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MVS on Aaron Rodgers...
— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) April 4, 2024
"He's one of the greatest teammates you'll ever find. He cares more about his teammates than the game of football... People think he's a diva but that's the furthest thing from the truth."pic.twitter.com/0Bhu2SSrHR
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MVS with Stockholm Syndrome.
@Boris posted:Stick to football!! Nothing else. All other posts will be deleted.
I will take the under
@Boris posted:Stick to football!! Nothing else. All other posts will be deleted.
MVS on Aaron Rodgers...
— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) April 4, 2024
"He's one of the greatest teammates you'll ever find. He cares more about his teammates than the game of football... People think he's a diva but that's the furthest thing from the truth."pic.twitter.com/0Bhu2SSrHR
"Please, please, please Aaron. I'm an unsigned free agent. I've been unsigned for over 5 weeks. I'll do whatever you want. I promise. You are the greatest human being I've ever been around."
is that why AR seemingly refused to throw to open receivers on his perceived shit list? cuz he loved them so much?
times have changed, mvs
Corporal Klinger called...he wants his nose back.
MVS dropped some balls last year. I would say he is either looking for a job or the Chiefs are waiting for him to take their rock bottom offer of $1.98 per game. For the Chiefs they also have the issue of WR Rashee Rice driving problems. They need only Kelce anyway, But for appearances only, they could be in the market for a few WRs in the draft.
@Ghost of Lambeau posted:They need only Kelce anyway,
Disagree
@Ghost of Lambeau posted:they could be in the market for a few WRs in the draft.
They will draft a couple WR's at a minimum
They're set at D, young and very good with a top DC.
Plenty of room to draft O and refill the cupboard.
"I had this incredible offseason experience in a new city, a new town, with new teammates, a new organization, an owner for the first time, and really falling back in love with the game that I first fell in love with when I was 5 years old," he said. "It was absolutely beautiful and special and deep and rich and yummy, and just incredible."
-- A-A-Ron on his latest podcast thingy...
Honestly...not sure how to feel about a grown-ass man using the word "yummy."
Ice cream is yummy.
@Chongo posted:"I had this incredible offseason experience in a new city, a new town, with new teammates, a new organization, an owner for the first time, and really falling back in love with the game that I first fell in love with when I was 5 years old," he said. "It was absolutely beautiful and special and deep and rich and yummy, and just incredible."
-- A-A-Ron on his latest podcast thingy...
Honestly...not sure how to feel about a grown-ass man using the word "yummy."
That’s nothing
@Pikes Peak posted:That’s nothing
Yeah…but he was dating Danica…I’d probably have worn that shit too.
.@adamrank and @MarcRoss discuss if Aaron Rodgers will be the same coming off of his Achilles injury🗣️ pic.twitter.com/lo2idkEQq1
— NFL Total Access (@NFLTotalAccess) April 11, 2024
"Maybe next year."
happy to see you too @AaronRodgers12 😃 pic.twitter.com/dx8Vg5Ym3j
— New York Jets (@nyjets) April 15, 2024
Nice of him to show up for voluntary workouts. Where was that guy two years ago?
No cell signal....only WiFi...you gotta FaceTime me
Okay. Rodgers needs a good punch in the FaceTime.
what? he didn't show up pretending to be some movie character? he dressed somewhat normal? obviously, an alien has stolen his skin suit
Who knew he was a twatwaffle?
The scorned ex vibe in this place is off the charts. You got a new man, he's treating ya well. Move on.
oh, I've moved on, but I'm sticking around for the laughs cuz there's gonna be plenty
I, for one, don't feel scorned at all. I'm very happy with the direction of the current Packers.
However, since we're waiting for the draft, I felt it would be fun to check in on our former QB
The only problem that I have with Rodgers is that I don't think he was fully committed to the Packers over his last year or two in Green Bay.
Ultimate sin for a team game, JMHO.
Regardless of rehab from injury, he's giving the Jets a better chance of succeeding than he did for the Packers. Or at least that's the way it appears. And that's wrong on many levels.
So I might give him a , then ask him if I could buy him a beer.
Scorn is a many splendored thing.
I always got the disgust for favre the way he manipulated his way out of green bay and ultimately to the vikings. But rodgers never acted like favre. His praise for all thing green bay is still evident. Crazy how fans hope he fails. He is the best player in green bay history. As long as he isn't playing the packers I hope he has all the success he can get. It isn't like management helped his legacy here with the crappy defenses they gave him year after year.
"His praise for all thing green bay is still evident."
the greatest praise would have been being fully committed while playing for the GBP, which he obviously wasn't anymore and half-assed his way out. being an incredible talent that half-assedness was still better than 80% of the QBs in the league but it was still obvious he wasn't all in.
@Tdog posted:"His praise for all thing green bay is still evident."
the greatest praise would have been being fully committed while playing for the GBP, which he obviously wasn't anymore and half-assed his way out. being an incredible talent that half-assedness was still better than 80% of the QBs in the league but it was still obvious he wasn't all in.
And this was proven when they drafted Love. Miraculously, Rodgers goes all-in and plays some of his best ball until he checked out again.
@Floridarob posted:It isn't like management helped his legacy here with the crappy defenses they gave him year after year.
Disagree as relates to the NFC Championship game vs. Tampa. (game still pisses me off) They picked off Brady THREE fucking times. He didn't do jack shit with those turnovers. Yeah I know Kevin King before the half. They still had opportunities to win that game.
You're the superstar...the guy that can supposedly put the team on his back. I don't GAF Kevin King gave up the TD plus you didn't have your LT. BE THE MAN...He wasn't that day.
Unless it’s against Dallas or against the Cardinals in 2009 or ATL in 2010 when has Rodgers ever been “the man” in the playoffs?
He may not have shit the bed as often as Favre did, but more often than not Rodgers wasn’t a difference maker in the postseason.
Just think if he would have ran that shorty in…I know, not a given by any means and still plenty of time on the clock but the intensity and leadership value would have been off the charts. He ran that in numerous times in his career.
He didn’t try, chose to toss it over the middle to no avail. That’s when he lost me.
