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Originally Posted by WolfPack:

Lets hope Capers can keep the opposition to under 35 points next week

 

I predict that GB will hold the "opponent" to zero points next week.  I further predict that the Packers defense will hold the opposition to zero yards, zero first downs, and zero completed passes.  In fact, GB defense could rise in the rankings next week. 

With a defense ranked in the top 10 playing at home against a 2-5 team starting a QB for the first time in 3 years favored by 10 points the Cowboys lose. 

 

I wasnt sold on Dallas to begin with but this season makes no damn sense after 8 weeks. 

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Originally Posted by WolfPack:

 

 

some of the teams who could be competing for a wild card : Niners, Eagles, Saints, Seahawks - weve lost head to head with 2 of them so far.

Saints will not be competing for a wild card spot.  They will win the NFC South or be going home. 

I still standby the fact that they are so weak up front, it's ridiculous.  They line up 10 db's 1 lb and 1 dl and the good qb's just audible to a run and that's that...10 yds, etc...I read an article about how capers d is predicated on safety play, saying how 21missed some plays on the back end that are needed for this defense...nah, i don't think 21 is the problem, i think the dline and lb spots - and the positions and formations they are in are the problem.  now they don't make tackles 30% of the time and that's also a problem.  there are just a lot of problems on the defense.

"They line up 10 db's 1 lb and 1 dl and the good qb's just audible to a run and that's that...10 yds, etc"

 

The good QBs audible to all go routes in that scenario. 12 men on the field is a free play. 

"Letroy Guion has had his moments and Mike Daniels has come into his own, but something is missing. Part of Capers and his staff's midseason self-scouting this week will be dedicated to finding where the troubles lie." - Packersnews.com

 

SERIOUSLY? Capers really isn't sure? Or is this just a major assumption by the writer?

 

http://www.packersnews.com/sto...ll-carrier/18037987/

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

I sometimes hit the C and CE button 6 times each because I have no idea what they do. 

 

 

 

It's that MRC button that gives me fits.

 

And I keep using that tax - button but mine keep going up anyway.

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Capers and Matthews confirmed it- they put the "move Clay Matthews to ILB" scheme in Tc.

Among other wrinkles.

It's systematic. Totally convinced of that now. This coaching staff is a lot smarter than people here apparently want to believe.

I am not sure if Matthews was healthy enough before the bye to play that position. In addition to the new position he looks much faster/quicker since the bye. I guess we maybe did not see him as much in space but he now appears to be way more explosive than he did the first half of the season. I am not sure if it is due to better health, position change or combination of both.

When this thread was started, they really weren't playing that well and didn't look that "good".

 

My only concern with CM spending most of his time in the middle is durability.  He'll be delivering and taking more punishment there.  He's a tough guy but he has spent some time on the table the last couple years.

Originally Posted by CAPackfan:

Arrow is definitely trending downward with this team  ever since they won it all. Not what you want to see

 

they should, hopefully anyway, hit their stride at some point this year, but this team isn't a SB contender.

 

 

The biggest surprise for me is the improvement from Guion. The guy looked like absolute junk the first few weeks but has steadily improved since. HHCD has helped provide stability at the Safety position.

 

I will say that I still have reservations about the defense. The Saints game still sticks out like a sore thumb as well as the team's overall performance against quality teams on the road(getting blown out @ Sea, @ Det, and @ NO). Still, they've moved Clay inside since...and now the big test with this new look D is how they look against a top QB in Tom Brady in a few weeks

 

If the Packers can secure a first round bye, they'll be positioned very well to get to the SB considering how dominant they've looked at home.

Originally Posted by DH13:

When this thread was started, they really weren't playing that well and didn't look that "good".

 

My only concern with CM spending most of his time in the middle is durability.  He'll be delivering and taking more punishment there.  He's a tough guy but he has spent some time on the table the last couple years.

 

Honestly, I think Clay has more issue with hammy's when he's running full speed.  I don't worry about him holding up in close quarters at all. 

Originally Posted by Music City:
Capers and Matthews confirmed it- they put the "move Clay Matthews to ILB" scheme in Tc.

Among other wrinkles.

It's systematic. Totally convinced of that now. This coaching staff is a lot smarter than people here apparently want to believe.

That's why they started Brad Jones against the Seahawks.

Originally Posted by Henry:
Originally Posted by Music City:
Capers and Matthews confirmed it- they put the "move Clay Matthews to ILB" scheme in Tc.

Among other wrinkles.

It's systematic. Totally convinced of that now. This coaching staff is a lot smarter than people here apparently want to believe.

That's why they started Brad Jones against the Seahawks.

 

Know your meme

Originally Posted by Herschel:

Of course it's not like Barrington or Lattimore have been any good either, hence Matthews.

