Perhaps removing one of their Super Bowl wins would send a message.
Belichick was not involved at all. Honest! These are contractors working for Kraft Productions.
Mac and Cheat from Kraft Productions.
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Lombardi had Starr wear #51 during practice the week before they'd play the Bears 'cause he was concerned with Halas's spies.
They'll never ban him and the only thing that would make any difference is to bar them from the playoffs for a year or two. That's never happening.
They've already punished them with taking away a first round pick. The Patriots clearly think its worth the risk to continue doing this. At this point, is taking away the #30 pick in the draft any deterrent at all?
The Patriots already have a gigantic, legal advantage in that they save about 8-10 million in having a franchise QB with a 20-23 million dollar a year salary because his wife's net worth is approaching that of a typical NFL owner (Giselle Bundchen is estimated to be worth 400 millinon).
In 20 years, they'll be retrospectives with former Patriots players and staff laughing about this and calling it "gamesmanship"
Hey.....if you're on the sidelines & stealing signals during live gameplay.....that's Gamesmanship. Doug Pedersen did it vs. The Bears when Favre was QB'ing -- that's fair game!
Video recording a practice of a future opponent? Flat out disrespectful of the game.
Fuck. The. Patriots & Belichick.
A certain coach has about the same chance of being "banned" as a certain politician does of being removed from office.
Especially when said coach is on the Top 100 best players of All-Time during the Centennial season of the NFL.
https://sports.yahoo.com/patri...nutes-165756729.html
8 minutes of sideline footage for 1st quarter.
Yes getting a jump on scripted plays, obviously.
Honest, it was an accident they recorded the sideline..... honest!
Also.....from the article....
Bill Belichick on @OMFonWEEI addresses report of Patriots video at Bengals Browns game. pic.twitter.com/iQLSXoqEkn
— WEEI (@WEEI) December 9, 2019
LMFAO.....FOH!
How low they've fallen that they need help against the Bengals....
Pikes Peak posted:Looks like a skyscraper is needed in GB, lets go Murph!
Just make the sledding hill even taller.
Anyone see the video Glazer had of the Pats videographer discussing the tape with the Bengals rep? Man, it didn't look/sound good for NE.
I think the NFL should delete ALL their picks in the upcoming draft.
Won't happen, but something extreme like that is necessary to get BB to stop.
I think the big NE breakup is close anyhow. I don't see the QB and the HC in the same organization next year.
So I've seen the video many times today... Apparently it's against the rules, but what exactly is gleaned from a video of the sidelines? Personnel groupings? Hand signals? Strategic locations of the gatorade jugs?
Hand signals, down & distance & personnel groupings. It's cheating plain & simple. No other team in the league is doing this because it's against the rules. Period.
He's basically using technology to steal signals. No different than Houston Astros did.
Yeah the "Jeenyous" Coach knows exactly what play is coming when. Real tough to counter when you know what the opponents play is. I could be head coach if that was the case.
How is that any different than the views I get of the sidelines at home from a regular football broadcast? Seriously...
Fuck that team. Take away their ability to play in the postseason. Maybe then those idiots will learn to play by the rules.
Unless that douchebag owner is getting a quid pro quo handjob I mean paying for certain spa services rendered.
Goddamn some of these owners are as rogue and criminal as the players.
Dr._Bob posted:Wow.
Rules are rules and I'm not condoning it... but what is that angle showing that a TV broadcast doesn't?
Why would they record the information illegally and repeatedly throughout the years if it wasn't giving them something that has allowed them to win multiple Lombardi's?
No need to tell me about Spygate. November 19, 2006: Patriots 35 - Packers 0. (Before they got caught.)
Over and over again during the game, my brother and I kept saying, "It's like they know what plays are coming!" You could really see it from a bird's eye. Patriot players would run to where the play was going before our players did. It was obvious.
They're cheaters, face it. They no longer get the benefit of the doubt.
Pakrz posted:How is that any different than the views I get of the sidelines at home from a regular football broadcast? Seriously...
It's different because Rodgers is elite.
Pakrz posted:How is that any different than the views I get of the sidelines at home from a regular football broadcast? Seriously...
Are you really this stupid or is it an act?
Lol..You don’t have an answer either do you? I’m literally watching the replay of the Packer game right now There are repeated video shots of the entire sideline area on the broadcast. Players, coaches, hand signals and position groups all in there to be seen.
Fascinating how willing you are to severely downgrade Rodgers, yet you jump to defend the Patriots and downplay their cheating. Putin would be proud.
Your hero is average Bob. I know that stings. He can play much better though. Let’s hope he does.
I’m not coming to the defense of anybody or any organization. I don’t give a shit about the Patriots one way or the other. I’m simply wondering what is the big advantage gained from video of a sideline and merely pointed out that you can see all the sideline footage you want by watching a regular broadcast on TV.
So far, nobody has been able to respond to that question with anything other than “wow”, calling me stupid or referencing Putin.
I seriously don’t see this enormous competitive advantage that so many of you are wrapped around the axle about. Can anybody with superior intellect enlighten me?
Your answer, comrade, is that you don't learn a whole language from a brief sampling of a few words. It requires a much larger sample to analyze and decode it, which they get with their films. And again, clearly they are getting something out of it if they've been doing it for so many years despite the risks.
How long was the camera "fixed" on the sideline?
Was it a closed shot (small group of coaches/players) or a wide shot (15-20 yards of sideline)?
Not recognizing the difference of a TV shot versus an individual team's contracted shot weakens any arguments you have on football. Seriously...
Yea I just don’t make the same dramatic correlation between a sideline video and a huge competitive advantage.
That’s okay though. I’ll agree to disagree.
There's no collusion here, people. No obstruction. This is a witch hunt. Total exoneration.
Again.....
1) Hand signals
2) Down & Distance
3) Personnel groupings
Now, what's not on that "advanced scout" film is the All-22 which they can easily put together with the 3 items above.
Now Billy B knows what plays are called with those personnel groupings matching the play with the hand signals.
I don't think it can be much clearer. It's cheating & against the rules. Plain & Simple.
PackerHawk posted:There's no collusion here, people. No obstruction. This is a witch hunt. Total exoneration.
Perfect video
In my opinion, it's not what was gained from the video, but the fact that the rules were broken again. It's an organizational mindset. I would assume that BB didn't say to the guy, "hey, I need you to go and tape the sideline so we can gain information on the bengals." But I'll bet somebody did. The transcript of the "spy gate" violation and the "cover" that was to be used by the camera men if they were caught, is exactly the same as what happened this time. Knowingly breaking the rules is the issue.