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Janis is white????

There are exceptions, but WR usually doesn't really begin to shine until the 2nd year.  That said, to expect significant contribution at third wideout from Montgomery or Janis - well, doesn't seem all that likely.

That's my concern. I think Montgomery is going to be very good, but probably not right away. Right now, I only see two receivers we know can make plays against starting caliber DBs.

That's easy to see, since they only have 2 WRs right now who have actually made plays against starting DBs.

I like Monty and think he'll have a solid 1st year (30+, 500ish, 5-7 TDs). I like the way he attacks the ball.

There's been some discussion about this on the Twitters. Even possibly sending a late round pick to the Giants. I know they should be deep at WR, but it sounds like they're having some injury/consistency issues right now. They might not be so quick to part with a vet, but it's the one move I could see TT making.

If TT is going to go out and get a "rental" player to cover for injuries, I'd rather he make a trade for Andrew Whitworth. He's a non-washed-up veteran in the final year of his contract with replacements already on his roster and plays a position (positions) where the Packers lack quality depth.

Michael Rodney making a decent point.

@PackersNotes: Without Nelson, here are the ages of the other 10 WRs on the roster: 24, 22, 22, 25, 24, 24, 22, 23, 25 and 24.

 

@PackersNotes: TT needs to add a proven vet like James Jones because offense is now a turned ankle away from having Montgomery & Janis as the 2 and 3 WRs.

Timing is critical in our passing game.  Jordy usually was able to get consistent releases which made him look faster at times, almost as fast as black guys Goalline.  But even Jordy had games he was less effective because of inability to get clean releases.  When he had those games he often had a big play featuring a clean release or failure by defense to bump him early.  Adams, Monty, and #5 are all going to need to be proficient at releasing consistently in bump defenses or we are going to see a lot of 2 or 3 TE formations.

How long before we see some of our veteran experts suggesting TT trade picks for the current Randy Moss types in the league?  

If we need a vet why not call Driver or Jerry Rice.  They both are likely quicker than James Jones with better hands.

I prefer to say Janis is more like a black Bill Schroeder.

Jones was quick enough and his hands were good enough last season to catch 73 passes and score 6 TDs with Derek Carr as his QB. 

ok I'll break it to y'all.  only way James Jones will possibly be on the GBP again is if the Giants cut him and I'll bet they don't as Van Pelt is enjoying having him there.

next man up!

I can easily see why there is concern, but I'm willing to let the chips fall where they may. The only tested WR we have is Randall Cobb. After that, we have two young talents who have yet to establish themselves as reliable go-to players just now entering their 2nd seasons in Adams and Janis. Add a rookie Montgomery, and a bunch of UDFAs fighting for spots. This doesn't look good.

On the flip side, the young talent we have is pretty damn good. I think Aaron Rodgers is going to need to change his mental approach a little bit, and think about making these young, inexperienced players the best they can possibly be. They all are going to need as many reps with Aaron as possible.

I would trade for a starting calibre LT before I did anything else, regardless of Bakhtiari's status. We must have a quality player there to protect Aaron at all times.

Carl Bradford for Joe Thomas

Agree with Tdog.  What's with the sudden geriatric kink, folks?  TT isn't bringing in some old castoff.  The whole idea of keeping guys like Janis and White around was in case something like this happened.

This is White's 3rd year.  I consider him a veteran.  And Janis' graduation date isn't that far off.

Putting Janis in the same breath as Adams? I doubt that was your intent.

To me Janis is nothing more than a go-route right now, and if White was even slightly more consistent he'd be getting more attention.

False assumption.  Coddling the new players isn't going to help them be the best they can possibly be.  Setting a high standard and expecting them to work hard to meet that standard is what Rodgers will do and is what he has always done.

The ideal trajectory for a wideout is ample playing time as a rookie where the numbers are OK and a bit of a take off the sophomore year.

That being said, the word veteran may apply to White and Janis, but ideal trajectory certainly does not - and especially as applied to the 2015 season.

What choice do we have right now Hungry5?

