In Pauline's 3rd round - I disagree with the Packers taking Gaulden (I know he fit's their 'profile' at 6'1" but ran a 4.61 / 40) over guys like Justin Reid & Donte Jackson (4.32 / 40)
I'd rather give up the 2 inches in height for the thing you cannot teach (speed). TBH, I don't see how Donte makes it out of the 2nd round
FYI - Sam Shields was 5'11
Grave Digger posted:The point was made that Fitzpatrick and Jackson both fit the cornerback/safety hybrid mold which the team prefers.
Is this still true with Pettine?
I've read several references to hybrid players when reading about Pettine's plans for the D though his role for a particular hybrid player may differ from what it was under DC.
Mike Pettine could turn Korey Hall from a fullback into a linebacker
Brainwashed Boris posted:In Pauline's 3rd round - I disagree with the Packers taking Gaulden (I know he fit's their 'profile' at 6'1" but ran a 4.61 / 40) over guys like Justin Reid & Donte Jackson (4.32 / 40)
I'd rather give up the 2 inches in height for the thing you cannot teach (speed). TBH, I don't see how Donte makes it out of the 2nd round
FYI - Sam Shields was 5'11
Gaulden is a pretty instinctive player and really competes, I think he will end up being a good player. He probably won't be a "star" though.
TT didn't seem to follow the Ron Wolf model of taking a flyer on a QB every year at some point, I'm wondering if that's something Gute will change. If Lauletta is available in R5 that might be worth considering. Supposedly he's a sharp guy who has drawn Garoppolo comparisons. He's a better candidate to flip for a higher pick than Hundley was honestly. Lauletta looked sharp at the Senior Bowl.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Mike Pettine could turn Korey Hall from a fullback into a linebacker
When I read this, I heard Reggie's voice in my head.
#radiointoawatch
Ok you all know I live near Columbus and I have the misfortune of watching every O$U game. I am really on the fence about Ward I really am. The first part of the year and many times during the year the O$U secondary got burned (and even Suckeye fans will tell you the secondary was their weakness) especially by bigger WR's and at times it wasn't pretty.
Then something changed and he all of the sudden became a stud at CB. I think with the right coaching and motivation I think we will be very happy with him if the Packers can draft him.
Would be interesting to see the types of WR 's he went up against before the change and after.
The Heckler posted:Then something changed and he all of the sudden became a stud at CB.
*cough* Bad Horni*cough*
Grave Digger posted:TT didn't seem to follow the Ron Wolf model of taking a flyer on a QB every year at some point, I'm wondering if that's something Gute will change. If Lauletta is available in R5 that might be worth considering. Supposedly he's a sharp guy who has drawn Garoppolo comparisons. He's a better candidate to flip for a higher pick than Hundley was honestly. Lauletta looked sharp at the Senior Bowl.
Lauletta, White and Benkert intrigue me as late-round, development guys.
How about Riley Ferguson. Or Turd Jr.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Mike Pettine could turn Korey Hall from a fullback into a linebacker
Shades of Spencer Havner.
Hungry5 posted:El-Ka-Bong posted:Mike Pettine could turn Korey Hall from a fullback into a linebacker
When I read this, I heard Reggie's voice in my head.
#radiointoawatch
That was truly one of the funniest speeches I have ever heard in a sad way. He really had no clue just how ignorant he sounded in that speech. I think Reggie White was mostly a good guy, but he definitely wasn't up to speed in terms of how to look beyond racial stereotypes.
It was television into a watch.
But yeah Reggie.
Anyway he's dead so.
That was truly one of the funniest speeches I have ever heard in a sad way.
The politicians who wanted to piggyback off his fame deserved it.
The Heckler posted:Ok you all know I live near Columbus and I have the misfortune of watching every O$U game.
You do realize that is a choice you make, yes? Or is it one of these deals?
On Ward, I really like his play (and if you watch highlight reels you'll note that most of Ward's highlights are him contesting balls, where most other players highlights are them picking off crappy QB throws), but the kid is 5' 10'. He's shorter than Sam Shields. I'd worry those ball hawking skills would become moot when facing someone like Julio Jones. The NFL isn't getting any shorter.
