Offensive line in 2014

WTF has Tretter done to deserve all this ball washing?  God damn.  EDS was above average this year, IMO.  One of the best 15 centers in the league.  Somebody prove me wrong.

 

Jesus ****.

Tretter is smart.  What else do you need to hear?

Sorry, I misspelled ****

If EDS is so good why wasn't he signed to an extension?  Money is there and the Packers love a good value.  They know what's there and it's up and down.    

****q.

 

 

Get the **** over it.  EDS is average.  Revel in the mediocre.  

 

Tretter is on the radar.  I would have loved Schwenke but he got nabbed.  

 

"EDS is average" shouldn't be high praise but it is.  

 

Do not question the legend.

 

 

 

I think, at worst, he'll be like Matt Birk.

 

And a better athlete with better size and all the other tangible aspects you want in a center.

 

Yayy!!  I won the Tyrone Davis participation award 4 years running!

 

Who?

The genius. The everyman's All-American. Doubt him now, but you'll be among the first eating his cereal next year.

 

 

(These days, I am a Tretter fan first)

wow, the way people piss and moan about AJ Hawk EDS is embarrassing. 

Can't wait to see Campen develop Van Roten for half a decade.

Brak's post was better

 

I have no shame.

I'm going out in public to ridicule people and their development.  

 

 

 

 

...or argument.  

Here's Ted's O-line draft picks from the third round or later:

 

2005

Junius Coston (5th)

Will Whiitticker (7th)

 

2006

Jason Spitz (3rd)

Tony Moll (7th)

 

2007

Allen Barbre (4th)

 

2008

Josh Sitton (4th)

Breno Giacomini (5th)

 

2009

TJ Lang (4th)

Jamon Meredith (5th)

 

2010

Newhouse (5th)

 

2011

Caleb Schlauderaff (6th)

 

2012

Andrew Datko (7th)

 

2013

David Bakhtiari (4th)

JC Tretter (4th)

 

 

 

 

Definitely a crap shoot.

I don't get this Treeter vs EDS argument.  The Best answer is EDS and Treeter and perhaps a letter round rockie. EDS will not cost a bunch to resign.

IF all of our guys can stay healthy, I expect a helluva lot more than what we've seen out of the O-line since TT has been here. The talent should be there.

I'm confident between Sherrod, Daktari, and Bulaga, we should have a very good LT; the 'loser' goes to RT, and hind tit backs up either position.

The only change in the interior should be at C, and I don't care who plays there. If EDS beats out Tretter so be it, but if he doesn't, I hope he stays as backup, assuming we don't draft at that position.

With a healthy Bulaga and Sherrod all I am hoping for is goodbye Newhouse.  I too have hope that Tretter is an upgrade at C but that is anyone's guess at this point.  I think it is a fair point that if the Pack really believed in EDS he would have been extended in season.

 

My preference would be Bak, Sitton, Tretter, Lang, Bulaga with Sherrod, Barclay and EDS as your depth augmented with a draft pick or two. 

 

In the grand scheme I think OLine issues is a low priority versus fixing the holes on the D.

 

 

 

It's nota big secret that a great RB can make an OL better. It's been arch he core of the arguments on this forum the last several years- that the team needs a real RB- many argued against that stating the OL needs to be better. We'll, this year proves the importance if the guy with the ball. Best season in a decade.

But any improvement on this OL will come from within, no doubt. They're going to invest heavily in the defense I think. No room for any new blood, so whether it's EDS or Lang or Tretter, the best 5 will start. With Bulaga coming back, I expect improvement. The battles should be pretty good, and there should be pretty solid depth. All positives, IMO...

Just to nitpick.  Everyone after 2006 is on an NFL roster except Andrew Datko.  Giacomini and Meredith started many games this year.  Caleb Schlauderaff played 6 games this year.  There was good talent, just not necessarily starting talent and some took longer to develop.

 

Just needed a coach that can actually develop players.

Who developed Bak, Sitton, Lang, EDS, Barclay and Bulaga?

You don't recall very well.  I've only posted this a million times.

 

TT drafted guys that played oline consistently through college at a solid level after failing with so many tweeners/ZBS candidates in the early years of his tenure.  When any player like a tweener/project comes along (Barbre, Giadumbmutt, Moll, etc) it's flame out time.  Ever wonder why the ZBS was so totally inconsistent?  Of course not.  TT changed up his oline drafting criteria even before MM would give up on that horse**** ZBS, which is another testament to MM hanging onto certain aspects/coaches too long.

 

Newhouse has actually regressed on this team.  

