@ammo posted:Do you think Olave will last until #28? Maybe trade the 28 and the 3rd to move up to 8 and get Olave with the #22nd.
I'm not sure Olave will last till 16 unless he gets caught with a bag of coke.
Package #28 and #59 and move up to early teens? Would that be enough to move that far?
@Chongo posted:I want no part of Faalale...keep that fat fuck in the state of Minnesota. He will eat himself out of the league.
Projects to be an "average starter."
@Chongo posted:I am entitling this mock "Dream from Heaven,"
I was able to trade up into the 8 spot using my 3rd (having 2 2nds made this easy to swallow) and grab a premiere edge player. I was still able to get one of the top impact WR in Olave, and trade up with a 7th to #38 to also snag Watson. Got the top TE in the draft, and a more athletic Deguara option. 4 premium weapons for 12 and/or 10 to work with.
Last three are core ST type guys. This won't happen, but it was highly entertaining to do.
I think you would need to offer more to move to the 8th pick.
I am not high on Olave.
I can't wait until the draft is over. All the passing and moaning is going to be epic.
Not sure which former OSU receiver will go first, Wilson or Olave. Both are very good.
It'd likely take the 22nd and 28th pick to move to 8.
EDIT: Draft chart has the 8th pick worth 1,400, 22nd pick worth 780, and 29th worth 660. So it'd be a starting point but may not be enough.
@CUPackFan posted:It'd likely take the 22nd and 28th pick to move to 8.
EDIT: Draft chart has the 8th pick worth 1,400, 22nd pick worth 680, and 29th worth 660. So it'd be a starting point but may not be enough.
Price is too steep.
And trading up from #53 to #38 would likely take the Packers 3rd round pick to make that trade happen. Your trades are pretty unrealistic and likely why your draft turned into your dream scenario.
Draft pick value chart - these values are just a reference point but help if you're trying to mock trades.
I wonder if the Packers might view Olave as small. He's similar to Greg Jennings (whom I think 6' 200# was generous) but thinner and maybe maxed out. Wilson only looks larger by comparison as he's not exactly stout.
In other words: Olave doesn't appear to be a guy who can "get dirty" or make catches when banging in traffic. He's more of a guy with a fake and a cut who needs to leave his corner wondering where he went or blows buy a guy either with the ball already in his hands or getting deep.
Going by who Gutekunst has drafted and the admission they want their wide receivers to be good blockers, I'm wondering if he prefers London and Burks to the OSU duo outright.
@CUPackFan posted:Draft pick value chart - these values are just a reference point but help if you're trying to mock trades.
I think the Mock Draft Database is the best for actual trade value when you stick with "Strict" for the trade settings. NFL Mock Draft Simulator | NFL Mock Draft Database
@Herschel posted:I wonder if the Packers might view Olave as small. He's similar to Greg Jennings (whom I think 6' 200# was generous) but thinner and maybe maxed out. Wilson only looks larger by comparison as he's not exactly stout.
In other words: Olave doesn't appear to be a guy who can "get dirty" or make catches when banging in traffic. He's more of a guy with a fake and a cut who needs to leave his corner wondering where he went or blows buy a guy either with the ball already in his hands or getting deep.
Going by who Gutekunst has drafted and the admission they want their wide receivers to be good blockers, I'm wondering if he prefers London and Burks to the OSU duo outright.
I think the kid for Arkansas (Burks) is going to be our dude if he's there. Just a hunch.
I like Burks. Appears to have some of the versatility that MLF values.
@Chongo posted:I'm not sure Olave will last till 16 unless he gets caught with a bag of coke.
I tend to agree with you, I’ll say maybe 25% chance he falls to the Pack at 22, but unlikely.
I’m thinking Pack will go WR with 1 of those 1st rounders and Edge\DT\DE (most likely edge rusher) with the other. I think the Pack was just so injured and beat up at Edge rusher last year they won’t want to be caught short there even with 2 very good starters.
I have read many with doubts about Olave so I think there's a good chance he drops in the first round.... some suggesting he's peaked. Think Burks may be a better fit anyway.
Really have trouble seeing Gutey staying put at #22 and #28. Think it's likely he can still get the players he wants while picking up some extra picks in the process.
The more I read on him, the more I like Burks. Productive in college. 6'2", 225lbs... Huge hands (5XL gloves). This guy could be highly productive in GB with the elements.
I still think we don't see WR until the second round
Just did this mock on Draft Network:
22: Drake London WR USC
28: Chris Olave WR OSU
53: Jacquan Brisker S Penn St
59: Dare Rosenthal OT KY
92: Zachary Carter IDL Florida
132: Tyrese Robinson IOL Oklahoma
140: Chigoziem Okonkwo TE Maryland
171: Isaac Taylor-Stuart CB USC
228: LaBryan Ray IDL Alabama
249: Christopher Allen EDGE Alabama
Two prime WRs landed for GB in the 1st Round.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:I still think we don't see WR until the second round
If they pick a wideout in the first it’s evidence that Gute is really kissing up to AR12. Pick the best defenders or OTs you can find in the first and take the best WR or 2 you can get in the 2nd.