Some more really bizarre comments from AR surfaced today. Keeping it about football, I'm just more grateful than ever that Jordan Love is the Packers' QB.
@Tschmack posted:Unless it’s against Dallas or against the Cardinals in 2009 or ATL in 2010 when has Rodgers ever been “the man” in the playoffs?
He may not have shit the bed as often as Favre did, but more often than not Rodgers wasn’t a difference maker in the postseason.
I recall a game against the Steelers that he played pretty well. That pass over the middle onto the finger tips of Greg Jennings in the 4th quarter. Best pass in a pressure moment that I have ever witnessed. Absolute laser in the 4th quarter on the biggest stage in the world.
After 2011....He got bored completing the easy pass.....just like Favre.
Last year...2023....Jordan Love was not bored using the offense as designed and completing the easy pass. Let's hope he keeps doing that until he wins MULTIPLE Super Bowl Championships.
@Tschmack posted:Unless it’s against Dallas or against the Cardinals in 2009 or ATL in 2010 when has Rodgers ever been “the man” in the playoffs?
He may not have shit the bed as often as Favre did, but more often than not Rodgers wasn’t a difference maker in the postseason.
Favre shit the bed constantly. Rodgers was never the main reason they lost a playoff game. He could have done more in some cases, but his playoff career shows 45 TDs against 13 interceptions. 10 of 22 games with a QB rating of greater than 100.
@michiganjoe posted:Some more really bizarre comments from AR surfaced today. Keeping it about football, I'm just more grateful than ever that Jordan Love is the Packers' QB.
Yes. It's nice not to have to deal with that media circus.
@michiganjoe posted:Some more really bizarre comments from AR surfaced today. Keeping it about football, I'm just more grateful than ever that Jordan Love is the Packers' QB.
Got any links to those comments?
This is what I'm seeing getting passed around today, but it was pulled from a February 23rd, 2024 interview with Eddie Bravo. Full podcast is behind a paywall.
There goes the Stonewall Inn crowd.
@Boris posted:Disagree as relates to the NFC Championship game vs. Tampa. (game still pisses me off) They picked off Brady THREE fucking times. He didn't do jack shit with those turnovers. Yeah I know Kevin King before the half. They still had opportunities to win that game.
You're the superstar...the guy that can supposedly put the team on his back. I don't GAF Kevin King gave up the TD plus you didn't have your LT. BE THE MAN...He wasn't that day.
I agree his last 2 playoff losses left a lot to be desired. By that time I felt he was done while hoping he wasn't. I was hoping to see him rejuvenated with the jets and show what he could have been with a great defense. Now he has to deal with a huge injury and another year older. This may be his last hurrah. Unless he goes to the vikings next year. Then he is in the toilet with brett.
Old news swept under the rug.
https://packers.timesfour.com/...c/722477610446451809
"Stick to football" please
Years from now. Jets fans will recall love of Rodgers like Viking fans speak lovingly of Favre.
New York Times with a brutal take.
@Timmy! posted:The only problem that I have with Rodgers is that I don't think he was fully committed to the Packers over his last year or two in Green Bay.
100%. His time with the Jets didn't mean anything to me because even if he was MVP in 2023 and won the Super Bowl, I knew it wouldn't have been the same in Green Bay. He looked disinterested in 2022 and I wasn't fully convinced he wanted to play in the 2020 and 2021 playoffs. It was Favre against the Giants in 2007 all over again.
At this point I just want Rodgers to fade away. I don't find him interesting in the least and seems like he's doing everything he can to stay in the headlines just to stay relevant.
Fake news....
https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...lifetime-suspension/
Partial social engineering to sell CBD's using a fake Rodgers story as clickbait.
Domain Registrar looks like China.
Zach Wilson and a 7th round pick to Denver for a 6th round pick. Ooof.
They were going to get nothing by just cutting him.
Good value by Denver
Jets ruined him. I'm interested to see if he does better elsewhere or if he's just all done.
Wilson was over drafted after a covid season where BYU played a really easy schedule. He was a 3rd round QB, at best. He also ended up on the worst possible team.
Denver is selling it as QB rehab a la Geno Smith. I don't see it. Wilson hasn't even flashed that he's a competent NFL QB. He's been the worst QB in the league the last 2 years. Sean Payton is going to break him. No idea what Denver is planning with this. I think Stidham is a better QB which is not saying much.
@Boris posted:They were going to get nothing by just cutting him.
Good value by Denver
Jets ruined him. I'm interested to see if he does better elsewhere or if he's just all done.
Agree it’s good value for Denver but IMO Payton is totally overrated as a QB developer. Brees was a savant already and Payton showed nothing with Russell Wilson. He basically pissed away a massive investment there by the franchise with his my way or the highway BS. Chances are he will break this Wilson even more.
It definitely will be a referendum on Sean….can’t deal with a 2 time Super Bowl participant and now trying to navigate a season with Stidham and Wilson as your guys. Good luck with that.
My guess he wishes he was back on TV with all the awe he was afforded from his fellow know it alls.
Jets owed Wilson a fully guaranteed $5.5 mil for 2024, regardless if they kept or cut him. As part of the trade to Denver they each will pay half of the $5.5 mil. Denver likely does not make that trade and agree to pay Wilson the $5.5 mil unless the Jets ponied up to pay half of it.
@BrainDed posted:I recall a game against the Steelers that he played pretty well. That pass over the middle onto the finger tips of Greg Jennings in the 4th quarter. Best pass in a pressure moment that I have ever witnessed. Absolute laser in the 4th quarter on the biggest stage in the world.
Bd: I could not agree more! About 30 minutes after that SB was over I rewatched that pass about 50 times. That still is the most accurate pass I have ever seen. Truthfully speaking most Packer fans could say w/o stretching the truth that 12 threw so many passes that almost no other QB would ever attempt.
@PackerHawk posted:Zach Wilson and a 7th round pick to Denver for a 6th round pick. Ooof.
Denver overpaid.
@Goalline posted:Denver overpaid.
That's funny. Although not true IMO.
The Jets ruined him. Rodgers was supposed to fix him by playing all year. He probably would have too. Rodgers has shown he's a good teammate.
