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@Henry posted:

You mean Belichek's texts before he had the interview?

Yes.

You tall stack of pusscakes keep deluding yourselves because you're uncomfortable.

It's pretty fucking laughable when all of sudden all of you upright citizens become defenders of the NFL when you couldn't get enough of trashing it before.

All facts are not in evidence. But if you feel being the prosecutor, judge, and jury is justice, enjoy the delusion.

I'm defending the rule of law, something you may want to acquaint yourself with.

@Chongo posted:

Flores is rolling the dice that this will open the floodgates and spur a lot of similar stories and reactions from people.

Thus far Hue Jackson is the only one to come close to corroborating anything, and his reputation isn't exactly stellar around the league.

Saying money was involved, and if factual and they received money, and they didn't report it as income makes it an IRS matter.

@D J posted:

All facts are not in evidence. But if you feel being the prosecutor, judge, and jury is justice, enjoy the delusion.

I'm defending the rule of law, something you may want to acquaint yourself with.

I can most assuredly tell you your campaign to "defend the rule of law" is bullshit.  Because as we know initial speculation on a BB rings the loudest in the halls of justice.  Christ.

Have the texts been disputed by Belichek?  Elway was quicker to try and refute being hung over.

Save your disingenuous indignity over a premise you'd flip on in a second if it didn't support your position.

Tiresome.  You argue the same way every time you smurf here.

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@D J posted:

Saying money was involved, and if factual and they received money, and they didn't report it as income makes it an IRS matter.

Why the leap to tax fraud when there has never been a claim Flores or Jackson took money?  Rhetorical.

Hue Jackson accuses Cleveland Browns of incentivizing losing during 2016, '17 football seasons

Jackson said that bonus money was available if certain measurables were met such as aggregate rankings, being the youngest team and having so many draft picks.

"Teams that win are just not the youngest team, not that the youngest teams can't win, so I didn't understand the process," Jackson told ESPN. "I didn't understand what the plan was, I asked for clarity because it did not talk about winning and losing until Year 3 and 4. So that told you right there that something wasn't correct but I still couldn't understand it until I had the team that I had."

Jackson said he told Browns owner Jimmy Haslam that he wasn't interested in bonus money and instead wanted that money used to improve the team.

"And I remember very candidly saying to Jimmy, 'I'm not interested in bonus money,' because I've never known that to be a bonus. I was interested in taking whatever that money was and putting it toward getting more players on our football team because I didn't think we were very talented at all," Jackson told ESPN. "I know what good football teams look like, play like, what they act like and we didn't have a lot of talented players on the team at that time."

@Henry posted:

Why the leap to tax fraud when there has never been a claim Flores or Jackson took money?  Rhetorical.

Hue Jackson accuses Cleveland Browns of incentivizing losing during 2016, '17 football seasons

Jackson said that bonus money was available if certain measurables were met such as aggregate rankings, being the youngest team and having so many draft picks.

"Teams that win are just not the youngest team, not that the youngest teams can't win, so I didn't understand the process," Jackson told ESPN. "I didn't understand what the plan was, I asked for clarity because it did not talk about winning and losing until Year 3 and 4. So that told you right there that something wasn't correct but I still couldn't understand it until I had the team that I had."

Jackson said he told Browns owner Jimmy Haslam that he wasn't interested in bonus money and instead wanted that money used to improve the team.

"And I remember very candidly saying to Jimmy, 'I'm not interested in bonus money,' because I've never known that to be a bonus. I was interested in taking whatever that money was and putting it toward getting more players on our football team because I didn't think we were very talented at all," Jackson told ESPN. "I know what good football teams look like, play like, what they act like and we didn't have a lot of talented players on the team at that time."

Hue opened his mouth and thus opened a door.

@Henry posted:

I can most assuredly tell you your campaign to "defend the rule of law" is bullshit.  Because as we know initial speculation on a BB rings the loudest in the halls of justice.  Christ.

Have the texts been disputed by Belichek?  Elway was quicker to try and refute being hung over.

Save your disingenuous indignity over a premise you'd flip on in a second if it didn't support your position.

Tiresome.  You argue the same way every time you smurf here.

Belichick doesn't have to dispute anything at this time.

Elway was free to defend himself against scurrilous remarks.

Tiresome how Stalinist you are if something fits your predetermined mindset.

@ammo posted:

And you walked right in with no proof of anything.

I never claimed proof. I said:

"Saying money was involved, and if factual and they received money, and they didn't report it as income makes it an IRS matter."

Big mouths have now put a possible target on theirs and on others' backs.

It didn't take Doug Pederson long to find a new job.

After being fired by the Philadelphia Eagles last offseason, the 54-year-old agreed to become the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars on Thursday, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Pederson had a 42-37-1 record in five seasons with the Eagles, reaching the postseason three times. Philadelphia won the only Super Bowl title in its history under his watch.

But his tenure came to a head in 2020 after a 4-11-1 season. His relationship with quarterback Carson Wentz seemingly soured after he benched him in favor of Jalen Hurts down the stretch, though the decision was also justified given Wentz's poor play.


Andrew Brandt
On a more serious note, have known Doug Pederson for over 20 years, since we were negotiating his contract every year (always one-year deals, no agent). He was a joy to have at the Packers and always a calming influence on Brett. Jags got a good one. Good coach, better guy.

Andrew Brandt
Doug Pederson story: every year (pre-Aaron) I would try to find a veteran backup QB. Most said no due to no chance to ever play, as Brett Favre never missed a snap. So I'd end up calling Doug, and he'd say: "OK Andrew, how many QBs you call before me this time?" Usually 3 or 4.
@Henry posted:

I can most assuredly tell you your campaign to "defend the rule of law" is bullshit.  Because as we know initial speculation on a BB rings the loudest in the halls of justice.  Christ.

Have the texts been disputed by Belichek?  Elway was quicker to try and refute being hung over.

Save your disingenuous indignity over a premise you'd flip on in a second if it didn't support your position.

Tiresome.  You argue the same way every time you smurf here.

I agree with the Giants in the fact that the BB texts really prove nothing. Who knows who BB talked to, what they said, how BB interpreted it, etc. I've always thought that BB was "on the spectrum", which lends itself to a very black / white interpretation of information. Could be that guys who called him about Daboll said something to the effect "he's the front runner" or "I've always wanted to hire him" and BB went right to "you have the job". Doesn't necessarily mean that it was a done deal.

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