Official Packers 2025 Off-Season Thread

@Fedya posted:

Typical SteveLuke: ignore the FA signings at DL and CB and whine about not getting a shiny old WR.

Yeah that DL signing really moved the needle on the road to the next Lombardi. Do you see the DL addition as having more of an impact stopping the run or generating pressure on the QB?

Nothing wrong with adding a hopefully quality Guard (to make up for the departure of the starting Center) and a hopefully quality CB (to make up for the departure of one former 1st round pick and the likely departure of another at the position). Nothing wrong at all.

But I was under the impression most folks believed improvement was needed at WR generally, and that a veteran presence was needed more specifically.

Maybe not.

So to Fedya and anyone else who believes the WR room is fine as is pending the draft, my apologies for offending your sensibilities by daring to broach the subject.

Draft and Develop.

Our chicks in the barn.

WDWWD

Maybe they have their "speed guy."

Luke Musgrave is a receiver - so is Tucker Kraft -- both guys have deceptive speed

He seems to be forgotten in all this "Our only speed guy is Watson & he's done for all of 2025" talk

Wontayvion Dicks = CTFB

Jayden Reed = Don't disappear

Romeo Doubs = Keep your head clear

Let's see who Gutey pulls from the draft.

I'm not worried about the receiver room the way some folks are.

Not a speed guy but Cooper Kupp being released.  

@Boris posted:

Maybe they have their "speed guy."

Luke Musgrave is a receiver - so is Tucker Kraft -- both guys have deceptive speed

He seems to be forgotten in all this "Our only speed guy is Watson & he's done for all of 2025" talk

Wontayvion Dicks = CTFB

Jayden Reed = Don't disappear

Romeo Doubs = Keep your head clear

Let's see who Gutey pulls from the draft.

I'm not worried about the receiver room the way some folks are.

The Packers currently have one guy on the roster at WR and TE that runs faster than 4.5. That's Bo Melton who ran a 4.34 40. He doesn't look anywhere near that fast in pads, and he hasn't taken advantage of some chances he's had the first two years.

Other 40 times

Reed 4.49

Doubs 4.52

Musgrave 4.61

Wicks 4.62

Heath 4.64

Kraft 4.69

You don't need a blazing 40 time to be a great WR. Davante Adams and, most prominently of all, Jerry Rice showed that. But even when you have those guys, you usually need a deep threat to optimize them. MVS opened up the field when he was here. Watson was the best of both worlds in terms of a developmental prospect. He had blazing speed and could be useful as a rookie just being on the field as a deep threat, and he had all the tools to become a DK Metcalf type guy. He just couldn't stay on the field.

I don't think they necessarily need to sign a veteran superstar WR as their final piece to a Super Bowl (I think edge rusher is more important), but they do need an MVS type just to get the safeties to play back a step or two and open things up underneath.

Pass rush Pass rush Pass rush!!! " Decent" Pass rush for like 3 games? All I saw on game threads was " All day to throw!" Yeah a No. 1 receiver would have been nice but clobbering Sam Darnold and Jared Goff would have went farther than Metcalf or Tae Tae.

Can't remember who but didn't a prominent DE say that Toms was one of the best OTs he went against last year? RT is more important than interior so if you have a good one, leave him there.

@Packy posted:

Not a speed guy but Cooper Kupp being released.  

https://www.acmepackingcompany...s-rams-receiver-2025

Ding ding ....let's see what happens

Love me some Kupp. Dude is money. Third down money. And not $100 million plus guy.

But can HE stay on the field?

@SteveLuke posted:

So to Fedya and anyone else who believes the WR room is fine as is pending the draft, my apologies for offending your sensibilities by daring to broach the subject.

I didn't say the WR room is fine.  I was pointing out how someone who constantly bitches about Gutekunst not signing FAs then ignoring the one he does sign to bitch about the lack of a FA signing at a different position.

See, Gutey will have a Cooper yet!!!

There is a reason the Rams are moving on from Kupp

https://www.draftsharks.com/fa...ory/cooper-kupp/7761

Pass!

@H5 posted:

   

Draft and Develop.

Our chicks in the barn.

WDWWD

Gotta remain the youngest team!

@ammo posted:

See, Gutey will have a Cooper yet!!!

Maybe the packers have interest?

So he misses 2-4 games. He's affordable, pissed off and motivated.  He will win close games that our young guys dropped last year. He's gonna win 2-4 games for us.

