I really like Travis Jones in the Second Round.
Too many draft folks look at what they perceive as what a team needs then they project a player to fit that perceived need. For example, Turner is gone at RT, that means that the Packers will draft a RT in the first round. Sometimes it’s true but often it’s more about value. Get the highest rated player who fits what the team likes would be a better idea. Yah, some position players may be lacking but how high of a draft pick are you willing to part with for that player to fill that position? Also, what about the next four years? Drafting should always be about the future rather than trying to overcompensate for the present.
@CUPackFan posted:Gute has actually only traded down once - with the Saints for Alexander and a future 1. So odds are Gute will be moving up with the extra ammo he has. I don't agree with that. I think this draft has depth where the Packers are drafting and this team desperately needs cheap talent. Guess we'll see.
And the Jaire move was a combination of moving down and up. Move down to get the 2019 1st round pick then move back up for Jaire.
@YATittle posted:An interesting mock
The “Fuck you, Chongo “ draft with Faalele and Doubs. Admittedly I’d be cool with it from 59 on but don’t like Falafel at all either.
@Floridarob posted:they have 11 picks. they dont need 11 new players. they need a couple of receivers, a OT and DL, a TE and a safety. Move up to get the quality over the quantity. They already have a roster full of average to fair players.
You named 6 right there and didn't include a rotational EDGE to give 52 and 91 a break and a backup ILB. You're right we don't need 11. I just would rather not trade any of our first 5 picks to move up. I see no issue trading a 5th or 6th to move around if there is someone there that you really want. Gute has pissed away picks to move up to take marginal talent on multiple occassions. Of course it it works out and its really "their guy", that's great.
The consensus from most draftnicks. Is that the Packers will draft a WR high. I expect that to be the case. Yet, I don’t expect a full replacement for Adams. That would be near impossible. https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...nd-drops-at-receiver
However, they could get value early in the draft at that position. Maybe a twofer. What I don’t get is picking an Offensive Right Tackle high in the first round this year. Many posters here have made plenty of legitimate cases for other positions.
Chris Simms, top-5 WRs:
Fat-lele is the last OL the Packers would take...he is not a ZBS OL. Best suited to a pro-style offense where he doesn't have to move a ton.
@Johnny Z posted:Chris Simms, top-5 WRs:
Interesting how high he has Pierce....
@Johnny Z posted:Chris Simms, top-5 WRs:
So many fatsos.😭
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JZ back around - coincidence?
@Johnny Z posted:Chris Simms, top-5 WRs:
Reading what he says about London how the hell does he have him that high in a draft with so many good receiving prospects?
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I really like him; one of the greatest 50-50 ball receivers I’ve ever seen. His size is elite, uses it to benefit his skill set/play. His route running is good.
He doesn’t pull away from defenders, separation does concern me, that is why he is number 5 for me. Lacks true line explosion and power. Yards after catch are not great, doesn’t break tackles nor break away from defensive backs.
@YATittle posted:An interesting mock
Like the Olave pick.
Hate the Falalala pick. He seems more like a 6th/7th round pick.
Thomas is a little iffy for that high of a pick, but if he happens to be BPA...
Jones and Woods are good picks, and seem to have plenty of value.
Doubs is another iffy, but maybe for ST/Returner.
Like the Weatherford pick; I love big hitters. It'd be nice to have a better version of Chuck Cecil.
5th and 6th round picks are meh. Same applies like Thomas and Doubs. I'd like to see them get better prospects, especially for the 5th round.
Baker Jr. is worth a 7th round pick.
@Floridarob posted:they have 11 picks. they dont need 11 new players. they need a couple of receivers, a OT and DL, a TE and a safety. Move up to get the quality over the quantity. They already have a roster full of average to fair players.
I would argue they do.
2 or 3 WRs
OT (possibly 2)
DL
2x Edge
2x Safety
ILB
LS (? there are two good ones coming out so maybe a 7th)
TE
CB
Depth and Special Teams are important too.
Faalele has big Aaron Gibson vibes
Another WR visit
Another one...
My Friday Mock Draft Experiment: Theme of the Day - Trade Down...not saying this will happen, by any means - simply a thought experiment.
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I know, right? 9 out of the top 150, though...how sweet would that be? One of the things I do with the trades is reject any that include picks for the following year. That would be one way to bolster the draft for next year, though, similar to the way Bellichik did with the Pats, and it would lessen the number of picks in this year's draft.
I mean it follows ‘you don’t pick a name’ philosophy but too many guys - our roster is pretty good despite what we think it only has a few openings really and we need some impact st players at the most. I hope the smartest guy in the room shit doesn’t become the theme-pick the best player don’t reach and trust the board.
I fully expect the Pack to move all over the place in this draft. With two 1sts, two 2nds, and two 4ths, there will be some wheeling and dealing for sure. Maybe 1 or 2 of those picks go somewhere for established talent as well.
@YATittle posted:
I love the comparison, but why is he projected as a 2nd or 3rd round pick?