I believe Zach could at least be Kirk Cousins in the right situation. I've seen him make all the throws. He isn't Justin Fields. Living behind that awful offensive line is no place for any young QB. Rodgers better be ready to get rid of the ball this year to help out that O-Line or that old man will get killed again.
I saw something the other day about one team acquiring a player from another team because they owned that team a favor. In return, the team trading the player away got an unconditional draft pick that never materialized.
Sounds like one of those trades back in the day that was subtitled "for past considerations".
@DH13 posted:Sounds like one of those trades back in the day that was subtitled "for past considerations".
I thought they couldn't do those type of trades anymore? Ron Wolf did that a lot "for future considerations."
When these GM's make a deal with each other...it's about more than just that current deal. They develop relationships with each other because they both know future deals will be important.
Just like when TT fleeced Belichick (BB drafted that Florida WR, who was garbage) and TT drafted Greg Jennings after the trade down.
When the 2009 draft hit & NE was on the clock, TT traded up and gave BB an EXTRA 3rd rounder and told BB, "I'm going to give you the extra 3, Bill. I know we kind of got you on the 2006 draft."
That extra 3rd was the pick the Pack got for Favre to the Jets
The TT draft pick in 2009? Clay Matthews of course.....and the rest is history.
Championship #13 🏆
@Pikes Peak posted:It definitely will be a referendum on Sean….can’t deal with a 2 time Super Bowl participant and now trying to navigate a season with Stidham and Wilson as your guys. Good luck with that.
My guess he wishes he was back on TV with all the awe he was afforded from his fellow know it alls.
Gotta think they are drafting a QB this year. And with what they have on the roster today that QB will be expected to play early if he's ready or not.
Peyton was essentially correct in his opinion of Nate Hackett but the pile of shit that was dumped on him after voicing that opinion to the world was well deserved. I hope whoever they pick is a colossal flop.
@PackerHawk posted:Peyton was essentially correct in his opinion of Nate Hackett but the pile of shit that was dumped on him after voicing that opinion to the world was well deserved.
Not to mention....there's only ONE reason Nate was made HC of the Broncos....you know who was supposed to be their QB in 2022.
Everything was in place but instead we were forced to endure 2022 Packers season. I wonder why that was??
@Boris posted:I thought they couldn't do those type of trades anymore? Ron Wolf did that a lot "for future considerations."
When these GM's make a deal with each other...it's about more than just that current deal. They develop relationships with each other because they both know future deals will be important.
Just like when TT fleeced Belichick (BB drafted that Florida WR, who was garbage) and TT drafted Greg Jennings after the trade down.
When the 2009 draft hit & NE was on the clock, TT traded up and gave BB an EXTRA 3rd rounder and told BB, "I'm going to give you the extra 3, Bill. I know we kind of got you on the 2006 draft."
That extra 3rd was the pick the Pack got for Favre to the Jets
The TT draft pick in 2009? Clay Matthews of course.....and the rest is history.
Championship #13 🏆
Boris: That trade where the Patriots drafted Chad Jackson and the Packers drafted Jennings was the year of School Girl "Crushes" Jennings to GB was a pretty open secret and I think Jackson was as well. I recall Wolfe gave Belichick
his choice of the picks and the Patriots paid for the higher one because they feared other teams were in love w/ Jacksons speed!
I hope they give Wilson two years to get straightened out. He'll never be great, but he could be a whole lot better and end up a serviceable starter -- provided he can forget NY. In NY he'd make a great throw, and then on the next three dropbacks he'd be crushed by the D with barely time to blink. After a bit, he had to be hearing a stampeding herd of ghosts on every dropback. Give him better coaching and a better line so he has time to learn to read a defense like he's reading a book rather than a billboard, and Denver will have gotten the better of the Jets.
I thought the Jets did really well on Day 1.
Completely fleeced the Vikings out of 4th & 5th rounder, which they can use to get back into round 2 or round 3 if they like. Plus got an excellent LT and we all know how much O-Line help they need.
Also the Raiders got really lucky having Brock Bowers fall right into their lap.
What if the Jets wanted their #41 back and trade for next years first rounder?? Hmm 🤔🤯
The full Aaron Rodgers trade is finally done. Here are all of the players that ended up being part of the trade (whether direct selections or as part of a further trade to move up or down in the draft to get them):
Jets got:
Aaron Rodgers
Will McDonald (DE, 1st '23)
Jarrick Bernard-Converse (CB, 6th '23)
Zach Kuntz (TE, 7th '23)
Jordan Travis (QB, 5th '24)
Packers got:
Lucas Van Ness (DE, 1st '23)
Luke Musgrave (TE, 2nd '23)
Anders Carlson (K, 6th '23)
Edgerrin Cooper (LB, 2nd '24)
Evan Williams (S, 4th '24)
Jacob Monk (C, 5th '24)
I do find it humorous that part of the trade for Rodgers ended up allowing the Jets to draft a QB.
But no OL.
@vitaflo posted:The full Aaron Rodgers trade is finally done. Here are all of the players that ended up being part of the trade (whether direct selections or as part of a further trade to move up or down in the draft to get them):
Jets got:
Aaron Rodgers
Will McDonald (DE, 1st '23)
Jarrick Bernard-Converse (CB, 6th '23)
Zach Kuntz (TE, 7th '23)
Jordan Travis (QB, 5th '24)
Packers got:
Lucas Van Ness (DE, 1st '23)
Luke Musgrave (TE, 2nd '23)
Anders Carlson (K, 6th '23)
Edgerrin Cooper (LB, 2nd '24)
Evan Williams (S, 4th '24)
Jacob Monk (C, 5th '24)
I'll take it.
Fleeced Woody pretty good. 
@vitaflo posted:The full Aaron Rodgers trade is finally done. Here are all of the players that ended up being part of the trade (whether direct selections or as part of a further trade to move up or down in the draft to get them):
Jets got:
Aaron Rodgers
Will McDonald (DE, 1st '23)
Jarrick Bernard-Converse (CB, 6th '23)
Zach Kuntz (TE, 7th '23)
Jordan Travis (QB, 5th '24)
Packers got:
Lucas Van Ness (DE, 1st '23)
Luke Musgrave (TE, 2nd '23)
Anders Carlson (K, 6th '23)
Edgerrin Cooper (LB, 2nd '24)
Evan Williams (S, 4th '24)
Jacob Monk (C, 5th '24)
Could argue the money freed up allowed us to sign Xavier Mckinney as well.