YATittle posted:
Jeremiah's mock has us taking Davenport at 14 while Derwin James slips to 17, or so, and has Mike Hughes going in the first round. I don't see he Packers passing up James, if he is available and I feel Hughes will still be available at our 2nd Round pick, if Gute is still looking for a CB there. Nothing against Davenport, but I think James is going to be special. Just my gut talking.
Herschel posted:The Heckler posted:Then something changed and he all of the sudden became a stud at CB.
*cough* Bad Horni*cough*
Ugh I know. I was at that game and the Badgers WR's got open against O$U but he couldn't/didn't hit them. I forgot to mention Ward's height. The dude is not big at all and I would worry about him going up against the WR's like Julio Jones etc.
Yesterday, a cbs sports mock had the Packers selecting Edmunds. Only mock I have seen with him picked that low in a while.
The Heckler posted:Herschel posted:The Heckler posted:Then something changed and he all of the sudden became a stud at CB.
*cough* Bad Horni*cough*
Ugh I know. I was at that game and the Badgers WR's got open against O$U but he couldn't/didn't hit them. I forgot to mention Ward's height. The dude is not big at all and I would worry about him going up against the WR's like Julio Jones etc.
The thinking is that KK is the guy that handles the big boundary WR's (typically not that shifty) with press/man. Ward could deal with the quicker guys. Problem being when you play a team with 2 or more legit big men on the ends. That and having to constantly rotate KK to wherever the biggest WR is. I don't think MP's D likes to do that. And I can't think of any top CB's that are 5'10.
No 5'10" corner. Please!
Darrell Green sends his best wishes.
It takes a helluva lot more than height to be an effective NFL CB.
So does Terrell Buckley
I hope you're not suggesting T-Buck's only downfall was his height.
You are saying Denzel Ward is Darrell Green? You only had to go back 30 years for that precedent.
No... I am saying that to completely omit a player because of his height is stupid. I hope that clears things up.
I don't know. I wouldn't take a 4'6" QB for sure! 
Pakrz posted:Darrell Green sends his best wishes.
It takes a helluva lot more than height to be an effective NFL CB.
I generally think in terms of populations. I din't think short corners generally fare all that well, realizing there are exceptions.
But your example shows how rare such a DB is at that height.
When you're picking in RD1, are you going to defer to decades of data or the outlier? Ward's tape has to show him being effective against ALL sizes of receivers.
One other thing. Darrell Green is an incredible anomaly in that he may have been the fastest player in the history of the NFL.
And one of the longest playing. Dude was from a government lab.
To celebrate his 50th B-Day Green ran a 4.43 40. He's not human.
I'm not concerned about Ward and 5'10". Casey Hayward is 5'11" and a shade under 4.6 in the 40. Things are working out ok.
Can you play football? The scouts are pretty unanimous that Ward can in fact play a special brand of football. I'd love to get Smith. I'd rather have Fitzpatrick or James. But it's not a bad day if Ward is the pick at 14.
I kinda hope we pick up Oregon’s Tanner Carew LS. He was the only LS invited to the combine. Perhaps he lasts to the late 7th. The team feels that Goode is maybe not so "goode" and has been looking for his replacement for quite some time. And with 12 picks, what the heck, why not?
Ward did have a 39” vertical jump along with the 4.32 40 time.
Admittedly I'm not big on Ward, but I'd much rather have the versatile Fitzpatrick or James covering receivers from a safety spot in a three-safety nickel as I feel Ward's best use is lined up inside and he's not stout against the run either.
Interesting breakdown of the Derwin v. Minkah comparison. Minkah more valuable to P's D.
I just don't think GB needs to draft a S that high. Dix has the skillset. Jones is a ball player and I'm high on Brice. I'd much rather GB go in a different direction at 14.
Agreed. I posted the comparison article because of all the mocks that have shown both S being available at 14 after the top edge and CB's are gone.
