Hard to say...word is that he's progressing well, and could be available before the year is out. Drafting an injured player is always a big risk, but he might just be worth it...just my two cents' worth...it's all just a thought experiment, anyway.
@Packmeister posted:Well, this turned out interesting. I decided to see how things might shake out if I traded up in the draft to nab Jameson Williams. This is on the off-chance the team thinks he's worth it, and they want to show Aaron they're all in...whatever...
I traded up with Washington, using 22 and 28, and I got #11, and #113 back. It does make it more difficult to match players to value later on. I reached with some picks, simply because it was a player I wanted, and I knew they wouldn't be there at the next pick. I didn't really land a top O-lineman. Chris Paul is ok...not great.
That appears to me to be a steep price for Williams.
@Packy posted:I hate drafting injured players but what's the timeline as far as when Jameson Williams is projected to be ready to play? WR's usually take a year or so before contributing heavily. If GB thinks he's the best WR then I can see them trading up to get him knowing that any WR they draft may not contribute heavily in year one.
So if Williams isn't ready in 2022 then 2023 is really his 1st year. And since WR don't really show much in their 1st year then we're looking at 2024 before he can be expected to contribute. I pass. Especially if it involves trading up using 2 firsts to get one back.
@Pakrz posted:Gute may just end up adding a few George's in R1. Mr. Karlaftis at 22 and Mr. Pickens at 28.
I'd do backflips if this happened. But I have a feeling the mock websites have these two guys much lower than NFL scouts do, especially Karlaftis.
@R MaN posted:That appears to me to be a steep price for Williams.
Yeah...seems that way to me, too.
@BrainDed posted:Bold prediction.
Nuthin' gets by you.
@Blair Kiel posted:Gullible people make the world go round.
Pretty sure it is fat bottomed girls.👍🏿
@R MaN posted:That appears to me to be a steep price for Williams.
Give up more to get one of the top 3 players at Edge. Thibodeaux? 😍
ESPN mock (Demovsky making the picks) has the Packers taking Burks at 22 and Karlaftis at 28.
CALL YOUR SHOT ON FIRST TWO PICKS:
#22 - OG Zion Johnson, Boston College
#28 - DT Travis Jones, UConn
they are going to give up one of their 2nd and move up in front of New Orleans and Philly and take Olave. Then the are going to take safety Daxton Hill at 28.
@Chongo posted:CALL YOUR SHOT ON FIRST TWO PICKS:
#22 - OG Zion Johnson, Boston College
#28 - DT Travis Jones, UConn
This need to be its own thread
Here's a guy who has a list of three
From Dan Graziano:
Packers' need for speed
One thing I heard: Watch out for Green Bay, despite holding two first-round picks and needing to replace Davante Adams, potentially going a different direction and taking a Day 2 receiver, such as Baylor speedster Tyquan Thornton.
The Packers have had success drafting receivers in the second round -- Adams and Jordy Nelson, among others -- and perhaps they will continue that tradition. They want to add that speed element to replace Marquez Valdes-Scantling, and the Packers believe Thornton has a high ceiling. He ran a 4.28-second 40-yard dash at the combine and acquitted himself well in interviews. The Saints also have spent a lot of time researching Thornton.
The Packers will get Aaron Rodgers pass-caching help somewhere in the draft, and other teams believe Green Bay could be a threat to move up for a blue-chip option. But that would stray from the Green Bay blueprint. -- Fowler
Another name I've heard the Packers have done a lot of work on is Virginia tight end Jelani Woods. Look, everybody wants the Packers to take a wide receiver in the first round -- something they've done only once since 1988. But they might also decide Woods is the better way to go because of his physical traits and upside.
The Packers, as much as any other team, view the draft from a long-term perspective and believe in their ability to develop players over time. -- Graziano
JF with the daily Packerswire links. We know how to find the website Mr. Kotter.
Come on Packers, throw me a bone and take this kid in the 4th round where he's projected...sick SEC afletic LB!
Damone Clark has injury issues. I was high on him, before, but he may have a bad back.
@CUPackFan posted:I'd do backflips if this happened. But I have a feeling the mock websites have these two guys much lower than NFL scouts do, especially Karlaftis.
Karlaftis compares pretty favorably to Ryan Kerrigan who went 16th. That’s a pretty good slot for Karlaftis as well. Big, young, high RAS guys don’t get passed over unless they’re real psychos, and even then it’s rare.
Yeah that was my thought too on Karlaftis. I feel the same about Travis Jones, where early on he was available in the third on these mock websites, then moved to late second now early second. And I'm thinking he's gone in the first.
Does he get dealt this weekend?