Janis is a 2nd year player just like Adams, and one of only two outside threats, along with Adams. I'm not saying they are comparable, but Adams had just 2 games for over 100 yds last year, v. NE in the regular season, and v. DAL in the playoffs.

Adams has A LOT to prove, as does Janis. Montgomery is going to have to be a quick learner too. I don't doubt any of them, just looking at what we have.

Thinking Pinkard may be an ace in the hole for us. The kid has poise, and has moments where he looks like he belongs. Pinkard and Montgomery may be considered our other outside threats at WR aside from the relatively unproven Adams and Janis.

This game has totally changed for us. Time to adjust.

Dr. Bob, I didn't say anything about Aaron "coddling" them. I just think some extra time working with them would pay some dividends, now that our #1 WR is gone.

It is all meaningless though if Aaron Rodgers gets wiped out because we have no real LT depth. Get that, Ted.

No, I saw Janis and White talking with each other on the sidelines. Two separate individuals. #whateverhappenedtohauser?

Trophies, I know you didn't use the word "coddling" but moving in that direction was certainly what you implied.  Your suggestion is that if Rodgers softens his approach, the younger players can improve faster.  I'm suggesting that relationship is counter to how you are presenting it.  I don't think Rodgers is ignoring younger players like Favre would have done.  I'm saying Rodgers definitely takes an interest in the younger players but he expects them to move closer to his level of skill and work ethic rather Rodgers coming down to their level. 

TT isn't going to get another "starting caliber LT".  Holy smokes.  You know what that would cost?  A lot of teams don't have 1, much less 2 of them.  If Bak can't go, BB will swing over there and Barclay or Tretter will slide in to RT.

I don't think you're trying to group Janis and Adams together because they are very different in what they have already proved and what it looks like they will prove.  "Only 2 100yd games vs. NE and DAL"?  Other than the NFCC those two were on the biggest stage.

AR's approach with the younger players is driven by aversion to turnovers and that's in his DNA and won't change. They just need to do what's necessary on the field to gain his trust. 

No. I'm saying they need reps together. Far more reps. Yeah, the younger players will have some difficulties in nailing down assignments being this is a very complex offense, and they will need work with Rodgers to get that square. It doesn't just happen.

Like it or not, Aaron Rodgers is going to have to build a confidence level with these younger players at WR. That only comes with repetition. For the young guys, it will be a lot of getting to know how the game is played with the first unit, and with Rodgers.

I'm not saying standards need to be lowered. Quite the contrary. They need to remain high. We now have 4 of our top 5 WRs "fast tracking" it to know our offense and to be proficient players for us.

Trophies:

Adams has A LOT to prove, as does Janis. Montgomery is going to have to be a quick learner too. I don't doubt any of them, just looking at what we have.

Well, Trophies, if I can qualify the word "doubt" with "not a considerable dropoff at #3 wideout in 2015," I have doubts about Montgomery and especially Janis.

As a #2 wideout with respect to performance this season, my doubts about Adams are fairly small. 

I guess I agree with Henry.  Love your input here, but a rather consistent bias in the optimistic direction.

Who cares? You wouldn't trade a high pick from next year away for a LT who could start? Cover Rodgers' backside? Do we really know Bulaga is the answer at LT if Bakhtiari goes down?

Wasn't inferring they have a choice. I'm just not that high on Janis providing more than what we've seen so far. Seems he is getting a lot of run just because he is next in line on the depth chart, which at this time of the year means next to nothing after the starters.

More Lacy and Starks is probably the off-set to Nelson's injury and not some rookie or 2nd yr WR making a huge leap in production.

The idea that the Packers /TT are remiss in not having a competent backup tackle on the bench is absurd. Capable starting tackles are almost as rare as capable QBs. A "competent" backup LT is gonna be your starting RT. So now now you're saying they should have THREE good tackles on the roster.

McCarthy said this morning that Bakhtiari is progressing and he wouldn't play Sat if he doesn't practice. The way he stumbled through the answer I got the impression he is getting much closer. If not Bakhtiari it sounds like it will be Barclay again.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not high on Janis at all, but as things stand, he may be our #3 WR. Knowing Ted, he may just roll with what we've got. If that is the case, Aaron is going to have to build a rapport with a lot of these younger players.

