Pakrz posted:I just don't think GB needs to draft a S that high. Dix has the skillset. Jones is a ball player and I'm high on Brice. I'd much rather GB go in a different direction at 14.
well, today is the day to be high on something
DH13 posted:Agreed. I posted the comparison article because of all the mocks that have shown both S being available at 14 after the top edge and CB's are gone.
I'm with you. Given those circumstances, taking one of the two wouldn't be the worst thing to happen. I'm just holding out hope for a CB, LB or edge guy there.
7 players will be gone before GB is on the clock. Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, Rosen, Barkley, Nelson, and Chubb.
Smith, Ward, Fitzpatrick, James, Edmunds, and Vea are the next 6 BPA. And I think after Q Nelson is selected there will be a run on those names in no particular order other than Smith going to SF.
There just isn't a lot of real blue chip offensive talent between Q Nelson and Calvin Ridley. A RB and a G going before a WR in todays NFL. Go figure.
The hope is someone goes off script ahead of GB and takes Ridley, Lamar Jackson, Sutton or Mason Rudolph. Or Cleveland selects Josh Allen 1st overall and swaps places with Buffalo so they can select McGlinchey to replace JT at LT.
I think Ward or James are most likely to be the names to slide to 14 if it happens.
When you draft that high and an elite talent is available you take him. Clinton-Dix may not even be here next season. That's part of the reason I didn't love the Hawk pick. He was supposedly "safe", but there was elite talent available.
Who is this elite talent you speak of from the 2006 draft? One could make a decent argument AJ Hawk was the best player taken in the top 10 of the 2006 draft.
2006 was thin at the top but Vernon Davis and Haloti Ngata were superior talents that followed Hawk (Mario, D'Brick going before, of course).
Herschel posted:2006 was thin at the top but Vernon Davis and Haloti Ngata were superior talents that followed Hawk (Mario, D'Brick going before, of course).
One can only wonder what VD's career might have been coming into the with TH (meant GB) QBs.
FinnLander posted:I don't know. I wouldn't take a 4'6" QB for sure!
The Packers drafted a short QB in Rodgers, and look what it got them. 
ChilliJon posted:
The hope is someone goes off script ahead of GB and takes Ridley, Lamar Jackson, Sutton or Mason Rudolph. Or Cleveland selects Josh Allen 1st overall and swaps places with Buffalo so they can select McGlinchey to replace JT at LT.
I think Ward or James are most likely to be the names to slide to 14 if it happens.
Some team will make a 
pick before 14. It happens every year. Mock drafts are almost universally wrong (and there isn't even a consensus #1 this year). GB will have options at 14 from the names being tossed around. The question is how big is Gute's lap for the player to fall in.
FinnLander posted:I don't know. I wouldn't take a 4'6" QB for sure!
And why not? No 4’6” QB has ever failed in this league.
Just did a 5-round simulation mock...
R1 - Denzel Ward / CB / OSU
R2 - Courtland Sutton / WR / SMU
R3 - Kemoko Turay / Edge / Rutgers
R4 - Joseph Noteboom / OT / TCU
R4 - Shaquem Griffin / LB / CFU
R5 - Kevin Tolliver / CB / LSU
R5 - Marquis Haynes / Edge / Ole Miss
R5 - Toby Weathersby / OT / LSU
The other thing to remember is Perry can be jettisoned after this season if he continues to be middling player as his salary jump is next season. We could see an Edge/Corner/Edge/Corner draft even and it wouldn't be overkill id the right guys are around. Say something like:
14: Marcus Davenport
45: Isaiah Oliver
76: Uchenna Nwosu
101: Isaac Yiadom
133: Oren Burks
138: Troy Fumagalli
Herschel posted:2006 was thin at the top but Vernon Davis and Haloti Ngata were superior talents that followed Hawk (Mario, D'Brick going before, of course).
A good argument for best player over need...of course, many thought Hawk was the best player there...I seem to remember, at one point, the front office mentioned in an interview, not sure which year that was, that you need to have a willing trade partner. Maybe they wanted to move down, but couldn't.