"Everyone's grade on Jordan Love for this year's draft, would be higher than the guys who are in this draft." https://t.co/Jkpr20PLvX
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) April 27, 2022
One of my brothers just texted me said he heard on radio Love and a first being floated to Washington for McLaurin
He is in the last year of his contract I believe. He would need to do an extension before the trade to give up that much. Maybe Love and a 3rd or 4th, but not a 1st and Love.
Washington won’t trade for Love this year since those doofuses already traded picks and will take a big cap hit for that world-beater, Carson Wentz. Plus McLaurin is the face of that franchise these days.
@packerboi posted:Does he get dealt this weekend?
"Everyone's grade on Jordan Love for this year's draft, would be higher than the guys who are in this draft." https://t.co/Jkpr20PLvX
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) April 27, 2022
Highly doubtful, IMO. I still have the feeling they’re thinking Rodgers for two more years and Love starts on his fifth-year option.
@packerboi posted:Does he get dealt this weekend?
"Everyone's grade on Jordan Love for this year's draft, would be higher than the guys who are in this draft." https://t.co/Jkpr20PLvX
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) April 27, 2022
I think any player is available for trade given the right offer. They are in an enviable position with Love, he’s very affordable and young, so they have the leverage. If a teams wants him then GB will either need to recoup their value (i.e. 1st and 4th value) plus something extra to sweeten the deal. According to the trade value chart that is exactly pick 28, so a straight up swap has to be higher than 28. Coincidently that value is almost exactly the difference of moving from 22 to 8, which is owned by the QB needy Falcons. Love + 22 for 8 overall? 😁
IMO they should keep Love unless they get a deal too good to pass up. He knows the system, he is cheap and he may turn out to be a player.
I think a mid second round pick would be too good a deal to pass up.
If Karlaftis is there at 22 I don’t see a scenario where the Packers pass on him even if there’s a good WR sitting there.
I don’t think he’s as good or as refined of a pass rusher as Kerrigan was coming out of Purdue, but he’s still a decent talent that could come in and make an impact right away.
Which pretty much means the Pack will not pick Burks..
A lot of Treylon Burks to Packers in final mocks. https://t.co/Kf39gQMTzG
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) April 28, 2022
The Athletic's final mock from this morning...
Round 1, pick No. 14 (via Ravens): Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State
In one of the shockers of Thursday night, the Packers not only select a wide receiver in the first round for the first time in 20 years, but Gutekunst trades up eight spots to do so. He really is valuing Aaron Rodgers’ input more on decisions that directly affect the quarterback’s job. So Gutekunst deals picks Nos. 22 and 59 to the Ravens (valued at 1,090 points on the Jimmy Johnson trade chart, while No. 14 is valued at 1,100) to nab the receiver who some consider the best one in the draft.
Armed with plenty of draft capital this year, Gutekunst is content to give up one of his two second-round picks to make a big move up for a player he wants, something he did for cornerback Jaire Alexander in 2018. Alabama wideout Jameson Williams goes to the Jets at No. 10, and the Packers leapfrog the Eagles, Chargers and Saints anticipating a run on receivers (Wilson, USC’s Drake London, Ohio State’s Chris Olave and even Arkansas’ Treylon Burks) before pick No. 22.
The Athletic’s draft guru Dane Brugler: “Wilson needs continued route refinement, but he makes the playbook come alive with his ability to get open before and after the catch thanks to his athleticism and instincts. With his slender frame, elite body control, and catch-point skills, he reminds me of CeeDee Lamb.”
Round 1, No. 28: Logan Hall, Edge, Houston
Gutekunst isn’t afraid to use a first-round pick on a reserve edge rusher. Rashan Gary was the No. 12 pick in 2019, and he spent his entire rookie season as the No. 4 option behind Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith and Kyler Fackrell. With Za’Darius having signed with the Vikings in free agency and Whitney Mercilus retired, Green Bay has a glaring need behind Preston Smith and Gary, who both played less than 64 percent of the team’s defensive snaps last season.
Brugler: “Hall has some tweener traits and lacks consistency, but with additional coaching, he can be a matchup weapon thanks to his athletic versatility, body length and disruptive nature. He projects as an NFL starting edge rusher who can slide inside in subpackages.”
Round 2, No. 53: Jamaree Salyer, OL, Georgia
Without Lucas Patrick, Billy Turner and Elgton Jenkins for potentially the first half of the season, the Packers need offensive line depth and perhaps even a starter since they don’t know if Yosh Nijman can play right tackle as well as he did left tackle last season. Salyer played all five positions on the O-line in college, starting at left tackle during the Bulldogs’ national title run. Brugler projects him as a guard in the NFL. The jury is still out on Royce Newman at right guard.
