Pakrz posted:A lot of mocks have the UTSA edge guy going to GB. Pass rush is huge, but is he more of a combine guy or did he actually produce?
Watched a bit of the ESPN mock draft last night and caught Rob Demovsky reading off the Packers projected pick at 14, Marcus Davenport. Bill Polian, who I trust as a great judge of talent, was really high on Davenport. The comparison was to Ziggy Ansah, but with a higher ceiling.
Whoever it is - if they stay at #14 - This has to be an impact player that can contribute right away.
With Rodgers healthy for all 16 we're never drafting higher than this.
I don't ever want to draft this high again in my life
did Gute have one on one draft interviews with the reporters that follow that team. I know Wolf and I ghout even Ted Thompson had those before the draft.
I hear you Boris, this draft really is important. Not just the 1st pick but the fact that they pick in the upper half of just about every round, plus they have a fairly high supplemental pick, they really need to have a great draft to replenish the talent on the team overall. We all saw what this team was like without Rodgers, it was a team only slightly better than the Cleveland Browns.
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fightphoe93 posted:I hear you Boris, this draft really is important. Not just the 1st pick but the fact that they pick in the upper half of just about every round, plus they have a fairly high supplemental pick, they really need to have a great draft to replenish the talent on the team overall. We all saw what this team was like without Rodgers, it was a team only slightly better than the Cleveland Browns.
7-9 is more than slightly better than the Cleveland Browns but I take your point. It was well below Packer standards.
We are approximately 27 hours from when GB exercises the 14th pick ( or 26 hours if GB gets a sweetheart deal from Oakland and moves to 10; but like most of you I am praying for impact players this year- no too small Jamals and no disrespect to the analytics' of the draft I don't want any Mike Mamulas here either: Thompson can pick any position so long as this player has production, likes to play football and has some football IQ. One more brilliant athlete who has to get a peewee primer about football is not for me. Now am I praying that a great corner, pass rusher, or LB is the 1st one. I am just praying about 8 really good football players are heading to the rookie orientation and not a 3 time assist champion from College Basketball!
Who wants to break it to him that TT is no longer our GM?
Old habits are hard to break.
Thompson doesn't have final say anymore 
I know you know that too 
Saw an interesting comment on the twit. Pettine likes to create pressure with blitzes, resulting in a lot of man coverage. Would seem to suggest a DB if a drop dead pass rusher isn't there. Or even that the reports of them moving up to get one have some credence.
I really hope it's not Davenport. Did anyone know that San Antonio had a college with a football program prior to this years draft? I don't doubt he is physically gifted, but at 14 I want a kid who has played, and succeeded, against elite talent.
Same goes for Vander Esch, AKA, Frakrell 2.0.
Save your keystrokes, I realize there are exceptions, but I don't think either of these kids are the exception. At 14, get a guy who has done it against elite talent in big games. If he isn't there, move down and then take your project because their are lots of projects in rounds 2 and beyond to be had.
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Hmmmm.....Which one should I trust???
BrainDed posted:I really hope it's not Davenport. Did anyone know that San Antonio had a college with a football program prior to this years draft? I don't doubt he is physically gifted, but at 14 I want a kid who has played, and succeeded, against elite talent.
Same goes for Vander Esch, AKA, Frakrell 2.0.Save your keystrokes, I realize there are exceptions, but I don't think either of these kids are the exception. At 14, get a guy who has done it against elite talent in big games. If he isn't there, move down and then take your project because their are lots of projects in rounds 2 and beyond to be had.
A more accurate comparison for Vander Esch is Shea McClellin, also out of Boise. Of concern is the fact he goes from 175lbs walk-on to 246lbs MWC DPOY. There have long been rumors about how he added 71lbs of muscle and a mean streak.
Pass.
Almost the same was said about Clay
I'm not going to say I know a ton about Vander Esch as I am going on simply what I read, but I get the feeling Vander Esch played a lot more inside than McClellin did. It looked like his tackle numbers were much better, but didn't have the sack numbers McClellin did.