@vitaflo posted:The full Aaron Rodgers trade is finally done. Here are all of the players that ended up being part of the trade (whether direct selections or as part of a further trade to move up or down in the draft to get them):
Jets got:
Aaron Rodgers
Will McDonald (DE, 1st '23)
Jarrick Bernard-Converse (CB, 6th '23)
Zach Kuntz (TE, 7th '23)
Jordan Travis (QB, 5th '24)
Packers got:
Lucas Van Ness (DE, 1st '23)
Luke Musgrave (TE, 2nd '23)
Anders Carlson (K, 6th '23)
Edgerrin Cooper (LB, 2nd '24)
Evan Williams (S, 4th '24)
Jacob Monk (C, 5th '24)
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...2023-deal-with-jets/
Time to invoke the lawyers for STEALING X4 content!! cbssports.com
@Boris posted:https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...2023-deal-with-jets/
Time to invoke the lawyers for STEALING X4 content!!
cbssports.com
They missed the Jets getting Jordan Travis out of this trade. Every media report I've seen on this missed that one. Which I kinda get cuz it was a little hard to follow but went as such:
Rodgers -> pick 41 (we trade it to NO) -> pick 190 (we trade it to Jets) -> Jets package pick 190 to trade up to 171 and pick Travis.
Nobody really followed that we traded part of the picks we got as part of the Rodgers trade back to the Jets and they used that pick to move up and draft a QB.
But if the Packers or the Jets trade anyone on those lists, will that count as part of the trade too?
@ammo posted:But if the Packers or the Jets trade anyone on those lists, will that count as part of the trade too?
Rodgers to Minny ?
Captain obvious.
Dolphins. That's all I'm saying
ZERO!
They're going to kick Rodgers out of the building?
After AR finds his way into a full body cast, in the process cutting short his season - again, I am torn between what I would like to see happen next:
1) Packers fleece them one more time for one of the backup QBs.
2) Or, watch the Jets do it right, draft a guy to develop, and get a guy to hold the fort down for a couple of years - all the while reading about how they think there must be a better way. And if they manage to see the process thru and end up with a good QB, then listening to them claim to have invented a QB development process that works. Next thing you know they will be holding clinics for the rest of the NFL at a huge cost. I think GB should patent their process and sue them if they are dum ...... I mean smart enough to do that ..... so we can fleece them again.
@Boris posted:Stick to football!! Nothing else. All other posts will be deleted.
From page 1
What does your post have to do with football?
@Dr._Bob posted:What does your post have to do with football?
You'd have to ask Boris. I only quoted him.
Think PLVA is referring to Tits post/link with the Tucker/Aaron interview. Seriously doubt Carlson asked any football questions.
@mattschneidman: Aaron Rodgers broke his thumb in the Week 5 London game at Tottenham in 2022 and he’s playing in the Week 5 London game at Tottenham again.
He tore his Achilles in the Week 1 MNF game in 2023 and he’s playing in the Week 1 MNF game again. Not to mention the guy who tackled him when he tore his Achilles week 1 last year is now on the team he’s facing week 1 this year (Leonard Floyd).
NFL might just be screwing with him.
I’d really like to see a full season from Rodgers. Extremely curious to see how I view his game when he isn’t a Packer.
there is nothing about AR I find entertaining anymore
slow moving train wreck
Why can’t he just shut the hell up???
@Goldie posted:Why can’t he just shut the hell up???
He’s complicated
Now he’s offended
I read an article on PFT (I don’t see it there now) saying that the NFL gave the Jets several early season prime time games because it’s the Jets and the wheels will inevitably fall off at some point during the season. 😆
I remember when MLF arrived and Aaron had his career "resurgence" and was winning MVP's I wouldn't miss an interview of his because they were so in depth related to the game and what was going on. I learned a lot. This was especially true of his post game and mid week press conferences. Very insightful. Now all that's gone to shit and a handbag and I can't listen to anything.
He has made me contemplate the impossible......who will I root for when the Jets play the Vikings in London? I never ever thought I'd be at this crossroad in my fandom.
A tie.
I am never going to hate on AR. Packers organization did him a disservice with how they put a team around him. He was gracious to the Packers on his exit and since he left. He is not Favre part 2. He was not like Mike Holmgren when he forced his way out of town and took most of the coaches with him and was a dick on the sideline in a game against the Packers on his first trip back to Green Bay. If Rodgers finds a way to force an exit from the Jets and make an appearance for the Vikings or Bears, I may reconsider. Other than that, Good Luck Aaron. Thanks for the memories. You were the best.
Bart Starr was the best.
So was Trent Dilfer one year.
At least Rodgers makes a hell of a lot more sense than Harrison Butker.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/16...lysis-cec/index.html
Sure would be fun to be at Chiefs training camp to see what happens between Butker and Kelce.
In general this fellow has quickly gone from being a hero to an idiot (or worse) and I know that is my predisposition in all things dealing with AR12. So I asked ChatGPT. Here is 4.o's answer:
Contract Disputes and Drama: Rodgers has been involved in several high-profile contract disputes and disagreements with the Green Bay Packers management. These disputes have sometimes overshadowed the team and created unnecessary drama.
Playoff Performance: Despite being one of the most talented quarterbacks in NFL history, Rodgers' playoff performances have not lived up to his potential in critical playoff games, leading to fewer Super Bowl appearances and wins than expected for a player of his caliber.
Public Statements and Attitude: Rodgers has a reputation for making controversial public statements and exhibiting what some perceive as an aloof or arrogant attitude. This includes his blunt honesty in interviews and social media, which can be polarizing.
Vaccine Controversy: In 2021, Rodgers faced significant backlash for his comments and actions regarding COVID-19 vaccination. He initially implied he was vaccinated but later revealed he was not, leading to accusations of being misleading and contributing to public health misinformation.
