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GreenNgoldBlood posted:

If they go up to 4, who says it's not for Saquan Barkley?? Need be damned. Besides, we don't know a lot about what Pettine wants/prefers in his defensive players. The need their may not be as great as some of you may think it is. Pettine may like what they have.

If you think that Barkley is a difference maker at the Zeke Elliott level (with the bonus that he hasn't beaten woman like he's a caveman) then go get him there. Even it didn't pan out, at least they have a well-founded conviction that this will be the move to put them over the top. I like the RBs they have OK, but I don't think defensive coordinators are staying awake at night worrying about how to stop Monty, Jones, or Williams.

It would be nice to have an Ahman Green type again. In-shape Eddie Lacy, mid-1990s Dorsey Levens, 2007 Ryan Grant, 2010 playoff Starks, and 1996 Edgar Bennett have all been solid to excellent backs, but the only superstar RB they've had in the last 35 years is Green. You made one mistake filling a gap on Ahman and he was gone to the house.

In the 5 years from 2000-2005, Ahman had 49 20+ yard runs and 11 40+ yard runs. Ahman had 16 20+ pass receptions (2 40+). 65 20+ yard plays in 5 years. Those are often game changing plays and defense have to scheme to prevent them. Teams actually committed more to stopping the run and he still was able to do that. 

Eddie Lacy had 19 (20+) and 3 (40+) in 4 years. Lacy had 11 and 2 in terms of pass receptions.  30 explosive plays - OK but not in the Ahman category - and teams were mainly scheming to stop the pass.

Jamaal Williams had 4 such plays last year. Jones had 6.

Henry posted:

No matter the rule changes, defense wins championships.  The suggestion that Pettine thinks everything is great on defense is a damn joke.  

I sense a lot of pillow clenching. 

Nailed it.  I would bet good money that the Packers organization from the top all the way  down knows that this defense needs to improve and in a hurry.  Yes a ton of blame goes to Capers but there still has been a stunning lack of playmaking on that defense and it hasnt had it in years. 

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Will Barkley be running behind DAL OL?

I don't think he'll need it to be as good as Elliott but the comparison isn't really just.

It's anybody's guess if NYG are looking to the future at #2 or the present.  CLE will end up with a top QB and either Gnarley Barkley or Chubb.  That's a helluva injection for that team.  

 

 

If Ward and Fitzpatrick would both be available at 14, which would you take assuming no other top players drop?   Ward more the true corner but Fitzpatrick more versatile.                                                      

 

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Henry posted:
Goalline posted:

Josh Allen says white is right.

Josh, finally some accuracy

Just saw an article claiming a unnamed team leaked his twitterin'. 

That seems like a stupid rumor. 

ChilliJon posted:

There isn't any scenario that trading UP for McGlinchey would be considered acceptable behavior. 

I wouldn't go up for him either.  Every defensive player who could have an impact would have to gone.  Besides, always seems like late fast risers end up going in the 2nd. 

He sure looks like he'd be a perfect RT though.

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Henry posted:
Goalline posted:

Josh Allen says white is right.

Josh, finally some accuracy

Just saw an article claiming a unnamed team leaked his twitterin'. 

In related developments Ted has had time now to learn how to use those twitterz and interwebs things

I'd probably take Fitzpatrick over Ward. More versatile and I think there are a number of good press corners available later while there's basically Justin Reid at cover safety (depending on Gaulden/Meeks who might be versatile enough).

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Goalline posted:
ChilliJon posted:

Baker Mayfield everyone!

Sorry, but I'm not feeling the hick.

The kid and his entourage are trying way too hard. Campaigned for the Heisman like that, too. 

Just STFU and play. 

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ilcuqui posted:
Henry posted:
Goalline posted:

Josh Allen says white is right.

Josh, finally some accuracy

Just saw an article claiming a unnamed team leaked his twitterin'. 

In related developments Ted has had time now to learn how to use those twitterz and interwebs things

No, he hasn't. He doesn't trust the CIA.

GreenNgoldBlood posted:

If they go up to 4, who says it's not for Saquan Barkley?? Need be damned. Besides, we don't know a lot about what Pettine wants/prefers in his defensive players. The need there may not be as great as some of you may think it is. Pettine may like what they have.

If that happens I apologize in advance to the people in the room but I will literally piss my pants with excitement.

ilcuqui posted:
Goalline posted:
ChilliJon posted:

Baker Mayfield everyone!

Sorry, but I'm not feeling the hick.

The kid and his entourage are trying way too hard. Campaigned for the Heisman like that, too. 

Just STFU and play. 

Lovin' the phone!

ChilliJon posted:

Biggest reason not to trade up is no one knows how good or bad the defense in GB actually is or isn't. Got nothing to do with the prospects available. 

Dom Capers SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Trade up & get Derwin James - I would not be unhappy

Trade down & get a bunch of 2nd & 3rd rounders - I would not be unhappy

It's time to draft!! Hopefully the Packers select some difference makers

When the Packers drafted DT Justin Harrell in 2007 - who was defensive MVP of the cotton bowl that season - I was hoping for either S Reggie Nelson or WR Robert Meachem.  Harrell had an injury history a mile long in college,  I just hope our new GM doesn't do something similar tonight.  I wanted to post this after the video a couple pages ago, but work got in the way.  

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Trade up & get Derwin James - I would not be unhappy

Trade down & get a bunch of 2nd & 3rd rounders - I would not be unhappy

It's time to draft!! Hopefully the Packers select some difference makers

That is what I like.  A guy who is flexible.  

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Trade up & get Derwin James - I would not be unhappy

Trade down & get a bunch of 2nd & 3rd rounders - I would not be unhappy

It's time to draft!! Hopefully the Packers select some difference makers

Sorry, but trading down makes ZERO sense...they already have 12 picks...as it is, 12 picks are NOT going to make the roster, get rid of some of that capitol and maneuver up as much as possible and get guys you THINK can make an immediate impact.

DH13 posted:

Will Barkley be running behind DAL OL?

I don't think he'll need it to be as good as Elliott but the comparison isn't really just.

It's anybody's guess if NYG are looking to the future at #2 or the present.  CLE will end up with a top QB and either Gnarley Barkley or Chubb.  That's a helluva injection for that team.  

 

 

No, but the Packers line will be good if it remains healthy and with #12 in the backfield, he will see constant 7 man fronts.

GreenNgoldBlood posted:
Brainwashed Boris posted:

Trade up & get Derwin James - I would not be unhappy

Trade down & get a bunch of 2nd & 3rd rounders - I would not be unhappy

It's time to draft!! Hopefully the Packers select some difference makers

Sorry, but trading down makes ZERO sense...they already have 12 picks...as it is, 12 picks are NOT going to make the roster, get rid of some of that capitol and maneuver up as much as possible and get guys you THINK can make an immediate impact.

I agree that 12+ picks are not going to make the roster.  But a trade down in the first round, if the board says so and the offer is good, is fine by me.  It gives Gluteus maximum ammo to trade back up later in the draft.

There isn't a 'must have' pick for me either.  I'd rather have an edge rusher than a DB if the grades are close.  I've been going back and forth between Harold Landry and Marcus Davenport.  Not in on Vander Esch at 14.

Hoping for some lap falling opportunity that can't be passed up.

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