@Chongo posted:

There is a reason the Rams are moving on from Kupp

https://www.draftsharks.com/fa...ory/cooper-kupp/7761

Pass!

Wasn’t that the knock for Woodson being available when gb signed him?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2423159

I'd forgotten that Woodson's contract was for seven years.

@Fedya posted:

I didn't say the WR room is fine.  I was pointing out how someone who constantly bitches about Gutekunst not signing FAs then ignoring the one he does sign to bitch about the lack of a FA signing at a different position.

I didn't read it as bitching. I thought he was asking an open question regarding thoughts around the WR situation. Isn't the offseason mostly about roster discussions?

@D J posted:

Gotta remain the youngest team!

Like being TDSOBOTB.

@lovepack posted:

So he misses 2-4 games. He's affordable, pissed off and motivated.  He will win close games that our young guys dropped last year. He's gonna win 2-4 games for us.

He's gonna win the games he misses for us. 

In 12 games Kupp still had more catches and a higher pff grade than any of our WRs last season.

If I recall correctly his 2025 pay was guaranteed. Thus the Pack could sign him cheap and the Rams would have to pay the difference.

@ammo posted:

See, Gutey will have a Cooper yet!!!

I would hope for a Lombardi

Looks like we'll hope for third in the division.

@Pikes Peak posted:

I would hope for a Lombardi

I don't think there will ever be a Lombardi with Gute

Former #Packers center Josh Myers has agreed to terms with the #Jets on a one-year, $3.5-million deal, per source.

https://x.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1899947798889717889

Posted by Chongo 4 hours ago.

Former #Packers center Josh Myers has agreed to terms with the #Jets on a one-year, $3.5-million deal, per source. Four-year starter in Green Bay back with Justin Fields, his Ohio State teammate.

Good job D Joldie!!!

The Ed Block NFL Athletic Training Staff of the Year award goes to the Packers.

Big honor for Bryan "Flea" Engel, Nate Weir, Kurt Fielding, Erin Roberge, Brandon Kukal, Andrew DePietropaolo and Ali Ghaisarnia.

https://x.com/RobDemovsky/status/1899914146017325244

@D J posted:

Former #Packers center Josh Myers has agreed to terms with the #Jets on a one-year, $3.5-million deal, per source.

https://x.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1899947798889717889

So not good.  We knew that.

Linsley was good, but what could've been with Tretter.

That 2013 draft was something else.

https://lombardiave.com/2021/0...ng-2013-draft-class/

@ammo posted:

Posted by Chongo 4 hours ago.

Former #Packers center Josh Myers has agreed to terms with the #Jets on a one-year, $3.5-million deal, per source. Four-year starter in Green Bay back with Justin Fields, his Ohio State teammate.

Christ Almighty.....did he negotiate his own deal?? 1 year $3.5 Million that's it?!?  For a starting center????

Almost as if Myers had to pay someone to take him.

@Boris posted:

Maybe they have their "speed guy."

Luke Musgrave is a receiver - so is Tucker Kraft -- both guys have deceptive speed

I'm a big fan of perceptive speed.

If Myers was so shitty that nobody but the Jets wanted him, the fact that he was the Packers starter speaks loudly about what was behind him on the bench.

@Packiderm posted:

If Myers was so shitty that nobody but the Jets wanted him, the fact that he was the Packers starter speaks loudly about what was behind him on the bench.

It is a bit of an eye opener

@Pikes Peak posted:

I would hope for a Lombardi

Or a Lamborghini.

@Packiderm posted:

If Myers was so shitty that nobody but the Jets wanted him, the fact that he was the Packers starter speaks loudly about what was behind him on the bench.

Did he grade out as the worst starting Center in the NFL? I don't think so.

I think he wanted to play with Justin Fields. He is not as bad as he's being paid. Really weird ...but hey..... Enjoy that fun in NY.

@Packiderm posted:

If Myers was so shitty that nobody but the Jets wanted him, the fact that he was the Packers starter speaks loudly about what was behind him on the bench.

Knowing the protections and the offense goes a long way in why he was maintaining his position as a starter last year. Myers was also a favorite of Love and Love was hurt much of last year.

So did MLF and Gute really want to throw a rookie C (Monk) in front of his franchise QB who couldn't move the way he could before the MCL/Groin injuries?

IMO, that's a big reason they stayed with Myers as a starter.