Both Lattimore and Barrington have been better than Jones and even Hawk, IMO.   That's not saying they are great or even good, just better than the alternative. 

Originally Posted by BrainDed:
Originally Posted by Herschel:

Of course it's not like Barrington or Lattimore have been any good either, hence Matthews.

Both Lattimore and Barrington have been better than Jones and even Hawk, IMO.   That's not saying they are great or even good, just better than the alternative. 

Lattimore and Barrington have yet to stand out. They just look good replacing Brad Jones (the worst LB in the NFL and maybe even some college locker-rooms). But, seriously, the whole crop of ILBs -- not counting Matthews -- is piss poor. 

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Originally Posted by Grave Digger:

He was hurt all through TC and then was below average for the first half of this season. It wasn't unreasonable to call him out.

Is it possible he was below average because he was hurt in TC and didn't really get healthy and in playing shape until sometime into the season??

Originally Posted by Henry:

       
Originally Posted by Music City:
Capers and Matthews confirmed it- they put the "move Clay Matthews to ILB" scheme in Tc.

Among other wrinkles.

It's systematic. Totally convinced of that now. This coaching staff is a lot smarter than people here apparently want to believe.
That's why they started Brad Jones against the Seahawks.

       

First month of the season you could see them shaking the roster out. Perhaps a function of the new CBA. They don't get the practice time anymore, so the filtering that normally would go on in the preseason goes into the season. Look at the Pats- same deal. The whole NFL world talking about how they've finally paid for Bellichick's arrogance. Now those same pundits have them in the Super Bowl because they're steamrolling everyone.

You can doubt them- ok with me. I simply cannot accept the idea that they didn't come up with a plan that involved a steady progression of roster decisions, game plans, and so on. Not sand bagging, just a rollout by design and we are watching it unfold.
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The Packers started Brad Jones vs the Seahawks because Perry and Peppers were not ready to take over the OLB spots just yet. And they can't move Clay until those guys got up to speed.

 

Perry was dinged and had a very slow start to camp, some calling him a bust and even Winston Moss lobbed a few incendiary comments. Peppers had never played 3-4 OLB before and he needed some time to assimilate the new role. They also wanted to try some 4-3 stuff too

 

I'll push back on the concept that these moves are mid-season panics, much of this was done in the offseason and just took some time to come to fruition after the bye week. 

Others feel differently

They started Brad Jones for the same reason the organization gave him a starter's contract- they simply made a mistake. His ST work against the Eagles was very impressive but he's not starting material and never was.

The 1 thing I'll say is Brad Jones was a 7th round draft pick.

That doesn't excuse him for his play at MLB, but the entire league did pass on him 6 times.

Hopefully it helps put things in perspective.
Originally Posted by Satori:

The Packers started Brad Jones vs the Seahawks because Perry and Peppers were not ready to take over the OLB spots just yet. And they can't move Clay until those guys got up to speed.

 

Perry was dinged and had a very slow start to camp, some calling him a bust and even Winston Moss lobbed a few incendiary comments. Peppers had never played 3-4 OLB before and he needed some time to assimilate the new role. They also wanted to try some 4-3 stuff too

 

I'll push back on the concept that these moves are mid-season panics, much of this was done in the offseason and just took some time to come to fruition after the bye week. 

Others feel differently

 

I would damn well hope the defensive coaching staff was looking at all options in TC.  If they were that completely thick headed to go into the regular season with the same clown show for 3 years running and no alternatives they deserved to be fired on the spot.  Yet they still opened with the same god damn base and got destroyed. 

 

I don't buy that Peppers wasn't ready either.  Even if you want to say he was adjusting in the first game, I don't buy he wasn't prepared by the second or third game.  It was **** default scheme that we saw.   Perry's concerns, I accept that but Neal had shown some decent production last year as well.  You can't tell me that the first quarter of the season wasn't a rinse and repeat of 3 years running when they had just signed Peppers, Neal was producing, Clay was Clay and yet the freeway expansion plan continued. 

 

I would say there were more concerns with Guion not having time to get ready due to injury and young guys like Pennel getting acclimated, that I can accept.  But do you really think now that they are up to speed we will see Jamari BarringJones on a regular basis?  They were caught flat footed and it showed.  Somebody said, "this **** isn't working" and put in the fallback of Clay to the inside.

 

The thought that Cap'n Slappy brings that the Packers were so carefully lulling their opponents into false security by getting their asses kicked is laughable.  Look at were the Packers are at and they are still having to fight for a playoff spot and home field.  If the coaching staff is so cavalier about dropping a game here and there as a "extended preseason" they either have titanic brass balls, which has not been evident on the defensive side of the ball for 3 years, or MM stepped up and said, "This is broke". 

 

I'm going with the second choice considering the documented involvement of MM on defense this year.  All of this has made me an even bigger Stupidface fan.  He has repelled The Norvening.

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