Goalline posted:FinnLander posted:I don't know. I wouldn't take a 4'6" QB for sure!
And why not? No 4’6” QB has ever failed in this league.
You forgot Doug Flutie.
Packmeister posted:Herschel posted:2006 was thin at the top but Vernon Davis and Haloti Ngata were superior talents that followed Hawk (Mario, D'Brick going before, of course).
A good argument for best player over need...of course, many thought Hawk was the best player there...I seem to remember, at one point, the front office mentioned in an interview, not sure which year that was, that you need to have a willing trade partner. Maybe they wanted to move down, but couldn't.
I remember one sports prognosticator saying Hawk was by far the surest pick in the entire draft.
He meant Tony Hawk.
vitaflo posted:
ChilliJon posted:
The hope is someone goes off script ahead of GB and takes Ridley, Lamar Jackson, Sutton or Mason Rudolph. Or Cleveland selects Josh Allen 1st overall and swaps places with Buffalo so they can select McGlinchey to replace JT at LT.
I think Ward or James are most likely to be the names to slide to 14 if it happens.
Some team will make a
Do any of the Laplanders have a first round grade?
Pakrz posted:I just don't think GB needs to draft a S that high. Dix has the skillset. Jones is a ball player and I'm high on Brice. I'd much rather GB go in a different direction at 14.
Agree with the sentiment. I'm a Dix hater but he he has skills. I say we give him a year with the new coaches paired with the 2nd rounder and we can always tag him if he plays up to potential. Meaning S isn't an immediate need. I also am high on Brice. He ain't an all pro, but the kid has heart and would effort himself into an avg to above avg player.
If we draft DB in round 1 it has to be someone who can cover the boundary. That's Jackson.
pkr_north posted:ward will not be there.
Well, he's 5'10" so....
BrainDed posted:Pakrz posted:I just don't think GB needs to draft a S that high. Dix has the skillset. Jones is a ball player and I'm high on Brice. I'd much rather GB go in a different direction at 14.
Agree with the sentiment. I'm a Dix hater but he he has skills. I say we give him a year with the new coaches paired with the 2nd rounder and we can always tag him if he plays up to potential. Meaning S isn't an immediate need. I also am high on Brice. He ain't an all pro, but the kid has heart and would effort himself into an avg to above avg player.
If we draft DB in round 1 it has to be someone who can cover the boundary. That's Jackson.
I think that we have to look at Safety if James or Fitz falls to us. HHCD showed me last season that he doesn't seem to care about tackling anyone and that he gives up on plays. I feel he wants out of GB, once his contract is up. I also think GB would be hard pressed to find any Safety next year who is as solid a player as either Derwin James or Minkah Fitzpatrick is now.
mrtundra posted:BrainDed posted:Pakrz posted:I just don't think GB needs to draft a S that high. Dix has the skillset. Jones is a ball player and I'm high on Brice. I'd much rather GB go in a different direction at 14.
Agree with the sentiment. I'm a Dix hater but he he has skills. I say we give him a year with the new coaches paired with the 2nd rounder and we can always tag him if he plays up to potential. Meaning S isn't an immediate need. I also am high on Brice. He ain't an all pro, but the kid has heart and would effort himself into an avg to above avg player.
If we draft DB in round 1 it has to be someone who can cover the boundary. That's Jackson.
I think that we have to look at Safety if James or Fitz falls to us. HHCD showed me last season that he doesn't seem to care about tackling anyone and that he gives up on plays. I feel he wants out of GB, once his contract is up. I also think GB would be hard pressed to find any Safety next year who is as solid a player as either Derwin James or Minkah Fitzpatrick is now.
I concur. There was some speculation that he was reacting to the Pack picking up his option year, thus minimizing his chance for a big payday. Self preservation perhaps? Reaction to Dom's idiocy? We will find out, but if he plays this year like he did last, who would want him?
Similar comments to Casey Hayward.
