My consensus board has put Ridley in the second round for over a month now
DJ Moore reminds me of Steve Smith, one of my favorite WR in this draft. Agree on Ridley, would be disappointed with him at 14.
Also skiddish when I hear love for a guy like Vander Esch. Roquan Smith or Edmunds at ILB, ok, but after that need to hit a homerun with this years 1st pick.
Hope is Davenport and Ridley go ahead of 14 and Smith drops. 4.51 40 guy that looks like he runs a 4.30 40 in games.
I really like Davenport. Raw as can be but he could become an absolute menace on the edge for a long time. But Roquan Smith is a 3 down ILB from day one. Would be unbelievable if he fell in Gute’s lap.
Damnit - I wish Mayock wouldn't do that. He must've received some info from a few GM's. The GM's watch what Mayock says
Floridarob posted:Mayocks final draft ratings moved WR DJ Moore ahead of CAlvin Ridley and Josh Jackson behind several other CB prospects. First time I have seen DJ Moore that high.
Hopefully, he won't test positive till after the draft.
Packdog posted:Also skiddish when I hear love for a guy like Vander Esch. Roquan Smith or Edmunds at ILB, ok, but after that need to hit a homerun with this years 1st pick.
Vander Esch and Edmunds most likely would line up outside in Green Bay. They're tailor-made to play rush 'backer.
In a 4-3 I could see Vander Esch play Middle LBer, but he may have too much of the field to cover playing in a 5-2 (which essentially a 3-4 really is). Hard to say what Pettine will look for. Would be great if he just wanted great football p[layers, confident that he could tweak his scheme to allow them to play to their strengths.
You can only tweak a scheme so much before you have to face the reality that Micah Hyde is not a corner.
Vander Esch has plenty of movement to play outside. I'll add another guy who's made to line up outside in a 3-4 who played inside in college: Malik Jefferson.
This guys has the Pack passing on R. Smith... for a good reason?
Mock drafts are fun
El-Ka-Bong posted:This guys has the Pack passing on R. Smith... for a good reason?
Mock drafts are fun moronic
It's exactly why Mayock hates doing one but NFL N has forced him to do his, which he does, his 1 mock draft, on Wednesday Night before round 1.
Hope we pass on Van der Esch...the steroid rumors are worrisome. Also reminds me too much of Shea McLellan
With Vander Esch, you've got the steroid rumors, plus just a couple days ago a rumor started that he's been flunked on physicals by some teams worried about neck issues.
Who knows if it's all smoke teams are putting out there so he'll drop to them. I think he's a facsinating prospect so if the Pack does their due diligence and like him, I'd have no problems with the pick. Who knows, maybe the Pack are one of those teams that flunked him on a physical... we really have no clue as just fans on the outside looking in.
I just saw an article on NFL.com which says that Elway is willing to trade his #5 pick in the draft to go further down the draft. The article would not download so as to let me post it here. If the Packers moved up to #5, they would be in a position to grab a top tier player such as B. Chubb, Nelson, Fitzpatrick, James or maybe even Barkley. Do you think Gute will bite on this?
The more I look at this draft, the more I become convinced there are no difference makers worthy of #14 overall.
I hope Gutey trades down because I think the value is in late 1 & rounds 2-3.
I think there is 1 difference maker in this draft.
His name is Barkley & I highly doubt Gutey will want to trade up that far to get him because he's probably going #2 overall unless the Browns pass on Darnold.
Here's my best guess for 1-13 today - I reserve the right to change, 
1) Darnold
2) Barkley
3) Josh Rosen
4) Chubb
5) Josh Allen
6) Quenton Nelson
7) Minkah Fitzpatrick
8) T. Edmunds
9) Roquan Smith
10) Mike McGlinchy - Raiders really need O-Line help
11) DJ Moore - He's been flying up boards - Ridley could go here too
12) Baker Mayfield
13) Derwin James
#14 is looking more and more like a no man's land. We've got enough juice to move up a couple spots without sacrificing too much but it always takes a willing trade partner. I don't see the point in trading back and collecting even more pics unless you use them to move back up into the bottom of RD1 or high RD2 (from current mid RD2).