 

I truly believe the current starters on this team would be a solid line instead of a average line with a better coach.  You don't see further development with this group.  The best you get is relative consistency with a unit working together over a period of time.   

 

I'm sure Campen blows the whistle real well and oversees the drills with mediocre tenacity.

 

 

This completely leaves out MM revamping the run game overall as well as the addition of Lacy.  Pesky details.

My apologies, everybody. In reading through the bios of all the linemen yesterday morning, I got Sherrod's college days confused with Bulaga's. I could swear that I read something that Sherrod was a left guard in college, but it appears I was wrong. Bulaga started at left guard, then was moved to tackle in his (iirc) sophomore year at Iowa. Sherrod was a tackle throughout. 

 

As for Tretter, he's a project. He's not played center, but per the JS, was showing the skills necessary to at least warrant consideration at the spot. He might develop while EDS holds down the fort, unless we sign somebody in FA that can boot EDS out.

 

I think a line with a healthy Bulaga, and any healthy contribution from Sherrod, will be very good this year. Here's hoping that BB at least escapes family night without an injury. Talk about taking the wind out of the sails. To lose one of our key contributors before camp has started in earnest really hurt.

This completely leaves out MM revamping the run game overall as well as the addition of Lacy.  Pesky details.

       

I guess I don't understand your point- in the post you quoted of mine, I am specifically pointing out how a better RB (Lacy) makes the OL better (which is a point I have been making for a long time on this forum).

I also don't really know what "revamping" of the run game has been done. ZBS? I still see the Packers run ZBS concepts. The way I see it, it's a lot like teams that run "The Tampa 2"- teams run everything. Every team runs a Tampa 2 over the course of a given game. Tampa 2 teams run cover 1 all the time.

The run game to me at least left fewer yards on the field than in the past. Better OL play has also contributed. We don't know how that would have looked with 12 at QB, so this coming season will be interesting to watch in that regard.

Run blocking was great mostly, pass pro sucked mostly...especially against good DL.

 

Watching the Carolina/Whiners game, they gave Cam the Scam all day to pass...there were a few sacks that a better QB would have avoided by throwing it away.

 

When put up against the top DL, no Packer QB had much time to pass. I don't know if that's Campen's fault, or the fact he had a rookie LT, or that Marshmallow Newhouse was in for many of those reps...

 

But clearly, something needs to be fixed.

not sure it was great.  Seems to me I remember Lacy being hit behind the LOS a lot.  I guess where Lacy ranks in yards after contact might reinforce that. 

quote:

But clearly, something needs to be fixed.

Campen coud be fixed with a couple of snips.

This.

Look at C and LT, the most important positions on the o-line, and who started there the NFC playoffs:

 

Carolina: Ryan Kalil and Jordan Gross (both studs)

San Fran: Jonathan Goodwin and Joe Staley (Goodwin plucked from New Orleans because...)

New Orleans: Brian DeLa Puenta and Terron Armstead (DeLa Puenta was a very good prospect and Armstead is an amazing athlete forced to start in playoffs due to injury after their very good starting LT from last year was given large dollars by da Bears in FA) 

Seattle: Max Unger and Russell Okung (studs, though Okung has had a few injury issues)

 

Even Philadelphia: Jason Kelce and Jason Peters (with Lane Johnson in the wings)

 

EDS doesn't compare very well to any of them, and Bakhtiari was less-regarded than Armstead (though both are kind of asterisked due to the injury situation forcing raw rookies in to the lineup)

 

From theg McGinn piece:

       
       

There were games where Lacy had to grind it out, sure... But there were also plenty of games where the RB (not just Lacy) was gouging the D. That's good blocking. Ypc is an indicator of that. Remember a stretch if games where 3 different guys ran for over 100 yards in consecutive games?

I think it was a lot of improved RB play, but the OL also improved some too. Maybe the OL was also better before- just didn't the right guy carrying the rock. I think is the case too...

who does the yards after contact stat, I can't find it?

We need the yards after contact and then subtract those yards from the total yards to get the yards before contact, then divide that by the number of carries to find the average yards before contact and compare that stat to other top RBs around the NFL.

 

How far does your RB typically get before being hit?

 

I'd guess the Packers OLine would not look great when comparing that stat.

Never fear, she's on her way with her Logan Mankins visual aid!

 

The Packers 2013 OL was better than the 2012 version. With Bulaga back and Bakhtiari another year smarter you'd think the 2014 OL will be better than the 2013 line.

 

Eddie Lacy is a beast and got a lot of yards after contact, probably more than any other back in the league. Do we really need algebra to prove it?