Relationships with Teammates and Coaches: There have been reports of strained relationships between Rodgers and some of his teammates and coaches. Critics argue that this behavior can be detrimental to team cohesion and success
I hope we get to see him fail in all 6 of those prime-time games.
Will they pause the game and bring him the ball if he makes it past four plays?
@BrainDed posted:I’d really like to see a full season from Rodgers. Extremely curious to see how I view his game when he isn’t a Packer.
I think he'll look slow. He looked slow his last season with us. It was the first thing I noticed about the Eagles game Love came in, Love looked way faster in general.
Given he's coming off a major injury, has had an entire year out of football, and is going to turn 41 this year, while I'm sure there will be flashes of greatness like we are used to, I'm guessing it will be mostly obvious his time has passed. Especially because he's never been a purely pocket passer, take the check downs type passer like Brady was. Frankly his sandlot style is what got him injured last year.
@packfnz posted:In general this fellow has quickly gone from being a hero to an idiot (or worse) and I know that is my predisposition in all things dealing with AR12. So I asked ChatGPT. Here is 4.o's answer:
Contract Disputes and Drama: Rodgers has been involved in several high-profile contract disputes and disagreements with the Green Bay Packers management. These disputes have sometimes overshadowed the team and created unnecessary drama.
Playoff Performance: Despite being one of the most talented quarterbacks in NFL history, Rodgers' playoff performances have not lived up to his potential in critical playoff games, leading to fewer Super Bowl appearances and wins than expected for a player of his caliber.
Public Statements and Attitude: Rodgers has a reputation for making controversial public statements and exhibiting what some perceive as an aloof or arrogant attitude. This includes his blunt honesty in interviews and social media, which can be polarizing.
Vaccine Controversy: In 2021, Rodgers faced significant backlash for his comments and actions regarding COVID-19 vaccination. He initially implied he was vaccinated but later revealed he was not, leading to accusations of being misleading and contributing to public health misinformation.
Relationships with Teammates and Coaches: There have been reports of strained relationships between Rodgers and some of his teammates and coaches. Critics argue that this behavior can be detrimental to team cohesion and success
I hope we get to see him fail in all 6 of those prime-time games.
Who is we? All the others he lives rent free in?
I hope he does well, he has been a great watch these many years.
@ammo posted:At least Rodgers makes a hell of a lot more sense than Harrison Butker.
I've said it several times, but when sportswriters say they want athletes to stand up for what they believe in, what's meant is that they want athletes to stand up for things they the sportswriters believe in, not things they the athletes believe in.
@Iowacheese posted:Who is we? All the others he lives rent free in?
I am he as you are he, as you are me and we are all together
@Iowacheese posted:Who is we? All the others he lives rent free in?
@Fedya posted:I've said it several times, but when sportswriters say they want athletes to stand up for what they believe in, what's meant is that they want athletes to stand up for things they the sportswriters believe in, not things they the athletes believe in.
So you fully agree with what Butker said?
@Goldie posted:Why can’t he just shut the hell up???
He and Bakhtiari are the Dystopian Dipshit Duo when they get the opportunity. I’d still like to see him with a full year as the Jets QB, though. That’s a very good team on paper and if they can hold it together could be a lot of fun to watch.
@ammo posted:So you fully agree with what Butker said?
That's like saying only Communists thought the Hollywood blacklist was a bad thing. Budd Schulberg, Oscar-winning screenwriter of On the Waterfront, named names, and said something afterward to the effect that the Communists only seemed to care about free speech as long as it was speech they agreed with.
I think it's fairly obvious we have a broad culture where if you espouse views the tastemakers (for lack of a better term) agree with, the response is "how dare anybody speak out against that". If you're a soccer fan, you'll know that the whole point of the Gary Lineker kerfuffle last year was "free speech must not have consequences for those of us with goodthink". But if you're a wrongthinker like Butker, or Aaron Rodgers with his coronavirus thoughtcrime, woe betide you.
I'd also point out that Harrison Butker is more Catholic than the current Pope, although these days that's a fairly low bar.
Bigotry should never be acceptable.
@Tavis Smiley posted:So was Trent Dilfer one year.
Say "15" Hail Marys for your penance
At least he didn’t shoot his pup.
What does Butker have to do with Rodgers?
@Dr._Bob posted:Bigotry should never be acceptable.
I agree but Bigots should have a right to say what they want and I have the right not to listen to it or read it.
@ammo posted:At least Rodgers makes a hell of a lot more sense than Harrison Butker.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/16...lysis-cec/index.html
Sure would be fun to be at Chiefs training camp to see what happens between Butker and Kelce.
If Butker makes it to camp.
@Floridarob posted:I agree but Bigots should have a right to say what they want and I have the right not to listen to it or read it.
Of course. No laws have been broken and he will now be subject to other people's right to express themselves, including the NFL and the Chiefs.
As somebody who served with NATO, enjoys science and is really more petty than I would like to think...I hope Rodgers gets his smug, arrogant keister handed to him and I hope every man that has had 'relations' with Butker comes out to speak about them---That guy is the walking emblem of reaction formation. He'll be an example in Psychology text books for years to come.
@vitaflo posted:I think he'll look slow. He looked slow his last season with us. It was the first thing I noticed about the Eagles game Love came in, Love looked way faster in general.
Given he's coming off a major injury, has had an entire year out of football, and is going to turn 41 this year, while I'm sure there will be flashes of greatness like we are used to, I'm guessing it will be mostly obvious his time has passed. Especially because he's never been a purely pocket passer, take the check downs type passer like Brady was. Frankly his sandlot style is what got him injured last year.
QBs who like getting out of the pocket need that speed to make it work. When they lose it, it's drastic. We saw it with Russ last year. He couldn't get out of the pocket consistently and it took away a huge part of his game. We'll see how Rodgers manages as a 40 year old QB coming back from a torn achilles.
Hit me yesterday when talking to a guy about his Falcons - why do we assume aging QBs are going to bounce back from a torn achilles in less than a year with no drop off? Is it really safe to assume that?
@Floridarob posted:I agree but Bigots should have a right to say what they want and I have the right not to listen to it or read it.