Who knows, maybe the rumors about him having neck issues are true and maybe he'll slide down draft boards because of it. If someone really likes him, they'll double and triple check all that stuff and make a decision on him.
DH13 posted:Pettine likes to create pressure with blitzes, resulting in a lot of man coverage. ....
Got me thinking about Josh Jackson. Was reading somewhere that 6 of Jackson’s 8 interceptions came in zone coverage. Iowa plays a lot of zone. Doesn't sound like he has much experience in press man, isn't well suited to cover sudden/shifty receivers (slot), and of course doesn't have long speed either. Obviously has a nice skill set, but probably best suited to go to a team that plays a lot of quarters or 2 deep. In other words his coaches need to put him in position to win....who knows maybe Pettine thinks he can do that.
The new #Packers may be on display Thursday night. They are among the teams plotting a potential trade up -- from No. 14 -- for a top-tier talent, sources say. It would be their first opening round move up since Clay Matthews in 2009.
I think Jackson is the ideal zone corner, which is why I don't want the Packers anywhere near him. He reminds me of Rhonde Barber.
PackerRuss posted:The new
#Packers may be on display Thursday night. They are among the teams plotting a potential trade up -- from No. 14 -- for a top-tier talent, sources say. It would be their first opening round move up since Clay Matthews in 2009.
Smoke screen to get somebody to jump.
Disagree, I have a feeling that they would like to move up to draft James. His versatility would seem to be very appealing to Pettine & his scheme.
And (sadly) his size may preclude him from doing just that. Too small to jam in man coverage, and plays best off the WR at the line.
A really good speed guy tho. I would not mind him at 14
Roquan Smith. Please let it be so.
Ted's gonna be in the draft room taunting Gute.
"C'mon Brian, be bold. This is a new era"
"You wanted the big chair, not so easy is it ??"
"Anybody else want a smoothie ??"
I'm going to need a live stream for the draft .No NFL Network and my cable provider is fighting with FOX so no fake draft news for me . I do have XM radio but I want to see Mayock's eyes bugging out of his head.
BrainDed posted:I really hope it's not Davenport. Did anyone know that San Antonio had a college with a football program prior to this years draft? I don't doubt he is physically gifted, but at 14 I want a kid who has played, and succeeded, against elite talent.
Same goes for Vander Esch, AKA, Frakrell 2.0.Save your keystrokes, I realize there are exceptions, but I don't think either of these kids are the exception. At 14, get a guy who has done it against elite talent in big games. If he isn't there, move down and then take your project because their are lots of projects in rounds 2 and beyond to be had.
Absolutely the way I feel as well.
PackerPatrick posted:And (sadly) his size may preclude him from doing just that. Too small to jam in man coverage, and plays best off the WR at the line.
A really good speed guy tho. I would not mind him at 14
I assume you are talking about Ward, not James, who is 6'2" 215 lbs.
Pakrz posted:BrainDed posted:I really hope it's not Davenport. Did anyone know that San Antonio had a college with a football program prior to this years draft? I don't doubt he is physically gifted, but at 14 I want a kid who has played, and succeeded, against elite talent.
Same goes for Vander Esch, AKA, Frakrell 2.0.Save your keystrokes, I realize there are exceptions, but I don't think either of these kids are the exception. At 14, get a guy who has done it against elite talent in big games. If he isn't there, move down and then take your project because their are lots of projects in rounds 2 and beyond to be had.
Absolutely the way I feel as well.
That’s because you’re a ding dong.
Although I do agree about Vander Esch. Davenport dominated at the Senior Bowl because he knows how to self correct and the only motivation he needs comes from himself
I’ll take those traits even on an average LB.
Packdog posted:Ted's gonna be in the draft room taunting Gute.
"C'mon Brian, be bold. This is a new era"
"You wanted the big chair, not so easy is it ??"
"Anybody else want a smoothie ??"
Bud Light on ice. I guess that’s a smoothie.