I think he will.

We have two more games before the real bullets fly. Time for these guys to show what they've got.

Shouldn't we?

We've got arguably the best QB in the NFL, and the 2nd most important position on the team is LT, for good reason. Shouldn't we have a good backup LT?

Rodney:

TT needs to add a proven vet like James Jones because offense is now a turned ankle away from having Montgomery & Janis as the 2 and 3 WRs.

 

 Certainly a huge concern if either Cobb or Adams goes down. If Ted sees an available vet at cut downs he might move, but my hunch is he will ride it out with Monty and Janis. Would like to see more stability at the #3WR, a vet would be great, just not Ted's MO. 

The problem beyond  Cobb and Adams is inexperience. This offense has shown historically that you don't produce big numbers as a rookie WR in Green Bay, it's been a while where a rookie was an instant playmaker in Titletown. Also have a hard time seeing Janis or White doing what Adams did last year. Maybe the answer will indeed be Montgomery, he is known for having accceptional intelligence. Maybe he proves that he is smarter than the typical rookie and is the number 3 we are looking for. He definitely has the skill set. 

 C'mon Ted, add a vet WR and LT so we can all sleep better. 

Isn't the issue with Janis is that he can be sloppy?  (Correct me if I am wrong!)  I am mindful of a play involving (I think) James Jones a few years ago where he did not complete a route and the result was an INT.  Yeah, drops suck, but I was under the impression what Rodgers really can't stand is someone who is not mentally doing what he is supposed to do, which is do the damn route you are supposed to be doing for the play that is called.

If the above has been the case, my guess is Montgomery is #3 and Janis remains a project and a bit of a reach.

AR will tolerate physical mistakes (drops) but has little tolerance for mental ones. Janis needs to improve his focus and attention to detail if he wants to see the field.

Robert Ferguson died? 

I get the flip of Bulaga to LT. It would make some sense, actually, way more sense than trying Barclay there again with Rodgers in the game. We are lucky Rodgers didn't get completely wiped out along with Jordy on Sunday.

Brian Bulaga last played LT in 2008-09 at Iowa. He has been our starting RT since he was drafted, when not injured. He was going to take a turn at LT then blew out his ACL in a Family Night scrimmage in 2013. That's when Bakhtiari took over at LT.

Don Barclay then started at RT, and led our team with QB pressures that season with 39. Barclay is coming off an ACL injury as well. How does this guy give anyone confidence, especially coming off of that injury?

I say it is time to add a legit OT, preferably a LT, regardless of Bakhtiari's status. Keep Bulaga at RT. The fewer moving parts on that OL the better, if we can help it.

This response is absurd. Of course there should be a competent backup tackle on the roster. Competent doesn't mean good, it just means having the necessary ability to do something successfully. That's not setting the bar too high for a professional football player.

Just like clockwork...every Tues. night Ted stops by for some Colt 45 and Trojans.

Maybe you can tell him.

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GREEN BAY — The Green Bay Packers, after trying to trade receiver  Robert Ferguson, released the veteran on Friday because of the play of the young receivers ahead of him.

 

Ferguson, a seventh-year pro and former second-round draft pick, did not attend practice Thursday night by the Packers' request. Coach Mike McCarthy confirmed after the workout that Ferguson will not be back with the Packers.

"We feel good about what the other guys are doing," McCarthy said. "I think  Ruvell Martin's had an excellent camp. I think  Carlyle Holiday's had a very good camp and I think he really stepped out on special teams."

 

Is Carlyle Holliday dead? Maybe we should look him up... Oh, the good 'ol Carlyle Holliday days...

Why do I get the feeling Tolzien, Hundley and Blanchard are going to be running for their lives on Saturday? Bakhtiari out. Lang in concussion protocol. McCarthy wanting to try Barclay at LT again. Jesus H.

Wait. So does that mean we can't trade turd Ferguson  for Joe Thomas?