I'm with you Boris. Unless someone like Fitzpatrick slides, I hope Gute can move back and get an extra 3rd.
I would rather not give up the 14th pick to go down the board. I'd like to move up and grab a solid player in the top eight position rankings. At 14 our options for Edge rusher are Davenport and Landry. Are either worth our pick at 14. Maybe. If we trade the 14th pick and a later round pick with Denver to go up to #5, we have a much better chance of landing a difference maker, no matter what position he plays. I've seen mocks that have Barkley, Chubb and Nelson falling to, or past, the 5th pick. James, Edmunds, Ward and Ridley and most of the other WRs and CBs went after 5, as well.
Boris, I am with you on this draft and thinking their best move might be to move down in the 1st round if someone is after a player at #14 and we can stockpile some picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It is just my humble opinion but I think the true value of almost all drafts is in rounds 2-3 and that is where you find out what the scouting department and GM are made of.
A scenerio I can see is someone wanting a player like the QB Jackson out of Louisville who some have linked quite a bit to the Patriots. I am sure if Bellichick is on the phone offering a decent return you would have to listen to them.
Moving into the top 10 comes at a large price including higher round picks. I don't see Gute doing that as I don't see clear cut impact players below #6 or 7 to make it worth it.
It's really hard to come up with a scenario of GB moving up in the draft. If Roquan Smith slides to 11-12??? Maybe.
As much as I think Fitzpatrick, James, and Ward will be good pros I can't see GB justifying giving away draft assets to go up to get them. Certainly not more than 1 or two spots. None of those three are players you could point at and say they are the kind of locks to justify losing picks over.
If one of them slides, great. If not then move back. There seems to be a lot more value once you drop down to 18-32. 14 does look more and more like no man's land every day though.
Which might also mean its no man's land for everyone else too. It takes two to make a trade. I suspect the Packers will have to hold at 14 and pick the best player available....might be great, might not be.
Agreed. Plus, the teams that aren't in the QB sweepstakes are looking at the same needs as the Packers. It's probably too cost prohibitive. I would wait and see what kind of trade action actually happens at the beginning of the round to see if there is a viable chance to move up.
I still believe - and hope I am wrong - the qb thing - ie:taking 5 qb's in the first 10 picks is a smoke screen for teams looking to bait out of the top picks. That being said, 14 is no-man's land but a good spot for a 'lap-faller' - otherwise, we get the top pick of the 'prospective SHOULD be great/good player'. The more I read on Rashaan Evans, I likey. Would like your opinions on him, I have my own. He seems like being able to hold down the middle while we still pass rush, this is critical. Barring Ward, or one of the top flight consensus guys slipping - Evans a good pick?
L Jackson definitely not going top 5, probably not top 10. Mayfield seems the wild card top5/not. Only matters if he falls past 13. I don't see anybody wanting to trade up to 14 unless something really stupid happens. Which would give it about a 50/50.
In Boris' mock, I see that Josh Jackson is available at 14, if so, we run the card up there. The guy is a stud, he's IA. IA/GB connection is strong. Jackson and King as CB's for the next 5 years, bodes well. HHCD and Jones as Safety's, I likey.
PackerRuss posted:In Boris' mock, I see that Josh Jackson is available at 14, if so, we run the card up there. The guy is a stud, he's IA. IA/GB connection is strong. Jackson and King as CB's for the next 5 years, bodes well. HHCD and Jones as Safety's, I likey.
Plus the 2 and 3 rated edge rushers, Davenport and Landry.
Packers are in an interesting spot for a QB (team like the Pats trading up)
Why??
1 slot ahead of Cardinals who are desperate for a QB
phaedrus posted:PackerRuss posted:In Boris' mock, I see that Josh Jackson is available at 14, if so, we run the card up there. The guy is a stud, he's IA. IA/GB connection is strong. Jackson and King as CB's for the next 5 years, bodes well. HHCD and Jones as Safety's, I likey.
Plus the 2 and 3 rated edge rushers, Davenport and Landry.
So you both see what I'm saying then....
Trade down & still get one of those guys - willing trade partner of course.
Usually the GM's have the structure of trades worked out long before the draft
I.E. - If I wanted to trade down with you guys - what would you think about a deal like this.....
