We've got a 2019 & 2020 thread. Since we're in 2021....
How about Kenny Golladay opposite Adams?
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Hey, don't forget about game breaker Devin Funchess!!!
With the reduced cap, I don't think GB is in a position to look at anyone but low and mid-tier FA's.
With the reduced cap, the market will be flooded with FA's making the talent of the low and mid-tier priced FA's equivalent to upper tier but not elite in the past.
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@BrainDed posted:With the reduced cap, the market will be flooded with FA's making the talent of the low and mid-tier priced FA's equivalent to upper tier but not elite in the past.
Correct.
Only 18 teams in the NFL are in the black. The rest of the league is underwater and in the red.
There will be bargains to be had and Gute already eluded to this. The Packers can cut a lot of dead weight cutting Monty Adams, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Oren Burks, Marcedes Lewis, WIll Redmon, Billy Winn, Lane Taylor, Preston Smith, and Kirksey.
They also may dump Tim Boyle and Sullivan (who are restricted).
Sources: #Texans QB Deshaun Watson has requested a trade from Houston. He has a no-trade clause, and by virtue of his contract, would decide what places would be acceptable.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 28, 2021
Aaron Jones’ last play in a Packers uniform, as great as he has been for 2+ years, will be the fumble that may very well have cost the Packers a trip to the Super Bowl. Not fair... kid’s a good one. One you root for.
By no means am I hoping this for Aaron Jones, but outside of GB should a team pay him the bucks he wants they are also most certainly not going to shield him from getting hurt or limiting his reps like the Packers do.
Which means they will run him into the ground and chances are high he's going to be hurt a lot. It sucks if that happens but it's simply the reality of his build and his running style.
Which then means he becomes a poster boy for why you don't pay high dollars to the RB position and guys like Derrick Henry become the exception to the rule.
@BrainDed posted:With the reduced cap, the market will be flooded with FA's making the talent of the low and mid-tier priced FA's equivalent to upper tier but not elite in the past.
Yep. I expect there will be a lot of quality players looking to take a short term contract to bridge themselves to the post covid cap era.
Will Jamaal Williams be gone, as well? Read somewhere we could lose both of our starting RBs. Betting teams sign a lot of UDFAs this year. Hope our scouts have been busy.
Think it’s humorous all the players people think are going to be jettisoned. Taylor is a good backup. I don’t get the Preston Smith bit. He had a down year but destroyed it the year before. Jones? Because he fumbled?
The other thing about the cap this year is it gives teams more bargaining power with their own players too.
The amount of players to be cut would require rebuilding half the damn roster.
I think Taylor's contract is up, Runyan's skill and low cost make him expendable. With the emergence of Gary it makes Preston kind of expendable in this context for 1 and the other part is that his contract is the most workable to cut to get some cap room. Right now we couldn't even sign our rookie class, so some moves will HAVE to be made. There are only a couple contracts that could even be restructured to gain some space.
The NFL and the NFLPA have to come to some sort of agreement to modify the cap this coming year or a lot of quality vets are going to be making league minimum next season. I think right now the vet minimum to allow for the lowest cap hit equivalent (600k) to a first-year player is 1 million. They should raise that to 2-3 million.
@michiganjoe posted:Sources: #Texans QB Deshaun Watson has requested a trade from Houston. He has a no-trade clause, and by virtue of his contract, would decide what places would be acceptable.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 28, 2021
I don't follow the Texans at all but this trade request almost seems to be on the same level of an NBA player tantrum like Harden. I wonder who is his no trade list? Seems to me that one of the ways a trade would have to work is to be flexible where he wants to go.
How does a trade work on the cap? I think the Texans would have to count his bonus on their cap but the future salary is taken on by the team he is traded to?
@Grave Digger posted:I think Taylor's contract is up, Runyan's skill and low cost make him expendable. With the emergence of Gary it makes Preston kind of expendable in this context for 1 and the other part is that his contract is the most workable to cut to get some cap room. Right now we couldn't even sign our rookie class, so some moves will HAVE to be made. There are only a couple contracts that could even be restructured to gain some space.
Preston isn't replaceable unless Gunt fucking devotes some resources to the middle of the defense. It's beyond idiotic it isn't addressed. Yes, Preston may be a cap casualty but if they don't find a solution in the middle then they better be clearing cap space elsewhere.
Right but it’s not an issue of “who do we dump for space...” it’s more about whose contract is the most beneficial to dump when it comes down to cap hit vs. dead money. No one else really offers the cap savings upside if released like Preston beyond the obvious cuts like Wagner, Kirksey and Funchess. I would also prefer Preston stay, but if they need to clear space to improve other areas then it’s not idiotic to think that’s where it will happen. You could cut Amos, but you’re only going to get like $1M of space whereas Preston’s contract gets you like $6M.
@Henry posted:Preston isn't replaceable unless Gunt fucking devotes some resources to the middle of the defense. It's beyond idiotic it isn't addressed.
Big run stopping, play making DTs grow on trees. Every other team has one. Why we don't merely pluck from the same tree of dominant DTs is beyond idiotic.