However, I like players with smerts, disciplined route runs, and good hands.
He would be a good pick at either of our 2nd round picks. It may allow the opportunity to use pick 53 to trade up/down if the draft guys think he would last to 59.
It's never really BPA. You work the board to get need and value to meet.
@DH13 posted:It's never really BPA. You work the board to get need and value to meet.
Aaron Rodgers 2005 was BPA.
I would say the only position off the board in the first three rounds is QB (and obviously K or P).
The portions of biggest strength are CB and RB. You can never have too many CBs and they only have 2 RBs.
Pete Thamel's latest mock from the Athletic...
22. Green Bay Packers: Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama
Losing Davante Adams is a big blow to the Packers, to Aaron Rodgers and to what is now a very suspect receiver room. Williams, who started his career in the loaded Ohio State receiver room, is coming off an ACL injury suffered during the second quarter of the national title game and probably won’t return to about 100% until midseason. But he is elite and a good value selection here.
His explosiveness at 6-foot-1 1/2 is too much to pass up, even with Burks available. In 2021, Williams had 79 catches for 1,572 yards, an Alabama record, and 15 touchdowns. His big-play potential is enormous, as evidenced by his FBS-leading four touchdowns of 70-plus yards last season. He also had 11 TDs of 30 yards or more, best in the country. As a kick returner, he averaged 35.2 yards with two touchdowns.
The Coaching Intel
“His speed is ridiculous. He runs away from people who are fast and makes them not look fast. He could be in the slot; can run a deep crossing route; is a dangerous return guy.”
“He has elite speed, ball skills and body control. A lot of guys are fast, but they can’t really control their body. He comes out of his breaks so well, tracks the ball well, and it’s his ability to move laterally that really separates him.”
“He has such elite speed and length. You’ve got to find ways to disrupt his timing. If you let him run free in zone (coverage), he’ll eat you up.”
“That this guy couldn’t get on the field as a receiver at Ohio State (where he only caught 15 passes) is kind of mind-blowing.”
28. Green Bay Packers: Bernhard Raimann, OT, Central Michigan
I almost had Cross going here, but I think the Pack choose the one-time Austrian exchange student who really blossomed in the Mid-American Conference after converting from tight end. Neither Cross nor Raimann has great size relative to the other top tackles. Cross has more length; Raimann is stronger. Both are very athletic. Raimann, who broad-jumped 9-9 and clocked a 5.05 40 at 6-foot-6, 303 pounds, has really impressed coaches with his technique, but he still needs a lot of polish.
The Coaching Intel
“I liked his physicality. He could displace the D-linemen. He’s got very good feet, good balance and played with great pad level and stayed square. He really stood out.”
“His feet are excellent, and he shows a lot of athleticism, but you can tell he’s still working some things out in his pass sets, and he’s probably gonna get exposed for a while by better guys at the next level.”
Jameson is a tempting option, but when can he contribute? I would think we need someone who can start sooner rather than later...
Granted, ACL's aren't the career-enders they used to be, but it is a serious injury...Bakhtiari was out all year, last year, when we thought he would be back in the 2nd half of the season...
I would prefer Lucas over Raimann. Converted tight ends are scary, as draft picks. Give me a guy who's played the position the whole time....just my 2 cents' worth...
Imagine a FO in Green Bay that could imagine filling the 5th WR spot with a special teams ace who can't really play WR very well at all.
all.https://www.nfl.com/news/belichick-compares-matthew-slater-s-importance-on-special-teams-to-tom-brady-law
I'm all for drafting an ace return man. I would have paid Desmond Howard receiver money just to keep him on the roster returning kicks. I know he wanted to be a receiver, too, but I think if we had offered him top money, he would have stayed with the Packers. He never did much as a receiver with Oakland, but he was a star in Green Bay, as you are all aware.
@Packmeister posted:Jameson is a tempting option, but when can he contribute? I would think we need someone who can start sooner rather than later...
Granted, ACL's aren't the career-enders they used to be, but it is a serious injury...Bakhtiari was out all year, last year, when we thought he would be back in the 2nd half of the season...
I would prefer Lucas over Raimann. Converted tight ends are scary, as draft picks. Give me a guy who's played the position the whole time....just my 2 cents' worth...
I’m OK with GB taking a chance on this kid. Same for the Michigan OLB.
Gonna be an exciting draft. Jordan Love to Pittsburgh for Claypool?👀😂
gutey doesn't draft injured guys with top picks. tt did.
Drafting a punter? Not bloody likely.
"Green Bay will send the 22nd, 92nd and 140th picks to the L.A. Chargers in return for the 17th pick, which they will use to select Ohio State receiver Chris Olave."
I will run screaming from the TV if that happens... I like Olave, but there's no need to trade up like that for a WR.
That dude's been drinkin' bong water...
I saw a PFF mock that said Jameson Williams is expected back "by the begninning of camp". I have no idea what he's basing that on but if there is enough smoke coming from that direction, he'll be gone before 22.