Brugler: “Salyer is very efficient in his setup and plays with outstanding body control, balance and core strength to stay centered through contact. Although he tends to get narrow with his steps and has some bad habits, he understands depth, angles and how to effectively respond with his hands.”
Round 3, No. 92: Alec Pierce, WR, Cincinnati
Gutekunst doubles down on receivers in the first two days, giving the Packers a sure-handed option in Pierce, who comes from the same offense as 2020 third-rounder Josiah Deguara. Mike Denbrock, Cincinnati’s offensive coordinator, was the offensive coordinator at Notre Dame in 2014 when Matt LaFleur coached quarterbacks.
Brugler: “Pierce is still adding branches to his route tree, but he is a pass-catching weapon who is at his best vertically with his springy athleticism and ball-tracking skills. He can be a down-the-road starter.”
Round 4, No. 132: Isaiah Likely, TE, Coastal Carolina
With Robert Tonyan returning from a torn ACL, the Packers add pass-catching insurance with a dynamic weapon who can line up inside or outside.
Brugler: “Likely needs to be more physical and efficient as a blocker, but he has playmaking potential thanks to his loose athleticism before and after the catch and body coordination to make remarkable adjustments on the football. He projects as an “F” tight end with NFL starting potential.”
Round 4, No. 140: J.T. Woods, S, Baylor
Henry Black, another Baylor product, was the Packers’ No. 3 safety. They didn’t bring him back despite the fact he was only an exclusive rights free agent, so they need better depth behind Adrian Amos and Darnell Savage Jr. besides just Vernon Scott, who couldn’t get on a game-day roster last year.
Brugler: “Woods needs to improve his discipline and tackling skills, but he has appealing traits with his plus speed, long arms and nose for the football in the run game and coverage. He might get some looks at cornerback by press-heavy teams.”
Round 5, No. 171: Velus Jones Jr., WR, Tennessee
Say hello to your new return man, Packers fans. The SEC Co-Special Teams Player of the Year can also provide depth at wide receiver.
Brugler: “Jones has a limited route tree and is still developing his rhythm as a receiver, but he has a smooth accelerator with solid ball skills. He offers value as a return man, special-teamer and back-end-of-the-roster receiver (similar to Pharoh Cooper).”
Round 7, No. 228: Damone Clark, LB, LSU
Brugler: “Clark is a good-sized athlete and consistently stays ahead of schedule due to his play speed and ball-hunting skills, but he needs to expand his tunnel vision vs. the run and pass to be a complete NFL player. A projected Day 2 draft pick based on talent, he is expected to miss his rookie season in the NFL due to recent spinal surgery, which will be an anchor on his draft projection.”
Round 7, No. 249: Chris Hinton, DL, Michigan
Brugler: “Hinton is stout at contact with the base strength to hold his ground, but his lack of range and explosive traits significantly limit his next level impact. He projects as an early-down NFL backup.”
Round 7, No. 258: Matt Waletzko, OT, North Dakota
Brugler: “Waletzko has length that cannot be coached along with functional foot/body quickness, but he must continue developing his strength and stature before he is ready for live NFL reps. He has legitimate NFL upside but will require patience.”
I like Wilson, Hall, Pierce, maybe Salyer (but later), yes on JT Woods, yes on Velus Jones. No on Clark and Hinton. Waletzko late is a good pick.
Instead of the Salyer pick there, how about a difference-making Edge or ILB? Someone like Chad Muma, for instance...
Trade thought: Love & #22 to Houston for #13 & #37
But, I keep going back to the comments about how if Love was in this draft he'd be in the conversation of being in the top 2 or 3 QBs. So, if that is accurate why trade him unless it is an offer they can't refuse?
I heard from a friend of mine who works for an NFL team that word on the street is the Packers are open to trading Love if it's for a 2nd or better, and it would have to be high enough 2nd at that. Teams have offered as much as a high 4th, and the Packers have basically laughed it off.
This is all driven by the fact Love and his agent are saying he wants to play, not so much that the Packers have given up on him.
My gut says the Packers won't be trading him.
Any projected draft grades out yet? Wondering what the media thinks about the Packers' future picks.
@Packmeister posted:I like Wilson, Hall, Pierce, maybe Salyer (but later), yes on JT Woods, yes on Velus Jones. No on Clark and Hinton. Waletzko late is a good pick.
Instead of the Salyer pick there, how about a difference-making Edge or ILB? Someone like Chad Muma, for instance...
Personally, I think Likely is going to be a bust. I think 4th round is a major stretch for him...he's more likely a round 6-7 to UDFA guy IMO.