@Grave Digger posted:Right but it’s not an issue of “who do we dump for space...” it’s more about whose contract is the most beneficial to dump when it comes down to cap hit vs. dead money. No one else really offers the cap savings upside if released like Preston beyond the obvious cuts like Wagner, Kirksey and Funchess. I would also prefer Preston stay, but if they need to clear space to improve other areas then it’s not idiotic to think that’s where it will happen. You could cut Amos, but you’re only going to get like $1M of space whereas Preston’s contract gets you like $6M.
There is no way you can compare Preston to Amos. Amos had a SIGNIFICANTLY better season. Preston was disappointing the majority of the season & made no impact on the Bucs game. In addition, his replacement, Gary, played better than he did which makes him dispensable. We would have a hard time replacing Amos' snaps with any even as productive....no brainer as to who you keep between those 2. As far as Jones, we already offered him a contract making him the 5th highest paid back in the league & he turned it down, he isn't worth more than that and while Dillon may not be as versatile, I think he can be the number one back.
I really don't see Gary as a P.Smith replacement. They are very different players, at least from the standpoint of what they bring to a defensive scheme. There are things P.Smith can do that I doubt they'd ask Gary to do, and vice versa.
Yes, different body types, Gary is more like an 4-3 rush end , like Barrett from TB, not a lot of length to set edge, etc. but Preston was a disappointment this year. Some rumblings from inside coaching staff that he came into camp out of shape and did just not make plays that he did last season.
I think you’re missing the point FL. I don’t think we should get rid of either Preston or Amos, but I was really just looking at cap savings we could possibly get to maneuver on some other moves. My point was that Preston, out of everyone on the roster aside from guys like Kirksey/Wagner/etc., offers the team the best bang for your buck in terms of release. It’s no benefit to cut a veteran like Amos or ZSmith because you don’t actually net very much when you compare cap hit vs. dead money. GB could recoup $8M this year from cutting Preston and like $12M next year. If they can’t rework Rodgers/Clark/Bakh/Z to clear some space, which they should be able to and probably already have, then you have to look at the roster to gain some space.
BTW not trying to get down a rabbit hole, but Gary/Preston are almost identical in size, weight, arm length, strength, etc. They’re very similar players and I would suspect the idea all along was for Gary to replace Preston sooner or later.
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Stats versus eye test.
Tail of the tape versus eye test.
Watching them play, they are very different to me.
Whoever becomes the new D coordinator will likely have an effect on who stays, who goes, and who they potentially target in FA.
Going to be a wild offseason.
@Grave Digger posted:I think you’re missing the point FL. I don’t think we should get rid of either Preston or Amos, but I was really just looking at cap savings we could possibly get to maneuver on some other moves. My point was that Preston, out of everyone on the roster aside from guys like Kirksey/Wagner/etc., offers the team the best bang for your buck in terms of release. It’s no benefit to cut a veteran like Amos or ZSmith because you don’t actually net very much when you compare cap hit vs. dead money. GB could recoup $8M this year from cutting Preston and like $12M next year. If they can’t rework Rodgers/Clark/Bakh/Z to clear some space, which they should be able to and probably already have, then you have to look at the roster to gain some space.BTW not trying to get down a rabbit hole, but Gary/Preston are almost identical in size, weight, arm length, strength, etc. They’re very similar players and I would suspect the idea all along was for Gary to replace Preston sooner or later.
Thanks for the correction. watching them play I would not have thought they were so physically similar ....should have looked at that before posting. I still think that the two players who did not play up to their salaries and thus are most at risk for departure would be Preston & Lowry.
You save $2.3M in ‘21 for cutting Lowry but $5.8M in ‘22. I would expect this is Lowry’s last year in GB, but I’m not sure losing the DL depth is worth the savings. He’s not a starter, but he’s good depth.
I think their big differences are in how they attack Tackles. Preston’s bread and butter is power moves and his high motor. Gary seems to want to utilize his speed more often.
But is Preston's "high motor" now relegated to the end of the season?
I'd love to keep P Smith but the Packers are up against the cap and (a) they can save $8m in 2021 if they cut him and (b) have a replacement that's already on the roster. It's not really about performance, just about the cap and convenience. Never say never, but I'd be very shocked if P Smith is back next season.
@Grave Digger posted:You save $2.3M in ‘21 for cutting Lowry but $5.8M in ‘22. I would expect this is Lowry’s last year in GB, but I’m not sure losing the DL depth is worth the savings. He’s not a starter, but he’s good depth.
If this was baseball Lowry would have a WAR just above 0. He can be replaced by a rookie at 1/4 the cost with minimal loss of production if said rookie is league average.
The other option would be to exploitt the plethora of Dean Lowry types that are about to get cut across the league. We could go out and get his clone for half the price in this market.
It makes zero sense to hang on to Lowry.
The difference in Lowry’s savings is $3.3M, not $2.3, that’s my bad. The problem is yeah you can find someone for cheaper, but Lowry’s cap hit is $6.3M, dead number is $3M, so if you find someone for half his cost at $3M then you’re still paying out the same overall cap hit for a new player that may or may not be an improvement. Seems like a waste of time. Draft his replacement, ride him for another year, cut your losses and I’ve on next offseason.
You big meanie!!