Because the Packers aren't getting into the playoffs!
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People don’t want to hear it but keep losing.
Would have been nice for AZ and the NYG to pull out a W but top 5 is looking closer to reality
Two of their last games are vs. CAR and CHI. Could get really interesting.
Right now it looks like there are so many needs. But OL and S should be at the top of the list though S seems like a devalued position across the league. They need another RB and may "need" to draft a QB if they are in position for one of the top guys.
Yep those games against Carolina and Chicago will be interesting. If I had to guess it will be a race to tank as much as possible with talent such as Marvin Harrison available.
As for the needs the Packers need to fill I would think OL will be at the very top of the needs. Other needs are safety, ILB, they still need playmakers at WR IMHO, and I personally think they desperately need a RB.
IF they stick with Love, in no specific order:
Left Tackle.
Center.
Safety.
RB.
CB.
*QB: Gute needs to take a QB somewhere in the draft. Preferably in the 1st 3 rounds. At the very least, bring in decent competition and insurance against injury.
First order of business all new coaching staff and GM. Can’t bring at the very least the shitshow coaching staff back.
Jim Harbaugh - Make it Happen. Need an entire flip of the Fluffy Beta Boy Cheerleader script.
JLove is getting Milfed I don’t think everything is completely on him - but it’s trending very poorly
Sister Christian is a shitshow and looks like he owes his success he flashed last season to Aaron
Need to bring in some NFL receivers
I expected this to be a growing year. With an exciting offense that would flash and show potential.
So far it’s like watching the Iowa Hawkeyes Offense 2.0
I watch other games and I see imagination on offense picks, drags, rubs, motion with purpose
Our trenches on both sides of the ball are horrible
Other than Edge. Which we have a lot of money now and draft capital in. This team needs an infusion of good football players everywhere.
Hopefully ROBGT can FaceTime a few GM’s and get any kind of capital or even player for player trades.
@Iowacheese posted:I expected this to be a growing year. With an exciting offense that would flash and show potential.
So far it’s like watching the Iowa Hawkeyes Offense 2.0
I watch other games and I see imagination on offense picks, drags, rubs, motion with purpose
Though it wasn't many, it seems like every other team I've seen play this year has an offense that looks like a machine. Not necessarily dominant or high scoring, but all the parts look like they work together to make a play successful. Even on the non-win downs, it doesn't usually look like a chaotic fire drill when a play gets blown up. It's usually the D stunting someone or a particular player flashing to blow things up.
The GB O almost feels like watching a pickup game with guys who never play together just making it up as they go. Almost all the parts of the machine are misaligned. The offense was a grind last year too but AR was usually on the same page with just enough guys to squeeze success out of it enough to win 8 games.
The problem with assessing Love is the OL has been a trainwreck, and MLF isn’t exactly putting him in a great position to succeed.
Still, will his deep throws improve or his ability to read and release the ball more quickly improve? I’m not so sure.
The draft is going to be interesting because if Caleb Williams does go pro he’s likely going 1 or 2. Chicago won’t pass him up IMO if they end up there. He said he doesn’t want to play for Arizona and if the Giants continue to suck he could end up there. Marvin Williams Jr will go top 3 and I have to believe Drake Maye will as well.
The Packers need a LT and there are several very good ones in the top 15 but if they end up picking 1-3 there is no way they can pass up on MW or the two QBs.
As for head coach, I don’t know what to think about Harbaugh but what I do think is if he becomes available the Bears will go after him hard. Honestly, so should the Packers. The guy has a shelf life of 4-5 years but he’s won everywhere he’s been. MLF isn’t the guy.
Harbaugh's problems may keep him from being able to jump to the NFL with the FBI now investigating Michigan football.
I honestly don't think they will fire the whole coaching staff and GM this offseason. I think they will all be given enough leash for 2024 season to see if the rebuild is working. If its not I fully expect it to happen during or after next season. But, I do think the coaches who better watch out after this season could be the OL coach, OC, and Dingle Barry.
If the Packers are in the position to get a player like Harrison in the draft you make that pick in 4 seconds. Then hit the OL hard in the draft after that.
