My guess is it's Tennessee trying to drive the price of the pick up and Cleveland is not offering the farm for Mariota.
It also seems that the long-term members of the Ron Wolf GM tree don't spend first-round picks on high-flame-out positions like WR and short-lived RBs, instead staying relatively "safe" with guys like offensive tackles.
Only question regarding that entire scenario is this. If a 3 way back door deal like this was agreed on what would Cleveland's recourse be if Tampa screwed the apple cart and took Marcus 1 overall? Cleveland calling Chip saying, "I know it's Jameis but we still have a deal, right???"
Are these teams talking with Tampa as well to make sure everyone is on the same page?
I wouldn't trust talking to Tampa. Who knows what last minute offer comes in. Any trade should not be finalized until one of the trade partners is on the clock.
Yes, & it's worded as an "agreement in principle" The deal isn't final until the Titans are on the clock & the player being drafted/traded for is available
Let's be honest. The draft is infinitely more enjoyable because of all the clown shows running front offices.
If every front office had Ozzie, Ted, Schneider type guys the draft would be held on a Tuesday night as soon as the combine wrapped up. No drama. No leaked info. No potential for franchise crippling trades.
Just 7 rounds of drafting in a little over 3 hours and that would be that.
The Twin Cities radio stations are promoting the notion that Rick Spielman is the "most exciting GM in the NFL".
Well, he is. The way he trades like a mad man throwing away all those draft picks, and the way his teams really suck. It excites me greatly.
I think we'll try Al's Beef. Probably Portillos too
FWIW, Mrs. Coach who grew up in Hoffman Estates endorses Giordano's for deep dish pizza. Her best friend from high school who still lives up there swears by Portillo's.
I think we'll try Al's Beef. Probably Portillos too
FWIW, Mrs. Coach who grew up in Hoffman Estates endorses Giordano's for deep dish pizza. Her best friend from high school who still lives up there swears by Portillo's.
FIBS.....
Cool. Thanks Coach....I'm sure we'll have way more stuff to do than time to do it but it'll be fun trying to fit it all in
Have never understood the passion for Portillo's and I have been living here for 28 years. Average food at best. Many better hot dog joints and the local deli has far better Italian beef along with better prices.
I have my finalized mock (with trades) signed, sealed and delivered to Steve. Depending on the sobriety of our postal service, he should have it in hand for the first pick.
Hoping to beat my record from last year of calling 22 of the second round picks correctly.
Hmmm.
According to a report from NFL insider Jason La Canfora, the Eagles are shopping inside linebacker Mychal Kendricks for a second round draft pick.
"Eagles are shopping LB Mychal Kendricks. Seeking a 2nd round pick in return. Teams are balking at that price but something could happen."
This news doesn't exactly come as a surprise...
Kendricks trade speculation first emerged when the team announced a contract extension for veteran linebacker DeMeco Ryans. With Ryans set to return despite coming off an Achilles injury, the Eagles have a logjam at linebacker since Kiko Alonso was also acquired this offseason.
The Eagles drafted Kendricks in the second round of the 2012 NFL Draft. He's played quite well for Philadelphia despite some injury issues. It doesn't make sense that the team is willing to get rid of him, but it seems clear they want to move on.
http://www.bleedinggreennation...er-second-round-pick
Other than running against Ted's MO, why wouldn't this be a good move for the Packers?
EDIT: After thinking about it for a few minutes, only real downside I can see is the amount of coin the Packers already have invested in the LB position. Mychal want to get paid. But still.
Mychal Kendricks would be the best ILB in this draft. If Ted could get him for his second rounder knowing what he knows about his NFL numbers Id think he'd make that deal in 2 seconds.
WTF is Chip Kelly up to?!?!?!?
Maybe he hasn't bought into Chip's system. Chip's way or the highway with Ponch and John (CHiPs)
No more than a 3rd, preferably a 4th. He'll need a big extension so not worth a 2nd - need that young and cheap talent. Plus, this draft is supposed to be very deep in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
I really think Chip Kelly is going to bomb. Even if he did bring in the right players (which i don't believe he did), you can't have this kind of turnover and be successful. Only reason they might crack .500 this year is because they're playing the NFC South.
If you can get Kendricks for a second rounder you make that deal right damn now. He's in the last year of his rookie deal. $890k. Let him play that year out then make a decision on Peppers.
Clay, Peppers, Kendricks. **** would that be magical.
I dont think the 2nd round asking price is entirely accurate.