I think corner is very deep this year also. Isaiah Oliver, Isaac Yiadom, Carlton Davis, Quenton Meeks, Michel Joseph, Holton Hill, Rashaan Gaulden, Anthony Averett, Donte Jackson, etc. and on and on there are a number of quality CB prospects all throughout the draft.
If corner is deep then one can be found in the second. From what I have read,,edge, not so much.
I realize that I have been harping on BPA but If the player we really want is gone then I prefer dropping down a bit. A lot more BPA's there too.
And there is this whole "Versatile" players thing for MP's defense. Does that play a role in who we draft? A more versatile player who is not BPA but can be found later?
Unlike previous years I really dont have a clue who we will draft. Not just in the first round but in all of them. But I do hope we draft Edge, CB and Jordys replacement.
Is that too much to ask?
Blair Kiel posted:Goalline posted:FinnLander posted:I don't know. I wouldn't take a 4'6" QB for sure!
And why not? No 4’6” QB has ever failed in this league.
You forgot Doug Flutie.
No way he was that tall.
First 14 pick projection:
Browns - Josh Allen QB
Giants - Saquon Barkley RB
Jets - Baker Mayfield QB
Browns - Bradley Chubb DE
Bills (trade w/ Denver) - Sam Darnold QB
Colts - Quenton Nelson G
Tampa - Derwin James S
Bears - Tremaine Edmunds LB
49ers - Roquan Smith LB
Oakland - Mincah Fitzpatrick S
Miami - Josh Rosen QB
Denver (from Bills) - Denzel Ward CB
Redskins - Vita Vea DL
Packers - Marcus Davenport EDGE
Harold Landry is tempting. Trading down for Will Hernandez or McGlinchey is tempting. Davenport seems high character with an insane upside. He’s the best defensive player left on the board and also the best pass rusher left. Maybe the best pass rusher in the draft not named Chubb. Perfect situational edge rusher while he perfects his skills on the edge. Josh Jackson is a safe pick but he’s not the kind of defensive difference maker Davenport represents.
I’m also of the opinion the rest of the draft breaks better for GB if they go Edge in round 1. There is depth at CB, WR, and OL.
If Ward or Fitz is there at 14 then you almost have to take them. But Davenport could be special.
Anyone just finishing watching round 1 of 2011 Draft?
I was reminded the Packers drafted Derrick Sherrod at pick #32
Know what I else I forgot??
Muhammed Wilkerson was #31
No doubt the Packers wanted him. Ok, turning the channel now - Back to 2018
McGinns piece today on Nelson was not too flatering. Several of his Scout "sources" were saying that he really was not that athletic and in no way should be considered in the same ranking as those great guards in the past. But then there are those scout sources that anoint him as the greatest ever. The negative scouts referred to the Miami game where they said his athleticism or lack of it was really apparent. Here is a comment
“I was drinking the Kool-Aid at first,” an executive in personnel said. “But he is not a great athlete. The more film you watch, the more you see it. If you really want to see that exposed watch Miami (Nov. 11). It left a very bad taste in my mouth. He is not an elite athlete.
That's interesting.
I just hope someone takes him before #14 if he sucks
This is exposed? I smell clickbait.
He may not be a developed Fralic, Faneca, Larry Allen or Bruce Matthews but that's not a very fair or realistic comparison either.
If Mayock isn’t sure Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson is the right choice for the Giants at #2 that’s all that needs to be said.
Nelson did get exposed in that Miami tape. Slow downfield and in moving his feet when asked to go sideways. If the guy was close to him at LOS and just bull-rushed, Nelson could hold his own. Anytime he was asked to shift on the fly or pull, he wasn’t very good quickwise or reaction-wise. Some mocks have the Bears trading up to get him, which would toss a curve into things.
Fedya posted:One can always hope the Bears will bust.
It's rumored they may trade up for a franchise long-snapper.
Mayocks final draft ratings moved WR DJ Moore ahead of CAlvin Ridley and Josh Jackson behind several other CB prospects. First time I have seen DJ Moore that high.