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He was fine jogging off because he didn't need lateral stability to do that.  The way he came down after the catch and turned, it looks like he didn't put any weight on his right leg, only on his left so I guessed it was his left.  Then seeing him limp off, he steps down harder on his left which made me think it was his right.  If so, he must've popped it on his break/stop move before going up for the ball and when he came down to turn and run, blatto.  His torque was gone.

The injury concerning me as closest to "irreplaceable" is Bakhtiari. It sounds like Tolzien was kept overnight following his melon bash in addition to Rodgers' wrist at the hands of Barclay's whiffs. Walker was brutal too when he got the chance. I know they want to settle guys in, but I think it's time to move the more athletic Tretter back out there if they want to leave eveyone else in their normal positions.

From what I saw in the replay, he was spinning as he landed- his left came down first, then the right leg had a little extra force hitting the ground as he came down. I guess that's all it took...

The problem isn't the number of preseason games. Although they frustrate the fans, they do serve a purpose to the teams. The way Nelson's injury happened shows that it could have happened in practice or in the first play of the regular season.

 

The real problem is the number of NFL teams. The impact of injuries would diminish if the talent pool wasn't spread so thin.

Originally Posted by Music City:
The Preseason football debate rages on. I for one think that it is necessary- guys get jobs for this. Sure, your starters may not need it, but you start the season with 80+ guys, and real game action is where you get your best evaluations. They do not predict success, but the show the coaches what they can do in live reps against guys trying win jobs. The 2 most notable guys from preseason last year- Janis and Elliot- won ions with their practices and preseason performances. Jered Boykin a couple years ago impressed the Packers enough out of Jags camp to earn a shot in Packer camp. Pen ell also won a roster spot that way. Those are just recent examples.

The live reps are essential IMO. How many games? Sure, pare them down to 3 or even 2. But up to 1/3rd of the rosters in the NFL need these games to win jobs. You cannot take that away from them or the coaches who want to see the live gave condition reps. Injuries are part of the game. It sucks, but that's why Thompson makes the big bucks- a deep enough roster to win in spite of injuries.

Respectfully disagree.  Someone is going to win the job either way, and if some GM's and coaches can't figure it out from scrimmages, then that's their problem, and it should just be part of the game. The games are nice for coaches to see how younger guys do in live action.  I get that.  But to say the games are "necessary" is patently false.  Nothing could be less "necessary."  

 

Did you see the stands in Pittsburgh?  The place was empty.  They are bull**** games that mean nothing to anybody, except for longshot players dying to prove themselves. So they go balls out, with nobody watching, and people get hurt.  For no good reason. That is pretty much the definition of "unnecessary."

 

The best solution would be for coaches to not let any starters play.  But no coach has the restraint to do that, and if he did, he'd be behind the rest of the league.  So he puts the starters in, for "just one quarter," as if that is going to eliminate the risk, which of course it doesn't.  And the debate goes on, meanwhile careers and even seasons are ruined.  Yay.

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Originally Posted by CAPackfan:

Barclay is a guard that they keep trying to play at Tackle. Any sort of speed off the edge just overwhelms him and the end result is just ugly. Dude just gets thrown aside

Yep. No idea why Ted hasn't selected a tackle in the past two drafts.

I think Jordy jogging off the field was actually a bad sign. When you partially tear a ligament, it hurts like the dickens. When you fully tear it, no pain after the initial ouch.

To illustrate: My other half jumped off a loading dock, heard a pop, got up, walked off with only a little limp and then no limp. Later said her knee felt "weird." When I did a bent-knee, pull-behind-the-calf test, her lower leg slid forward a good inch. Immediately I knew it was an ACL. But she said, "It can't be. It doesn't hurt!" I said, "Go to the ortho doc." A couple weeks later, she was in surgery getting the ACL fixed. THEN it hurt!  So, when I saw Jordy do the same thing and the speculation of ACL, well, I'd be more surprised if it wasn't the ACL. I'm hoping it's not, but...

Originally Posted by FreeSafety:

The problem isn't the number of preseason games. Although they frustrate the fans, they do serve a purpose to the teams. The way Nelson's injury happened shows that it could have happened in practice or in the first play of the regular season.

 

The real problem is the number of NFL teams. The impact of injuries would diminish if the talent pool wasn't spread so thin.

Sure they serve a purpose.  Just not a necessary one.  Again,  colleges live without them and last time I checked, ratings for college games are damn high.  Second only to the NFL.