WRs are a dime a dozen. Every year you mofos bring up the fact that the draft has an unusual number of good WRs. Every year! Why? Because it is not unusual. TT didn’t draft WRs in the first round and neither does Gute. You can find great ones in the second and 3rd round.
@Goalline posted:WRs are a dime a dozen. Every year you mofos bring up the fact that the draft has an unusual number of good WRs. Every year! Why? Because it is not unusual. TT didn’t draft WRs in the first round and neither does Gute. You can find great ones in the second and 3rd round.
But they do need someone who can contribute right away.
@Goalline posted:WRs are a dime a dozen. Every year you mofos bring up the fact that the draft has an unusual number of good WRs. Every year! Why? Because it is not unusual. TT didn’t draft WRs in the first round and neither does Gute. You can find great ones in the second and 3rd round.
We needed WR depth before Adams and MVS left and this FO has done a poor job of drafting pass catchers. I could see them drafting 2 in the first 2 rounds.
@D J posted:But they do need someone who can contribute right away.
Get a couple of middling veterans.
I think they should draft a tall WR with a big backside in round 1. You can't waste enough picks on those guys.
@Chongo posted:I'm not sure Olave will last till 16 unless he gets caught with a bag of coke.
If he gets caught with coke Dallas might move up to draft him.
Drake London having his own pro day April 5th...we will know a lot more about where he projects after that day. My guess is a top 15 pick at worst.
I don't have any exp with draft stuff, but I just looked at the 'rankings' on nfl.com for their sort of impact, there isn't any crazy talented guys this year like there usually is...sucks to suck this year, at least according to that scale...by the time the end of the first round hits, you got guys projecting as 'possible starter/bottom of roster' type guys...man wth is going on out here, is it a weak draft generally? or does this guy making these proclamations out to lunch.
Actually, I think it is fairly deep, and it's more like a class that is much broader in talent than one where you have a few clear, stand-out guys. The Packers should find good value at 22 and 28, if they stand pat. Part of it is the lack of franchise-caliber quarterbacks in this draft. But EDGE and WR are particularly deep through the first two to three rounds, WR more so.
Edge is ridiculously deep compared to most years. It depends on what you’re looking for, sure. Guys like Hutchinson and Karlaftis are probably better suited to a 4-3, while guys like Bonitto and Sanders a 3-4. The guys who can do either, Walker, Johnson, Ojabo, etc. are also in relative abundance.
If Ojabo falls to the Packers, they are not passing on him. They will let him sit out until he's ready...Gute won't pass on that value.
@Fedya posted:Then why can't the Packers find any beyond Adams?
The Packers have lots of WRs. Enough to have one of the best offenses in the league. Unfortunately, 50% of X4 think this is fantasy football.
@Chongo posted:If Ojabo falls to the Packers, they are not passing on him. They will let him sit out until he's ready...Gute won't pass on that value.
If they view the knee to be structurally sound beyond the ACL, they should totally do it. There is some risk, but medical science as it is today, it isn't a massive risk.
Ojabo has the Achilles tear. The ACL is the WR from Bama.
How would you feel about a spam draft? Something like:
22: Daxton Hill DB Michigan
28: Boye Mafe OLB Minnesota
53: Travis Jones DT UConn
59: Nicholas Petit-Frere OT Ohio State
92: Alec Pierce WR Cincinnati
132: Jake Ferguson TE Wisconsin
140: Romeo Doubs WR Nevada
171: Erik Ezukanma WR Texas Tech
228: Smoke Monday S Auburn
249: Kalon Barnes CB Baylor or Jalen Nailor WR Michigan State
258: Ali Fayad OLB Western Michigan
Rd 1/2 Guys you hope hit early at other positions
Rd 3/4/5 Guys who catch passes
Rd 7 Special teamers and hopefully depth.
@Goalline posted:If they view the knee to be structurally sound beyond the ACL, they should totally do it. There is some risk, but medical science as it is today, it isn't a massive risk.
Not a knee, Achilles. With surgery, takes conservatively 6-9 months to subject it to full workload, conservatively about year but the good news is once the Achilles is repaired and reinforced it seldom ever tears again.
My guess is 2022 will be a wash for Ojabo, but someone is going to get another Rashan Gary type tallant. Worth the #22 overall pick IMO.
Schefter working as the mouthpiece for Ojabo's agent putting out there "he will be back in 6 months," as if it's fact. Lots of variables and that is best case scenario if the rehab goes perfect and the scar tissue develops as it should (vertically). 9 months is a more realistic goal. Maybe in 6 months they can put full load bearing back on it and train as such, but there will be a solid 6 months of atrophy. They will try to mitigate it, but if you cannot work the calf muscle at the same level, you won't maintain it. There WILL be atrophy...they will be able to minimize it a bit, but 6 months is just fantasy.