And we have a right to respond to the bigot and call him a f*cking moron so the world knows his views are not accepted by society so that his bigoted views do not spread.
Do I agree with what Butkner said no I don't not at all but its his right. But, then again I have lived my life not giving two shits what athletes opinion are and will continue to do so.
Anyhow, back to Rodgers I agree with CUPackfan that everyone just assumes that a 40 year old QB behind a so-so OL is going to not miss a beat. Could he? sure he could but I think the odds are against him.
@CUPackFan posted:Hit me yesterday when talking to a guy about his Falcons - why do we assume aging QBs are going to bounce back from a torn achilles in less than a year with no drop off? Is it really safe to assume that?
I think it's because people do not see them as injured and old. They see them as the players they were. Look at all the "big name" free agents every year that fans get excited about getting, but teams don't because they are past their prime. It's why the Packers move on two years too early instead of two years too late. It pisses off the player but it (usually) works.
This might end better for Cousins than Rodgers since Cousins has never been a mobile QB. But when you're an old QB the dropoff can be drastic and fast. Peyton and Brees both had noodle arms in their last seasons and they had two of the best arms ever.
I think there's way too much optimism regarding the Jets in general.
Reggie White was considered a bigot for the comments he made about Asians. But do I believe Reggie was a bigot? Absolutely not. I just think his delivery of that message was horrible and I bet he wished he had a do over of that event.
@The Heckler posted:Do I agree with what Butkner said no I don't not at all but its his right. But, then again I have lived my life not giving two shits what athletes opinion are and will continue to do so.
Anyhow, back to Rodgers I agree with CUPackfan that everyone just assumes that a 40 year old QB behind a so-so OL is going to not miss a beat. Could he? sure he could but I think the odds are against him.
I mean, what could go wrong having Nathaniel Hackett coordinate the offense?
Of all the dysfunction on that Jets team, that has to be the craziest example. It's recently come out that the Jets had been trying to hire someone to come in a more senior coaching position to be the one to actually coordinate the offense. But that Hackett would still be there. They ended not hiring anyone because they figured that Rodgers would ignore most of the stuff Hackett called and do what he wanted to do anyway.
That sure sounds like a recipe for success.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...s%20in%20his%20role.
But as the Jets thought about their offense throughout the offseason, Hackett leading the charge wasn’t always the vision. New York made, ‘legitimate attempts,’ to hire a candidatethat would essentially be the offensive coordinator’s replacement, via Connor Hughes of SNY.
The Jets weren’t necessarily searching for a new offensive coordinator. Instead, they wanted to hire someone who would work above Hackett, ‘running the show,’ for the offense. Ultimately, New York decided not to pursue those plans as Hackett remains in his role.
But even as the offensive coordinator, Hackett hasn’t always had full control of the offense. Throughout his first offseason with the Jets, Rodgers oftentimes changed Hackett’s play call at the line of scrimmage, Hughes confirmed. New York is seemingly relying on Rodgers being able to execute that gameplan over an entire season.
Hackett's talent is as an offensive specialist - he had responsibility for the red zone offense ( which became the Gold Zone). He was responsible for 3rd down offense too and in both areas the Packers excelled. His contributions were reaping results
When he was allowed to focus on one small area and innovate - he had something to offer and so long as you had MLF and AR running the show it was a well-tuned machine.
But as soon as Hackett was responsible for the bigger picture, his limitations became obvious. He's also a bit of a goofball, which is part of the allure for Rodgers - but that doesn't work as HC in Denver and it doesn't work as OC in NYJ.
Both times that Hackett was promoted upwards, his new teams tried to find him some professional support. Denver hired 2 extra coaches to assist the guy and now the Jets tried to do the same. Yikes.
@Johnson posted:As somebody who served with NATO, enjoys science and is really more petty than I would like to think...I hope Rodgers gets his smug, arrogant keister handed to him and I hope every man that has had 'relations' with Butker comes out to speak about them---That guy is the walking emblem of reaction formation. He'll be an example in Psychology text books for years to come.
Maybe Rodgers can be a sports commentator on television for Russia Today after he retires.
@vitaflo posted:I think it's because people do not see them as injured and old. They see them as the players they were. Look at all the "big name" free agents every year that fans get excited about getting, but teams don't because they are past their prime. It's why the Packers move on two years too early instead of two years too late. It pisses off the player but it (usually) works.
This might end better for Cousins than Rodgers since Cousins has never been a mobile QB. But when you're an old QB the dropoff can be drastic and fast. Peyton and Brees both had noodle arms in their last seasons and they had two of the best arms ever.
Look no farther than the NBA playoffs this year for examples of this. There are 7 teams left. The best players on those teams are Edwards (22 years old), SGA (25), Tatum (26), Brunson (27), Haliburton (24), Doncic (25), and Jokic (29). Even the second best players on those teams are mostly younger guys - KAT (28), Jamal Murray (27), Holmgren (22), Jaylen Brown (27), and Anunoby (26). The only exceptions are really Kyrie (33) and Pascal Siakam (30).
Then look at the two best guys on the good teams that got eliminated - often because guys are out or dinged up. Lebron (39), AD (an old 31), Steph (36), Klay (34), Dame (33), Durant (35), Beal (30), Embiid (30 with knees that look like he's 70), Kawhi (32), Harden (34), Paul George (34), Butler (34), Giannis (29 with heavy mileage). Those 13 guys make about 600 million a year among them.
The right type of QB (and maybe some lineman) can play at a high level longer, but WRs, DBs, and RBs are almost never good financial investments after about age 28 or 30. They can be very good investments on minimum contracts, but most stars egos won't allow them to take less money to play on better teams (and you can't blame them for trying to cash out as they get older).
@MichiganPacker2 posted:I mean, what could go wrong having Nathaniel Hackett coordinate the offense?
Of all the dysfunction on that Jets team, that has to be the craziest example. It's recently come out that the Jets had been trying to hire someone to come in a more senior coaching position to be the one to actually coordinate the offense. But that Hackett would still be there. They ended not hiring anyone because they figured that Rodgers would ignore most of the stuff Hackett called and do what he wanted to do anyway.
That sure sounds like a recipe for success.
