Rodgers speaks about Vax Status

@BrainDed posted:

1 - Yes, and this 1 mans choice has so little impact that it's not even measurable.  Before you go "he's a role model" on me, that's a cultural problem, not a Arron Rodgers problem.   He wasn't pushing his beliefs until he was pushed into a corner by people one would assume are your clan based on your responses in this thread .   Don't hate the player, hate the game.

If you're going with pro-vax clan, then yes, I'm all clanned up.  The Lincoln comment, not clanned up.

1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 . . .

Agree about the role model crap.  For a guy that doesn't want to be championed by any clan he sure said otherwise.  He didn't have to say all that shit and yet you know he will most certainly be championed by your clan.  That's what I meant.

2 - Meh, debatable.   It certainly reduces risk but it sure doesn't end the situation.

Not debatable at all.  In fact, completely proven over and over again.

3 - The entire world can recover if we force our politicians to stop holding it back. Shutdowns and restrictions are not unavoidable.   They are a choice, a choice our politicians imposed on us.    That's a fucking fact homie.   Covid is not a hurricane that wiped out distribution centers and ports.    WE CHOSE TO CLOSE THEM. We went broad brush, still are,  when precision tools were / are a possibility.

Closed because of a global pandemic due to a highly contagious virus with deadly/lifelong implications that can be dealt with by getting vaccinated.

You don't get to skip parts of the equation.

@Henry posted:

I guess you skipped right over that AP article.

Ain't got time for that radicuhl libruhal nonsense.

I'm waiting for him to call the AP newswire service liberal bias. 

@BrainDed posted:

If you are pissed that he is spreading info you deem false, then YOU should not have created the environment where his medical choices are sought after information.

And ..

Shutdowns and restrictions are not unavoidable. They are a choice, a choice our politicians imposed on us. 

If you are pissed about shutdowns and restrictions, then ANTIVAXXERS should not have created the environment where that became necessary.

People want freedom of choice but none of the responsibility.  Except Spider-Man.  Spider-Man gets it.

Since people have been asking, yes Rodgers will be on the Pat McAfee show today. He usually comes on around 2:00 pm Eastern time.

"Agree about the role model crap.  For a guy that doesn't want to be championed by any clan he sure said otherwise.  He didn't have to say all that shit and yet you know he will most certainly be championed by your clan.  That's what I meant."

For now, until someone reminds them of his comments on the Kaepernick fiasco.    For the record, I don't have a clan either.   This is the issue I was referring to with the Bart Star comments.    Unless he shares absolutely nothing, there will always be a group that hates him.    That's the "woke mob" and "cancel culture" problem many of us detest.

Not debatable at all.  In fact, completely proven over and over again.

Maybe I didn't explain myself well.   The vaccines will not end Covid-19, they will greatly reduce the risk of death or hospitalization.   So when one says "end it" I guess we need to define that further to say if we agree or disagree.

Because of a global pandemic due to a highly contagious virus with deadly/lifelong implications that can be dealt with by getting vaccinated.

Yes.   But how we respond to that threat is not an exact science.   There are options.   Such as focusing the protection resources toward those who are at greatest risk while protecting liberty for those who are not and chose to take on risk.  Example, restricting my travel and sending me a check for, I forget the amounts, is fucking stupid.   I don't need the money, that should have went to protecting Ethel and Gene over at the nursing home.

Also, isn't it a little early to say "lifelong implications?"    Maybe I am interpreting your statement incorrectly, but after 18 months can we really say that?   We can say it with things like trauma from social separation because we have seen it before.   We have not seen Covid -19 before.

@Henry posted:

I would go a step farther and say Americans lack the ability to understand the concept of communicable diseases, viruses and basic vaccine functions, which I remember from middle school.

Yup.  Seems like this whole anti-vax thing started with parents not getting their children vaccinated against - you know, minor annoyances like Polio, Smallpox, etc. because it "might" lead to Autism.  Where they got that information, I have no idea. 

@Dr._Bob posted:

If you are pissed about shutdowns and restrictions, then ANTIVAXXERS should not have created the environment where that became necessary.

People want freedom of choice but none of the responsibility.  Except Spider-Man.  Spider-Man gets it.

I guess we disagree on what makes it necessary.   Honestly, I lean towards never but I understand that is a minority opinion and unrealistic.    I would prefer we used our capital and resources to direct it to people who need and want protection.   