It's all preliminary talks to get a deal done.
i think the Bucs pic is where Gute should be trying to get to. That is where he can get pretty much any of the best players including either of the LBs or his choice of the DBs. Waiting to 14 may leave him without any of those possibilities.
....and that's exactly the point.
Are any of those players WORTH that spot.
E.G Decade long pro-bowler / All-Pro = Potential Hall of Famer?
The draft is all about value
Brainwashed Boris posted:Packers are in an interesting spot for a QB (team like the Pats trading up)
Why??
1 slot ahead of Cardinals who are desperate for a QB
phaedrus posted:PackerRuss posted:In Boris' mock, I see that Josh Jackson is available at 14, if so, we run the card up there. The guy is a stud, he's IA. IA/GB connection is strong. Jackson and King as CB's for the next 5 years, bodes well. HHCD and Jones as Safety's, I likey.
Plus the 2 and 3 rated edge rushers, Davenport and Landry.
So you both see what I'm saying then....
Trade down & still get one of those guys - willing trade partner of course.
Usually the GM's have the structure of trades worked out long before the draft
I.E. - If I wanted to trade down with you guys - what would you think about a deal like this.....
It's all preliminary talks to get a deal done.
This right here is where I think Boris is on to something. I know many of us think #14 is in no mans land but I also think it might be a great spot to be in if things fall just right. Every year there is a surprise pick by a team that you didnt think they needed a certain player, or they go to a position they weren't expected to draft and that can shake up the draft board big time. I think the Packers could possibly be sitting pretty if someone like Mayfield is falling down the board and someone is desperate like the Cardinals who really need a QB.
Got a feeling the Cards are not going to sit back at 15 when they need a QB so badly. They missed out on Patrick Maholmes and Deshaun Watson last year. Expect to see them or another team move into the top 10 to get a QB.
Would not be disappointed to see Gute move back from 14, lots of talent in rounds 2-3.
Unless they really like Lamar Jackson and/or Mason Rudolph. Both will likely be available to them.
Floridarob posted:i think the Bucs pic is where Gute should be trying to get to.
Costs too much to get into top 10 unless you want a QB.
I don't believe GB will trade up, I think Gute will mimic Ted's early drafts where he worked to remake the roster. I anticipate he will leave with 12 picks, may not be all the same picks we have now, but we will have a big class. I think they want to put guys on notice, so they will bring in a lot of competition for roster spots. He will take the best player on their board at 14, I'm hoping that player is Fitzpatrick as I believe he's one of the best football players in the draft, but I think there will be several good players available it looks like. James may be a better Safety prospect, Ward may be a better CB, but I believe Fitz is overall the best DB with how much he can offer a defense. He's a rich man's Micah Hyde, he has Hyde's instincts and playmaking ability, but is a superior athlete. We want football players like that, not theoretical potential players.
I think if he moves anywhere it'll be higher in rd2 or even back into low rd1(from current mid 2nd) if he's gotta guy there.
Packdog posted:Got a feeling the Cards are not going to sit back at 15 when they need a QB so badly. They missed out on Patrick Maholmes and Deshaun Watson last year. Expect to see them or another team move into the top 10 to get a QB.
Would not be disappointed to see Gute move back from 14, lots of talent in rounds 2-3.
Peter King has them moving to 5 and taking Baker for just that reason. He also has the Pack taking the Iowa kid.
A lot of scouts/draft heads have GB taking a corner at 14 based on the belief Gute tipped his hand early with the offer on Fuller. I’ve seen Hughes mocked many times at 14 which is total insanity but driven by Gute chasing Fuller.
Carlton Davis, Donte Jackson or Quenton Meeks in rounds 2 or 3 carries a lot more value than Jackson or Hughes at 14. Draft is way too deep at CB to reach for need at 14. Either draft the clear BPA at 14 or trade down and get something back for a value pick.
John Lynch says the #49ers have 30 prospects with first-round grades.
— Joe Fann (@Joe_Fann) April 23, 2018
One more:
— Joe Fann (@Joe_Fann) April 23, 2018
Lynch says there are 12 prospects with Pro Bowl grades.
(The Buffalo Bills are at pick No. 12)