I can see a lot going wrong with the Jets offense. I am really not convinced there is a huge amount of talent there on that side of the ball still. Decent maybe but will Rodger elevate that offense? they could be better but I am not sold on it.
I can definitely see this year being a case of Rodgers doing what he wants to do anyhow no matter what system is put in place and what plays are called. Its in his DNA to try and be the smartest guy in the room.
If they don’t fix that OL it will be a long season. Regardless of the skill position tallant.
It will be interesting to see how the offense performs with Hackett as OC and a HC that isn't calling the plays. I'm guessing Rodgers will just run the offense and ignore Hackett on half his calls.
@Floridarob posted:Reggie White was considered a bigot for the comments he made about Asians. But do I believe Reggie was a bigot? Absolutely not. I just think his delivery of that message was horrible hilarious.
FTFY
@MichiganPacker2 posted:New York is seemingly relying on Rodgers being able to execute that gameplan over an entire season.
I can't wait to see ol #8 Joe Willie Rodgers try to squeeze a throw into a tight window to Lazard while Wilson is streaking down the sideline wide effing open. It's gonna be epic
Unless......
He stops getting bored making the easy throw.
@ilcuqui posted:If they don’t fix that OL it will be a long season. Regardless of the skill position tallant.
The offensive line should be pretty decent, to be fair. Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses are good bookends, and (unlike last year) they have potentially solid depth with Olu Fashanu and Carter Warren behind them. Simpson, Vera-Tucker and Tippmann are a solid interior and Max Mitchell's a solid swing.
@Koopla Krash posted:What does Butker have to do with Rodgers?
Ammo wants to talk politics again. But if someone shares an opposing view he will go running to Daddy for the ban hammer.
@Floridarob posted:I agree but Bigots should have a right to say what they want and I have the right not to listen to it or read it.
Sounds reasonable. You fascist pig!!!!
@Floridarob posted:Reggie White was considered a bigot for the comments he made about Asians. But do I believe Reggie was a bigot? Absolutely not. I just think his delivery of that message was horrible and I bet he wished he had a do over of that event.
I’d bet my bottom dollar that Reggie agreed with the kicker.
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The name says it all
I think Rodgers and Butker and Antonio Brown should get together and start their own podcast. They could cover plenty of important topics including why the effects of CTE not only impact what you say but how you say it. Perhaps throw in Kanye West for good measure. Maybe he can produce it.
I’m just here for the scripture interpretation and Butker Butthurt
@Goalline posted:Back then yes. After he returned from Israel where he was reading and studying the original scripture, NO! Reggie was about to open a whole bunch of eyes when he died. What a tragedy.
We are in agreement that he was taken out, what I've not yet determined in my research is if it was the Templars, or the Black Hand posing at the Templars.
If you never hear from me again, It was likely because I was getting to close
I will miss you. BTW, it was the Templars. Ask Dan Brown. It is always the Templars.
Years ago I was playing an online game where one of the guilds was the Templar Knights and we received an email from an actual order of the Templar Knights saying that the guild was inappropriate because they are not a game and should be treated with more seriousness and respect. They apparently have eyes everywhere.
Looking forward to seeing a full season out of AR on a team with a dominant D. And it looks like the Jets may have fixed the O-lone issues, at least in May it seems.
And thought there would've been a lot of deleted posts in this thread by now. Guess not.
I'm here for the conspiracy theories. And many of these posts can't be deleted. The Templar is restricted from deleting themselves from any records. For to delete is to deny.
@Dr._Bob posted:Years ago I was playing an online game where one of the guilds was the Templar Knights and we received an email from an actual order of the Templar Knights saying that the guild was inappropriate because they are not a game and should be treated with more seriousness and respect. They apparently have eyes everywhere.
This is totally a Black Hand move
Could we send the Knights Templar after Butker?
His mom is a medical physicist for cancer patients, for pete's sake. His wife studied Industrial Engineering and worked for well-known engineering firms.
While I'm a really strong believer in the First Amendment and agree with Evelyn Beatrice Hall (“I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"), Butker is definitely trying my patience and my belief in free speech. 
@Fandame posted:Could we send the Knights Templar after Butker?
His mom is a medical physicist for cancer patients, for pete's sake. His wife studied Industrial Engineering and worked for well-known engineering firms.
While I'm a really strong believer in the First Amendment and agree with Evelyn Beatrice Hall (“I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"), Butker is definitely trying my patience and my belief in free speech.
Nearly all his type are hypocrites. Not surprised to hear that he is surrounded by accomplished women.
Yea, Butker really stepped in for sure. Encouraging those who were stepping out in the career world as well as those biological females who were not joining a career but instead those who would looking forward to being a wife and mother. And to think he did this at a catholic graduation commencement where he as a devout catholic was invited to spew such vile stuff. If only he had spent the off season with Rashee Rice or someone like him and beat up someone or crashed a car doing over 100 MPH. If only he had made better decisions. Tough Crowd these days....
Another Opinion or three
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Butker has also received encouragement from prominent Catholic leaders. Bishop James Johnston of the Diocese of Kansas City said in a statement:
“Harrison Butker’s passion for his Catholic faith and his family are beautiful and well known. And like most people, he also has strong opinions on where we are as a Church and as a nation. The Catholic Church believes that God calls everyone to pursue holiness no matter what path they take. As St. Paul notes, that diversity of callings and vocations is essential to the life and mission of the Church. I support Mr. Butker’s right to share his faith and express his opinions.”
Bill Donuhue, President of the Catholic League, wrote in a statement on Thursday that Butker “nailed it” during the commencement speech. “His courage and his commitment to Catholicism is laudatory,” Donohue said. “A heralded Catholic football player defends traditional moral values at a Catholic college — how novel.”
If society is to judge the propriety of certain speech, then consideration must be given to the unique values of the community in which the speech is shared. There should be some acceptance of the fact that different communities carry different customs and beliefs.
Despite the initial uproar, Butker’s views appear to have broader appeal. Within hours of the controversy breaking, his jersey became one of the top selling in the NFL, eclipsing even his Kansas City MVP teammate Patrick Mahomes. By Friday, all female-sized Butker jerseys at NFL.com had been sold out.