I'll give it a shot:
1. Jameis Winston/QB/Florida State
2. Marcus Mariota/QB/Oregon
3. Leonard Williams/DT/Southern California
4. Amari Cooper/WR/Alabama
5. Dante Fowler Jr./OLB/Florida
6. Kevin White/WR/West Virginia
7. Brandon Scherff/OT/Iowa
8. Todd Gurley/RB/Georgia
9. Trae Waynes/CB/Michigan State
10. Andrus Peat/OT/Stanford
11. DeVante Parker/WR/Louisville
12. Malcom Brown/DT/Texas
13. D.J. Humphries/OT/Florida
14. Alvin Dupree/OLB/Kentucky
15. Arik Armstead/DE/Oregon
16. Vic Beasley/DE/Clemson
17. Shane Ray/OLB/Missouri
18. Danny Shelton/DT/Washington
19. Melvin Gordon/RB/Wisconsin
20. Randy Gregory/DE/Nebraska
21. Ereck Flowers/OT/Miami, Fl
22. Kevin Johnson/WR/Wake Forest
23. Landon Collins/S/Alabama
24. Eddie Goldman/DT/Florida State
25. Eli Harold/OLB/Virginia
26. Byron Jones/CB/Connecticut
27. Nelson Agholor/WR/Southern California
28. Breshad Perriman/WR/Central Florida
29. Marcus Peters/CB/Washington
30. Eric Kendricks/ILB/UCLA
31. La'el Collins/OG/Louisiana State
32. Jalen Collins/CB/Louisiana State
33. Owamagbe Odighizuwa/OLB/UCLA
34. Jordan Phillips/DT/Oklahoma
35. Cameron Erving/C/Florida State
36. Preston Smith/DE/Mississippi State
37. P.J. Williams/CB/Florida State
38. Jaelen Strong/WR/Arizona State
39. Damarious Randall/S/Arizona State
40. Jake Fisher/OT/Oregon
41. Dorial Green-Beckham/WR/Oklahoma
42. T.J. Clemmings/OT/Pittsburgh
43. Ronald Darby/CB/Florida State
44. Tevin Coleman/RB/Indiana
45. Maxx Williams/TE/Minnesota
46. Phillip Dorsett/WR/Miami, Fl
47. Carl Davis/DT/Iowa
48. Mario Edwards Jr./DE/Florida State
49. Benardrick McKinney/ILB/Mississippi State
50. Cedric Ogbuehi/OT/Texas A&M
51. Stephone Anthony/ILB/Clemson
52. Michael Bennett/DT/Ohio State
53. Shaq Thompson/OLB/Washington
54. Sammie Coates/WR/Auburn
55. Devin Smith/WR/Ohio State
56. Jay Ajayi/RB/Boise State
57. Nate Orchard/OLB/Utah
58. Ameer Abdullah/RB/Nebraska
59. Denzel Perryman/ILB/Miami, Fl
60. Duke Johnson/RB/Miami, Fl
61. Quinten Rollins/CB/Miami, OH
62. A.J. Cann/OG/South Carolina
63. Danielle Hunter/DE/Louisiana State
64. Laken Tomlinson/OG/Duke
65. Paul Dawson/ILB/Texas Christian
66. Eric Rowe/CB/Utah
67. Donovan Smith/OG/Penn State
68. Tre' Jackson/OG/Florida State
69. T.J. Yeldon/RB/Alabama
70. Jaquiski Tartt/S/Samford
71. Lorenzo Mauldin/OLB/Louisville
72. Tyler Lockett/WR/Kansas State
73. Devin Funchess/WR/Michigan
74. Clive Walford/TE/Miami, Fl
75. David Johnson/RB/Northern Iowa
76. Senquez Golson/CB/Mississippi
77. Grady Jarrett/DT/Clemson
78. Brett Hundley/QB/UCLA
79. D'Joun Smith/CB/Florida Atlantic
80. Ali Marpet/C/Hobart
81. Alex Carter/CB/Stanford
82. Josh Shaw/CB/Southern California
83. Doran Grant/CB/Ohio State
84. Tre McBride/WR/William & Mary
85. Rashad Greene/WR/Florida State
86. Xavier Cooper/DT/Washington State
87. Charles Gaines/CB/Louisville
88. Jeremy Langford/RB/Michigan State
89. Gabe Wright/DT/Auburn
90. Hauoli Kikaha/OLB/Washington
91. Tyler Kroft/TE/Rutgers
92. Marcus Hardison/DE/Arizona State
93. Ty Sambrailo/OT/Colorado State
94. Jeremiah Poutasi/OT/Utah
95. Kwon Alexander/OLB/Louisiana State
96. Chris Conley/WR/Georgia
97. Steven Nelson/CB/Oregon State
98. Hroniss Grasu/C/Oregon
99. Za'Darius Smith/DE/Kentucky
100. Trey Flowers/DE/Arkansas
Mychal Kendricks would be the best ILB in this draft. If Ted could get him for his second rounder knowing what he knows about his NFL numbers Id think he'd make that deal in 2 seconds.
WTF is Chip Kelly up to?!?!?!?
When the McCoy/Alonso trade happened, there was talk that Kelly wanted Alonso because of his length. Alonso is a legitimate 6-3, and Kendricks is a shade over 5-11.
It may have had something to do with Chip adding to his Duck collection but if you have a chance to get a legitimate 6'3" then dammit you pull that trigger and hope he doesn't blow out that ACL again on the flight to Philly.