As for Harbaugh not sure if I would want him in GB. Sure he has won everywhere he has gone but if a change is made I kind of would like to see a defensive minded coach take over. Plus I do think if he goes to the NFL Chicago would be the place I think he would take over.
If we are top 3 I don't want any of the QB's. The team is not ready to put a 1st year QB in a position to succeed. So often these guys are talented but get thrown to the wolves on shit teams and their confidence gets crushed.
I'd rather start by building the line or taking Harrison Jr depending on our slot. If we can fall back and still get Harrison Jr, then do that and take the extra picks. If we are just outside the top, then go with the best LT.
We can address QB via trade or Free Agency a year or two later when the roster is ready to compete. I don't know why conventional wisdom says take QB 1 when it rarely works these days.
Harbaugh - Draft JJ MCCarthy. Play the Michigan fight song before every game.
no harbaugh, don't you guys remember his douchery when he was with the 49ers? no thanks.
problem is that if we have gutey in charge, he will pass on the obvious picks and pick based on being the smartest guy in the room, which is ras based and not football ready...project in 4 years; maybe; just in time to have to re-sign them. it's clear to me that strategy in the first round is not the greatest. heck even the second, although he has hit on a few 2nd rounders. I look at first round misses and you just can't have that. if gutey is here, i have no faith he will pick the best prospect by consensus, because he usually doesn't. he's the smartest guy...it's beyond me. everything is a project with that guy, today's NFL doesn't have time for that, if you rely on the draft, they better be ready to play with upside. the old school TT way of doing it is different today.
If we're in a position to draft Marvin Harrison and pass then that will be historically dumb. The guy is a generational talent and we have absolutely nothing at WR that can threaten a defense.
Right now we're picking 6th. GB could easily trade DOWN into the early teens, pick up an extra 2nd + 2025 pick, grab a Tackle that we like and then have enough ammo to slide back UP into the 20's if there is a receiver we like. The other Ohio St. WR Egbuka is also REALLY good.
Miami Safety Kinchens looks like he will be legit as well, he's probably a guy you get after a trade down.
If you grab a Tackle high, I would move Tom to Center, look for another veteran OT for 2024 or look at another OT in the midrounds. Myers gotta go, he's a weak link. Re-sign JRJ and I think the OL is in much better shape with a better Center making the calls.
@DH13 posted:Two of their last games are vs. CAR and CHI. Could get really interesting.
Right now it looks like there are so many needs. But OL and S should be at the top of the list though S seems like a devalued position across the league. They need another RB and may "need" to draft a QB if they are in position for one of the top guys.
This team needs to go BPA. They are bad at every position except edge and corner, and even then our CB's are miscast for this defense.
@lovepack posted:So twenty draft picks should do it.
No, 30.
No one truly drafts BPA anymore, if they ever did. They draft BPA that also addresses a need. Need certainly influences picks. Most front offices are on a short enough lease where they have to at least look like they're addressing their teams' shortcomings in the draft. There aren't many organizations left where they give a GM ten years for all the BPA's to fill in all the wholes by numbers. There are other avenues to roster improvement but the draft is typically the cheapest.
@H5 posted:Harbaugh's problems may keep him from being able to jump to the NFL with the FBI now investigating Michigan football.
Sounds like he might be coaching the Mean Machine.
@DH13 posted:No one truly drafts BPA anymore, if they ever did. They draft BPA that also addresses a need.
Well, that won't be tough for this team. We need everything.
@BrainDed posted:If we are top 3 I don't want any of the QB's. The team is not ready to put a 1st year QB in a position to succeed. So often these guys are talented but get thrown to the wolves on shit teams and their confidence gets crushed.
I'd rather start by building the line or taking Harrison Jr depending on our slot. If we can fall back and still get Harrison Jr, then do that and take the extra picks. If we are just outside the top, then go with the best LT.
We can address QB via trade or Free Agency a year or two later when the roster is ready to compete. I don't know why conventional wisdom says take QB 1 when it rarely works these days.