Example, my wife is young and healthy.   Jamo might even call her a smokeshow.  When the state of NV forced the casinos in Las Vegas to close she was out of the job and thus provided covid relief capital.   She was given $700 a week for 12 fucking weeks.  She would have preferred to work as she, given her demographics and health, is not at serious risk.    That's a waste of resources.   People who wanted to stay home should have had the opportunity.  People who did not, should not have been forced to.   If Ethel wants to go for the Darwin award and pull the one arm bandit until she gets covid and dies, that's Ethel's choice.

@Blair Kiel posted:

@Tshmack .Please don’t try to spin Favre as anything other than a disingenuous, sleazy hillbilly with a golden arm.

I think it’s going to take someone posting a picture of Favre’s wife-cheating dick pic on here for people to remember what type of person he was. I’ve contemplated, but just can’t bring myself to follow through. X4 IS for pussies .

@BrainDed

Yes, "end it" I mean make the pandemic endemic, which is manageable and we can resume life without lockdowns, etc.

Vaccines work.  That point isn't debatable.  We can end all this shit we all hate.  Hell, they are making great progress with a nasal spray that will go way farther than masks to prevent the spread.  There is a anti-viral pill going in for authorization that will make COVID infections manageable.

Will all of these advances be rejected as well?  Fuck, that is some impressive stuff that tamps down the virus even more, especially the nasal spray.  Is there a reason to reject this?

Honestly, when this becomes endemic I don't give a shit because it won't affect me.  If I have to way to greatly reduce a way to not spread/get COVID and a pill that will greatly diminish the effects if I do I don't give a fuck anymore.  If there are lockdowns, etc. after that I'll be right there with you.  But if people don't take the steps, proven steps, this shit just keeps being dragged out.  The impact is much larger than just the virus itself, which you have pointed out.

Yeah, please don't post that.  But we'll take more pictures of Jen Sterger or whatever her name was.

Related to Henry's points, I think if enough people get the Covid vaccine, we can turn Covid into a flu-like virus.  Not that the flu shot prevents you from getting the flu, but it can certainly help, especially if they nailed the strain.  It's also promising that other preventative measures are on the way.

BrainDed, I understand the desire to make our own decisions.  I don't like people telling me what to do and I fiercely resist it.  But this is a completely different situation because the health of the whole country is/was on the line.  Physical and economic health.  But to handle it most effectively required and still requires people working together.  That's where we failed.  I don't like doing what people tell me to do but I also care about other people's health and wellbeing.  So when we criticize people, it's for not sharing that same consideration for others.  We focus on the "freedom" part of our history and ignore the "United" part.  Often big moments in history bring a country's people together but this did the opposite and it saddens me.

@BrainDed posted:

Yes.   But how we respond to that threat is not an exact science.   There are options.   Such as focusing the protection resources toward those who are at greatest risk while protecting liberty for those who are not and chose to take on risk.  Example, restricting my travel and sending me a check for, I forget the amounts, is fucking stupid.   I don't need the money, that should have went to protecting Ethel and Gene over at the nursing home.

Except those are who are not at "the greatest risk" are still fully capable of passing this virus to someone who is and therefore spreading this pandemic goes on and on.

It's what anti-vaxxers and the ilk who resist getting vaccinated can't seem to grasp. When hospital ICU's are at capacity, which has happened over and over again, your Non-Covid reason for coming to hospital won't fucking matter.

So if you are in a car accident with multi-system trauma injuries, you have a heart attack and are in need of immediate ICU care and treatment, you have a stroke, whatever the damn reason is you need to be treated, your NON-Covid illness or injury becomes a major problem because we do not have the beds, the doctors, the nurses, the techs, to treat you. And that likely means you need to be transferred somewhere. Sometimes to hospitals literally hundreds of miles from the one you tried to get into. And those patients absolutely have died as a result of totally unnecessary delayed care   

So this "my body, my choice" bullshit WILL and has caused deaths beyond giving someone Covid because patients who need care, life saving care, can't get it because ICU's and patient beds are filled with patients who are there with a totally preventable reason.

Not to mention all the outpatient treatments that got delayed or canceled because your irresponsible ass is taking up med/surg rooms and therefore you can't get your hip replaced, your gallbladder out,  or your cancer screenings done because we do not have the staff or resources to do them.

