he isn't suspended for the SB!

Just saw my error GD.  

Still, I get that these guys are barely adults but I just can't imagine risking NFL money for smoking weed.    If the rule was you can't eat after midnight, I wouldn't eat after midnight.   I don't care if I agree with it or not, it's the rule of my employer who is going to pay me insane amount of money.

He was probably covering for TT.  

Goalline posted:

FreeSafety posted:

He doesn't need more time.

He needs to hit the open receiver on time as the plays are designed. When he did that in the second half last Sunday the offense worked quite well.

Exactly! No surprise that the offense took off when ARod was hurt and couldn't scramble as much.

I'd venture to say the quick throws helped pull him out of his slump.  Then it looked like he started cherry picking again as far as hanging onto the ball and waiting for better targets.  

It's tough nitpicking a first ballet HOF'er, but Free Safety is right.  It hasn't hurt any outcomes recently (because he can make difficult throws too), but sometimes AR needs to pull the trigger more quickly. He's increasing his chances of getting hurt or getting strip-sacked when he doesn't.

He was busted the day after he got cut.  Packers signed him to the practice squad the next day, although I am guessing they may not have known about the incident.

I hope they knew and didn't care.  They shouldn't.  A little bit of weed shouldn't affect him too much.  He'll probably have to enter the league's SAP and shouldn't miss much time, if any.  

Goldie's right, Wisconsin needs to get with the program.  The day is coming nation wide.  Let the Bible Belters pretend it's a big deal. Everyone else knows better.  

NFL needs to update too.  Bronco player has it in his car, nothing happens at all, but in Wisco you get headlines and potential suspension?  That isn't right.

Goalline posted:

FLPACKER posted:

What is strange is that even with gaining 191 yards on the ground vs. us, we still ran 6 more plays than they did! If we can hold them to 23 pts or lower we win this game & may still even do so giving up 30. 

Wow, really? I wonder what they had for yards per carry.

5.6  yards per carry. We had our chances. we were down 10-6 with one minute left in the first half, with us getting the second half kickoff & then this happened, which IMHO, was the game;

                                                                                                                                             Dallas Cowboys at 1:00 1-10-DAL 3 (1:00)

 E.Elliott right guard to DAL 7 for 4 yards (D.Jones). Timeout #1 by GB at 00:57.  

 2-6-DAL 7 (:57) E.Elliott right guard to DAL 12 for 5 yards (M.Burnett, J.Ryan). Timeout #2 by GB at 00:45.                                                                                                  3-1-DAL 12 (:45) L.Whitehead left end pushed ob at DAL 38 for 26 yards (H.Clinton-Dix).                                                                                                                    1-10-DAL 38 (:40) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass deep right to T.Williams ran ob at GB 20 for 42 yards (M.Hyde).                                                                                                  1-10-GB 20 (:31) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Prescott pass deep right to B.Butler for 20 yards, TOUCHDOWN.    D.Bailey extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-C.Jones. DAL 17 GB 6, 5 plays, 97 yards, 0:33 drive,

I don't feel as confident about this game as I did the Giants.  I'm not worried about the Packers offense.  They dominated a very very good Giants defense and will do the same to a pretty weak Cowboys defense.  

On defense though, Packers secondary won't have the luxury of two safeties playing the pass.  Against the Giants, our front 7 was going to be fine.  Jennings and Perkins plus their awful o-line wasn't going to be a problem.  The Cowboys?  I'm not sure we can stop their run game without putting 8 in the box which then opens up their passing game.  So unlike OBJ, we won't be able to double cover Dez Bryant when things get tough.  Defense is going to have to play really well. 

I figure it'll be a high scoring game, with both teams in the 30's.  Defense needs to create a few turnovers and offense needs to play mistake free.  And of course, Rodgers needs to play like he has been the last 7 weeks, ie: the best QB ever. 

So how did NY whip some Dallas ass twice this year? It's all how teams match up. But there is something there that Spagnuolo figured out. 

And we can only hope Dom figures it out too. 

FLPACKER posted:

Goalline posted:

FLPACKER posted:

What is strange is that even with gaining 191 yards on the ground vs. us, we still ran 6 more plays than they did! If we can hold them to 23 pts or lower we win this game & may still even do so giving up 30. 

Wow, really? I wonder what they had for yards per carry.

5.6  yards per carry. We had our chances. we were down 10-6 with one minute left in the first half, with us getting the second half kickoff & then this happened, which IMHO, was the game;

 

     

Hmm, turnovers or kick returns? This is really weird?

Dr._Bob posted:

He was probably covering for TT.  

TT does have his medical Mary Jane card though.

It's a misdemeanor....same as a speeding ticket. 

Moving along

A Vikings fan, a Lions fan, and a Bears fan walk into a bar....

To watch the playoffs!

There are certain areas on I43 that you slow down.

Lambeau Lobo posted:

Allison faces marijuana charges

C'mon, man.  The Green Bay Packers gives the kid an opportunity to be an NFL player, and this is how he acts?  I get the pro-legalization argument re marijuana  and I support it.  But the kid knew the rules.  Why risk an NFL career for a little smoke?  

Also, how do we expect the NFL to handle this?  Let is play out?  Drug test him? Suspend him during the playoff run?  

If I was a betting person I think the NFL will let it play out until after the Packers season is done and suspend him for whatever amount of games at the start of next year.  I am also pro legalization but if your employer says you cant do it well you don't do it. 

Go read the obit for Rashaan Salaam

http://www.usatoday.com/story/...nner-death/95739900/

Excerpt: 

Perhaps the worst thing people can say about Salaam is that he struggled with marijuana abuse in his 20s. It was no secret, because he gave an interview about it to ESPN in 1999. He described being depressed and told ESPN then that it became a problem for him after injuries forced him off the football field.

"I wasn't going to practice or anything like that, so I pretty much spent my time sitting around getting high, and that's when I knew I had to let it go,” he said in the interview.

He thought he was helping himself by coming clean and starting over. Instead, he felt it backfired. He got labeled for it, and people joked about it. Salaam didn’t think it was funny. To him, it was a serious problem for which he got professional help.

“I think after that, the media, that’s what they saw Rashaan as,” said T.J. Cunningham, a friend and teammate of Salaam's at Colorado. “Even though it was one little thing to somebody (else), it was a big thing to him. He was vilified for that. … He wasn’t an addict. He was a good person.”

Salaam dives for a touchdown in the 1994 "Miracle in Michigan" game that the Buffaloes won with a Hail Mary pass on the final play.
(Photo: Werner Slocum, AP)

 

 

Salaam regretted the interview much like he regretted smoking that much pot during his NFL career.

But it was injuries that shortened his career, not pot. After his stellar rookie year in ’95, Salaam missed four games in 1996 with knee and hamstring injuries. In the third game of the 1997 season, he fumbled twice and broke his right leg, a snap that essentially ended his career at 23. He carried the ball in an NFL game only one more time — two years later, for 2 yards, for the Cleveland Browns.

"It was hard," he told ESPN in that 1999 interview. "It was embarrassing. My pride was shot. It was just a nightmare to be 23 years old and out of football. I couldn't believe what was going on."