 

I don't get the talent pool argument here.  There's always going to be standout performers who shouldn't be subjected to unnecessary risk.

 

Haven't seen it posted. Maurkice Pouncey broke his leg yesterday. Surgery is today. Not calling it year ending yet but he'll be hard pressed to return in 2015. 

 

FWIW, Maurkice is a POS. 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

As soon as Janis earns an actual start we can start the side by side. He's a year behind by the way. Donald worked his way to the 53 year 1. 

Apples 1999 roster vs. oranges 2014 roster. Not a very fair comparison in my opinion.

 

But anyway, ultimately I'm afraid Janis's problem could best be described as him thinking "Grandma Got Runover by a Reindeer" is good Christmas music.

 

Effin Yoopers.

College FB has preseason games as well, it's just that the big boys play Div 3, St. Mary's School of the Blind, and it counts in the standings.  Sometimes they don't play them the first game of the season for a true "preseason" game, but they have patty cakes on the schedule, that are consistent with preseason NFL games.  The scrubs (2nd and 3rd teamers) play most of the game after the 1's put up 40+ points in 20 min.  

Originally Posted by FreeSafety:

The way Nelson's injury happened shows that it could have happened in practice or in the first play of the regular season.

Maybe it could have happened in practice.  Or maybe, since his back was turned to the defender, he pulled it to make his move faster than would have in practice for fear of someone diving at has legs. Since they've probably done the play 50 times in practice this year without injury indicates the latter to me.  (Yes it is all speculation.)

 

And if it happened on the first play of the regular season, ya know, at least he got the team a first down in a meaningful game.

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The first several games of the regular season have looked sloppy and pre-season like since the new CBA.  Lack of enough full contact game-simulation during practice as well as other training camp restrictions are probably contributing to that.

Originally Posted by DH13:

The first several games of the regular season have looked sloppy and pre-season like since the new CBA.  Lack of enough full contact game-simulation during practice as well as other training camp restrictions are probably contributing to that.

1.  Not for the good teams.

 

2.  Seriously?  You want more contact and more risk of injury so your viewing experience is better the first couple of games? Come on now.

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And yet somehow there are more injuries in the preseason since the new CBA than before.

 

So by extrapolation you want no contact until the season starts?  Because by your line of reasoning, that would result in less injuries.  OK.

Wouldn't be that much of a stretch.  Didn't BB start the "sitting all starters for 4th preseason game" thing?  I think a lot of teams do that now.  MM would just be raising the stakes from last game to last 2 games.

Originally Posted by Trophies:

I would love to se McCarthy pull every starter from these next two preseason games. Why not?

Won't happen, butI think every starter would be thrilled.

I would vote for eliminating one or two of the preseason games.  You have to have a couple games along with training camp to be able to evaluate the players but four preseason games is too many.  But,  I'm sure the lost revenue from eliminating some preseason games would be a big factor.   

 

Aaron says go with two preseason games.  I agree.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/e...hould-be-cut-in-half

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Originally Posted by Packy:

I would vote for eliminating one or two of the preseason games.  But,  I'm sure the lost revenue from eliminating some preseason games would be a big factor.   

 

 

There will be no lost revenue because the league will only reduce the pre season to two games after they increase the regular season to 18 games.

Originally Posted by DH13:

       
And yet somehow there are more injuries in the preseason since the new CBA than before.

So by extrapolation you want no contact until the season starts?  Because by your line of reasoning, that would result in less injuries.  OK.



No I'm saying eliminate preseason games, keep scrimmage contact the way it is, and not complain if lesser teams look sloppy the first couple games.
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You're hinging your argument on "lesser teams"?  I don't recall GB looking so great the first 3 games last year either.  Or the the last several years.  They played some tough games early but I remember higher than usual mental errors.  Maybe that was just Brad Jones.

FWIW, the last time Jordy missed any action was 2012.  He missed 4 games that season.  Rodgers threw for nearly 1000 yards, 8 TDs, 0 INTs and the Packers were 4-0.

 

Meanwhile, in 2013 when Rodgers was out, Jordy had 32 catches for 437 yards and 1 TD in 7 games.  When Rodgers returned for the Bears game Jordy had 161 yards on 10 catches.

 

He will be missed, especially when it comes to the play action bombs and big 3rd down plays, but I don't think this will prevent them from winning the division or even a Super Bowl.  

 

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