I debated, but I didn't think they'd have alcohol in the War Room.
Course, Ted probably does whatever the **** he wants !!!
Hell, they have alcohol in the President's doctors office, why not the War Room?
With #12's clock ticking, this is NOT the time to bring in many new bodies. This is the time to draft a few immediate, impact players. If the Packers use all 12 picks, or anywhere close to it, then I will know they still don't "get it". They don't need 12 new bodies...get 5 or 6 high impact guys and call it a day. use all those picks to manuever up as much as possible.
Henry posted:Pakrz posted:BrainDed posted:I really hope it's not Davenport. Did anyone know that San Antonio had a college with a football program prior to this years draft? I don't doubt he is physically gifted, but at 14 I want a kid who has played, and succeeded, against elite talent.
Same goes for Vander Esch, AKA, Frakrell 2.0.Save your keystrokes, I realize there are exceptions, but I don't think either of these kids are the exception. At 14, get a guy who has done it against elite talent in big games. If he isn't there, move down and then take your project because their are lots of projects in rounds 2 and beyond to be had.
Absolutely the way I feel as well.
That’s because you’re a ding dong.
Although I do agree about Vander Esch. Davenport dominated at the Senior Bowl because he knows how to self correct and the only motivation he needs comes from him.
I’ll take those traits even on an average LB.
Are you suggesting that BrainDed and I aren't the smartest dudes in the room?
BrainDed posted:I really hope it's not Davenport. Did anyone know that San Antonio had a college with a football program prior to this years draft? I don't doubt he is physically gifted, but at 14 I want a kid who has played, and succeeded, against elite talent.
Same goes for Vander Esch, AKA, Frakrell 2.0.Save your keystrokes, I realize there are exceptions, but I don't think either of these kids are the exception. At 14, get a guy who has done it against elite talent in big games. If he isn't there, move down and then take your project because their are lots of projects in rounds 2 and beyond to be had.
I agree. I like Davenport just fine, but I’m worried about a project. I don’t trust Winston Moss to teach him what he needs to know and help him unlock his talent. I don’t think Vander Esch is the right guy to pair with Martinez, I’m sure he will end up being a fine LB though. They’re too similar in terms of what they bring to the defense, we need a missile like Rahsaan Evans to pair with Mart, who (like LVE) is an inside grinder.
Fitzpatrick or trade down unless there’s an unlikely event like a top player like Ward, Nelson, or Chubb falls.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Wanted to replay the 1st pick in 2007 - Ahhhh draft memories
Sad part is that the kid actually nailed it.
What the f@ck are you going to do with Justin F@cking Harrell?
I'd argue they need 12 decent, or better, bodies.
3-4 DBs
2 TEs
1 WR
2 ILB
2 OLB
1 OL
1 QB
Tdog posted:A good friend of mine emailed the other day and he knows exactly what the Pack will do tomorrow. He knows his stuff and you can take this to the bank:
It suddenly entered my mind, like a spirit whispered it or something.
The Packers will either trade up, stay put or trade down in the draft this week.I really think this will happen, too.
There is always the possibility that they are late getting the pick to the podium and another teams jumps in front of them.
Wait.
No.
That kind spectacular incompetence only happens in dime store novels and B-movies.
Packdog posted:Ted's gonna be in the draft room taunting Gute.
"C'mon Brian, be bold. This is a new era"
"You wanted the big chair, not so easy is it ??"
"Anybody else want a smoothie ??"
I like this
Bud light on ice while I kick my feet up!
antooo posted:Tdog posted:A good friend of mine emailed the other day and he knows exactly what the Pack will do tomorrow. He knows his stuff and you can take this to the bank:
It suddenly entered my mind, like a spirit whispered it or something.
The Packers will either trade up, stay put or trade down in the draft this week.I really think this will happen, too.
There is always the possibility that they are late getting the pick to the podium and another teams jumps in front of them.
Wait.
No.
That kind spectacular incompetence only happens in dime store novels and B-movies.