Butker has received support from teammates, including Mississippi-native Chris Jones, who posted on X that he loved the kicker and called him “my brotha.” Following an effort by the NFL to distance itself from Butker, he also received support from the Hunt family, who owns the Kansas City Chiefs."
From his speech
"For the ladies present today, congratulations on an amazing accomplishment. You should be proud of all that you have achieved to this point in your young lives. I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.
I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother. I'm on the stage today and able to be the man I am because I have a wife who leans into her vocation. I'm beyond blessed with the many talents God has given me, but it cannot be overstated that all of my success is made possible because a girl I met in band class back in middle school would convert to the faith, become my wife, and embrace one of the most important titles of all: homemaker."
Contrary to what is being said, he never said " women's place is in the home" as The Hill and most other have said. It is a choice that women can and do make everyday.
Bill Maher had a great take on the subject .
“I can’t express how much this guy is not like me,” Maher said during a panel discussion Friday.
“He’s religious. He loves marriage. He loves kids… And he’s now history’s greatest monster.”
“Again, I don’t agree with much with this guy, but I don’t get the thing. He said… ‘Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world.’ Ok, that seems fairly, like, modern. ‘But I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.’ I don’t see what the big crime is. I really don’t.”
“And I think this is part of the problem people have with the left is that lots of people in this country are like this. Like he’s saying some of you may go on to lead successful careers, but a lot of you are excited about this other way that people- everybody used to be. And now can’t that be a choice too?” Maher continued.
“And I feel like they feel very put upon, like there’s only one way to be a good person and that’s to get an advanced degree from one of those ass hole factories like Harvard.”
I guess it stems from the idea that it is an either have a career or be a "homemaker". I would be willing to bet his mother and wife will tell you that their family is their greatest calling regardless of the success they have had in their careers.
I've watched hundreds of award speeches, HOF speeches, any speech where a person is being honored and regardless of the sex or race of the honoree a vast majority of them family is the most important part of their lives.
@Floridarob posted:Another Opinion or three
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Butker has also received encouragement from prominent Catholic leaders. Bishop James Johnston of the Diocese of Kansas City said in a statement:
“Harrison Butker’s passion for his Catholic faith and his family are beautiful and well known. And like most people, he also has strong opinions on where we are as a Church and as a nation. The Catholic Church believes that God calls everyone to pursue holiness no matter what path they take. As St. Paul notes, that diversity of callings and vocations is essential to the life and mission of the Church. I support Mr. Butker’s right to share his faith and express his opinions.”
Bill Donuhue, President of the Catholic League, wrote in a statement on Thursday that Butker “nailed it” during the commencement speech. “His courage and his commitment to Catholicism is laudatory,” Donohue said. “A heralded Catholic football player defends traditional moral values at a Catholic college — how novel.”
If society is to judge the propriety of certain speech, then consideration must be given to the unique values of the community in which the speech is shared. There should be some acceptance of the fact that different communities carry different customs and beliefs.
Broader Appeal
Despite the initial uproar, Butker’s views appear to have broader appeal. Within hours of the controversy breaking, his jersey became one of the top selling in the NFL, eclipsing even his Kansas City MVP teammate Patrick Mahomes. By Friday, all female-sized Butker jerseys at NFL.com had been sold out.
Butker has received support from teammates, including Mississippi-native Chris Jones, who posted on X that he loved the kicker and called him “my brotha.” Following an effort by the NFL to distance itself from Butker, he also received support from the Hunt family, who owns the Kansas City Chiefs."
I am sure that the NFL will forfiet the royalties on those jersey sales.
Aaron Rodgers will have at least 30 TDs this season.
rushing or receiving?
According to AFC East opponents, Aaron Rodgers is washed 🤔
afc east fans are calling aaron rodgers washed. meanwhile, rodgers is throwing the ball in a completely different direction than the cameraman (and myself) were expecting
— jets west (#1 ashtyn davis fan) (@jetstothewest) May 20, 2024
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What would a successful season be? For whom?
1) If for Rodgers - another torn tendon would get him to retire. Old QBs never die, they just fade back and pass away.
2) If for the Jets - That their legacy of futility would continue such that the YouTube guy would make a video of it.
3) If for Packer fans - a SB victory with the youngest and cheapest (I mean most inexpensive) team in the league. And what about the Jets? Who??????
@Goalline posted:Tough crowd. 😅
Great, now the fucking nuns are woke. We are screwed. 
Enlightenment sucks.
A gentle reminder that when you draft Garrett Wilson as high as he is going right now you’re also drafting the health of Aaron Rodgers.
— Drew Davenport (@DrewDavenportFF) May 30, 2024
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Aaron Rodgers looks like your hungover uncle who’s warming up for the annual turkey bowl, but he’s still recovering from a THUNDEROUS night of drinking pic.twitter.com/4M9MmVv3zr
— No Filter Network (@NoFilterNet) May 30, 2024
Ooof. I realize it's early, but man. Rodgers is looking.....OLD
@packerboi posted:A gentle reminder that when you draft Garrett Wilson as high as he is going right now you’re also drafting the health of Aaron Rodgers.
— Drew Davenport (@DrewDavenportFF) May 30, 2024
pic.twitter.com/pn3bkGmCNhAaron Rodgers looks like your hungover uncle who’s warming up for the annual turkey bowl, but he’s still recovering from a THUNDEROUS night of drinking pic.twitter.com/4M9MmVv3zr
— No Filter Network (@NoFilterNet) May 30, 2024Ooof. I realize it's early, but man. Rodgers is looking.....OLD
Rodgers claimed he had blisters. Okey dokey
Here's a video from his most legendary performance.
@ilcuqui posted:Rodgers claimed he had blisters. Okey dokey
Herpes?
@YATittle posted:Here's a video from his most legendary performance.
I'll always remember that game. My mom had passed away in August and we were back home in Wisconsin at my niece's house. Her husband had nabbed a bear that year hunting and we had bear burgers for dinner! That game was a nail-biter... One of the best wins ever.
Yes it was a stunning game, one for the ages. Particularly sweet how the Bears and their fans thought they had broken the trend and we snatched it from them.