Packers are right on the cusp of a SB and their main issue is the ILB situation. I would take Kendricks for their lat 2nd in a heartbeat. Trade down from RD1 into mid 2nd and get another pick in RD4 or so on top of it. Find CB depth and DL depth from there on out
Yes I know Ted won't do it but let me enjoy this for a few minutes
Packers are right on the cusp of a SB and their main issue is the ILB situation. I would take Kendricks for their lat 2nd in a heartbeat. Trade down from RD1 into mid 2nd and get another pick in RD4 or so on top of it. Find CB depth and DL depth from there on out
My thoughts exactly except I'd add OL also. Mychal only turns 25 in September.
The Eagles won't get anything close for a second rounder for Kendricks. They showed their hand when they dealt for Alonso. They want length at linebacker, they don't want Kendricks. The draft is on their doorstep, if they want additional help in 2015 they have to deal him now and take what they can get. Every team knows this and every team will low ball them. Kendricks is a solid/good player but he's not the type that teams are going to get into a bidding war over.
The Eagles might not get a 2 for Kendricks, but it won't be because he isn't a terrific player. It's because Kendricks is going into the last year of his rookie contract and is in line for a huge pay day.
Trade a 3rd year second round pick that has performed well to get what they can get. That's good front office work.
You seem to be confusing "they don't want Kendricks" with "Chip doesn't want Kendricks" but we'll get back to that.
So they trade Kendricks for what they can get because they desire length. Stands to reason getting the additional help you speak of in 2015 would include an ILB because they'd be counting on a starter with 2 ACL blowouts that missed all of 2014 (Kiko) and a 30 year old that missed half of 2014 with a torn Achilles (Ryans...By the way Demeco is a "legitimate" 6'1"). The reason they probably want an ILB in the draft after trading Kendricks to get what they can get is because the backup to Kiko and Demeco would be Brad Jones.
Chip is doing everything he can to get to number 2 in the draft to get his QB. That's what everyone knows. He's done a completely ****ty job of disguising it. If a team low balls him it's not because Kendricks is 5'11". It's because Chip is a ****ty poker player.
McGinn's series concludes.
Outlook for Packers: http://www.jsonline.com/sports...463z1-301784061.html
First round mock: http://www.jsonline.com/sports...465z1-301778881.html
Mocking a Packers trade-out? He might get that right.
If Leonard Williams is the best player in the draft and if Tennessee is trying to trade out (showing they want an unwarranted ransom for Mariota, whom they don't really want), why give up the farm? Call their bluff, they can take Mariota (and quite possibly be stuck with him if they don't become reasonable) or, if they take Williams trade with the more reasonable Reggie McKenzie because Williams will be off the board.
Terrible article by McGinn. So he hasn't done well with his past predictions, so what Bob, we know you are like everyone else and can't see the future. So instead of actually making a prediction, he just names every defensive player that's projected to be picked anywhere from 12 to 50 overall as a possibility for Green Bay. Wonderful insight there.
Now Ted will probably trade up for an offensive player just to spite him. D.J. Humphries or Melvin Gordon anyone? But as far as serious trade up scenarios, if Kevin Johnson makes it down to 27, then why wouldn't Thompson give serious consideration to trade to get him. The Cowboys move down three spots and can still get a cornerback with baggage (just how the Cowboys like their players) or an inside linebacker, so the price would probably be reasonable. The Packers get an excellent cornerback with solid character that can line up and play right away.
And Bryce Petty at 31. Not saying it can't happen...when it comes to quarterbacks anything can happen. But boy oh boy I just don't see all those quarterbacks not named Winston or Mariota being anywhere near first round territory. Middle of round three is more like it...and that is probably still a little higher than those guys should go.
I have a feeling Garrett Grayson and Hundley go before Petty.
Nothing would be better for the Packers though if one of those QBs (Petty, Hundley, Grayson) do carry a possible first round grade on some team's board. That means they would have to get one spot ahead of New Orleans #31 pick. Maybe someone is willing to dramatically overpay to get to #30....to draft Petty . The Jets maybe?
I think we'll try Al's Beef. Probably Portillos too
FWIW, Mrs. Coach who grew up in Hoffman Estates endorses Giordano's for deep dish pizza. Her best friend from high school who still lives up there swears by Portillo's.
FIBS.....
Giordano's and it isn't even close when you are in Chicago. Be prepared for a very long wait though. Another thing I would do is head down to Wrigleyville. It requires putting up with Cubs fans but there is a Wisconsin themed bar there that is about 2 blocks from the stadium.
If you want something completely different, there's Tre Kroner over on Foster Avenue for Scandanavian fare.
Any idea what time the 30th pick goes off tonight ?
And how effing retarded is it to give the Bucs ten minutes on live TV. You've had 5 months, make the damn pick and move on for cripes sake. Sheesh ~ !
But, but some other team might offer them the moon at the last second.........
I can see the Packers trading back, but not all the way to 58.
I don't recall TT making a draft day trade for a future year draft pick.