Offensive line is priority one. Another first round qb will not do any better with this piece of shit line with guys like Newman, Myers, Rhyan and Walker in front of them. Draft Joe Alt for LT, keep Jenkins at LG, Tom at C and figure out the right side from there. They need to pick up a FA vet receiver to teach the young guys how to be pros.
There are 3-4 really good OTs slotted to go in the top 15 picks this upcoming year.
If the goal is to keep Love, I have to believe that’s their #1 priority in the draft. It just depends where GB ends up. Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, and Marvin Harrison Jr are all going top 3 IMO.
Assuming Bak is released they will have about 40M in cap space next year. They’d pick up another 5M if Aaron Jones is cut.
Right now we have $17.65M of cap space. We gain an extra $21.4M when we release Bakhtiari at any point, which is almost guaranteed to happen, so effectively we will have $39M of cap space. There's another $5.4M in savings to cut Aaron Jones, $2.7M to cut Preston Smith, $3M to cut De'Vondre Campbell, $6.5M to cut Rasul Douglas, and $3M to cut Kenny Clark. I don't see many of those as likely, at least not until they see how they come out of the draft and free agency to replace them.
Our UFA's look like:
- OT Yosh Nijman
- CB Keisean Nixon
- DB Darnell Savage
- S Rudy Ford
- S Dallin Leavitt
- RB AJ Dillon
- ILB Eric Wilson
- TE Josiah Deguara
- S Jonathan Owens
- S Zayne Anderson
- OG Jon Runyan
- OT Caleb Jones
- P Daniel Whelan
- S Christian Uphoff
Holy. jags
at least we should get a high comp pick for Deguara!
@Grave Digger posted:If we're in a position to draft Marvin Harrison and pass then that will be historically dumb. The guy is a generational talent and we have absolutely nothing at WR that can threaten a defense.
Right now we're picking 6th.
If we stay 6th and all the top LT, QB, CB and EDGE are off the board? Then yes, Harrison....He HAS to be a generational talent at #6. We're talking Randy Moss / Jerry Rice and neither one of them were selected that high. Neither was Justin Jefferson.
See my point?
Oh no doubt, but the option is:
1) draft a guaranteed turnkey #1 WR (which he is)
2) sign/trade for a vet #1 WR and either so nothing or draft a next tier elite talent to develop next to him
3) stand pat and draft day 2-3 and hope you can strike gold with an early starter ala Greg Jennings
4) stand pat completely and hope that this year of “development” has paid off
Presented with all options you would assume GB would trade down and take option 3, maybe look at an unserious veteran option (Sammy Watkins type) to compete. They put a premium on OT, DL/pass rush, CB, and QB.
Absolutely take Harrison Jr. Dude will elevate the QB he is playing with.
If they're in a position to draft a top QB, they'd be dumb to pass, period. Throw Love to the wolves next year and let him sink or swim. If he does the backstroke, you can trade a guy.
Harrison is a generational talent. I'm normally against taking a WR that high, but he's an exception.
If they want to pull the plug on Love, a trade back might not work, either. Denver, the Rams, Raiders and Bucs are all in that neighborhood, and the Saints, Vikings and Atlanta could very easily be, as well.
I also wouldn't be opposed to taking two OTs in the first two rounds, ala Seattle. Move Tom to Center and let the RG fight commence.
Draft a LT, if Love does suck, they'll be in the same position the following year. At least that QB will have a LT. What is the draft projections on the 2025 QB class? Go OL and build out. SF/Det model.
I always get worried about a "generational QB". High picks and many #1 overall QB's have flamed out. No guarantee any of them will be any better than JL.
@Iowacheese posted:Nope
Last time we picked this high we got the generational AJ Hawk
Made my point for me.
Certain positions are premium positions. Linebacker is not one of them.
Whom would you have taken at #5??
Just a plethora of HoF talent
Attachments
at that time I was hoping for Vernon Davis. But Hawk probably had a better career than he did.
@Boris posted:Made my point for me.
Certain positions are premium positions. Linebacker is not one of them.
Whom would you have taken at #5??
Just a plethora of HoF talent
Made my point for me
It’s a crapshoot full of no guarantees So I definitely wouldn’t steer away from a stud WR
Best player in college football this year. Can't see him sliding past our 2nd pick