This isn't even a damn political issue. It's being a decent damn human being issue and doing what's responsible for your fellow man

The 1% death rate statistic is complete bullshit.  

There’s a whole subset of the population - those that are “long haulers” or those like my daughter that now developed a post C19 condition (asthma) that aren’t being captured.  

Surely, they didn’t die, so that’s cool.  But to make stupid ass proclamations or suggestions that it’s like the flu or not serious is beyond stupid. And fake news.  

If you simply got a case of the sniffles because of C19 good for you.  But plenty of others got very sick.  Or ended up in the ER or ICU.  

@Steve of Norway posted:

If you can’t why that’s happening in Germany..then you’re the ones refusing reality..Dr Fauci confirms your biases..

Damn right he does.  In the shower too

@packerboi posted:

Except those are who are not at "the greatest risk" are still fully capable of passing this virus to someone who is and therefore spreading this pandemic goes on and on.

It's what anti-vaxxers and the ilk who resist getting vaccinated can't seem to grasp. When hospital ICU's are at capacity, which has happened over and over again, your Non-Covid reason for coming to hospital won't fucking matter.

So if you are in a car accident with multi-system trauma injuries, you have a heart attack and are in need of immediate ICU care and treatment, you have a stroke, whatever the damn reason is you need to be treated, your NON-Covid illness or injury becomes a major problem because we do not have the beds, the doctors, the nurses, the techs, to treat you. And that likely means you need to be transferred somewhere. Sometimes to hospitals literally hundreds of miles from the one you tried to get into. And those patients absolutely have died as a result of totally unnecessary delayed care   

             

Yep. Our COVID inpatient count is currently below 25, which is manageable. It's been lower but it's also been twice as high and seemed like a surge was all but inevitable.

But we are also at critical capacity right now. Trying to discharge people ASAP and trying to clear out the ER to make room for new patients. And this is because hospitals keep sending patients here because they have no beds available because unvaxed patients with COVID are eating up their already limited resources. This is the result of extremely narrow minded thinking that is being repeated over and over again here.

Or dead.  And it's an inconsistent reaction.  Some people who are otherwise unhealthy get the sniffles while some who are the picture of health get it and die.  Still others get it and have complications that are still giving them trouble. You just never know, and you're playing roulette if you don't get vaccinated.  And not that getting vaccinated guarantees you won't get sick and die, it's just a LOT less likely, and less likely that you'll spread it to others.

@PackerHawk posted:

Yep. Our COVID inpatient count is currently below 25, which is manageable. It's been lower but it's also been twice as high and seemed like a surge was all but inevitable.

But we are also at critical capacity right now. Trying to discharge people ASAP and trying to clear out the ER to make room for new patients. And this is because hospitals keep sending patients here because they have no beds available because unvaxed patients with COVID are eating up their already limited resources. This is the result of extremely narrow minded thinking that is being repeated over and over again here.

I know we have at least one real life scientist here and what I’d assume to be a MD or two. What exactly is it that you do again?

@Dr._Bob posted:

BrainDed, I understand the desire to make our own decisions.  I don't like people telling me what to do and I fiercely resist it.  But this is a completely different situation because the health of the whole country is/was on the line.  Physical and economic health.  But to handle it most effectively required and still requires people working together.  That's where we failed.  I don't like doing what people tell me to do but I also care about other people's health and wellbeing.  So when we criticize people, it's for not sharing that same consideration for others.  We focus on the "freedom" part of our history and ignore the "United" part.  Often big moments in history bring a country's people together but this did the opposite and it saddens me.

It's a lot more than "don't tell me what to do."   That's dumbing down the argument to a level that removes the severity of it.    The root of the argument is what is federal and states governments role and what are it's limitations in attempting to fill that role."

In this scenario we are looking at the role of protecting the citizens.    Should they be allowed to close business sectors, restrict travel, force medical decisions and so on?   The fact that sooooo many people are so engrained in absolute Yes when it comes to this is scary.    There is no thought given to if it's even constitutional or not and what are the potential long term consequences for setting that precedent.    It's really fucking complex and just "YES DO IT" is not acceptable response to me.

I lean libertarian...  suck a dick, smoke some weed, get an abortion and protect yourself with a rifle.  Let the people govern themselves, within reason, and to me this public health issue is not much different.  We all make choices everyday that have risk calculations involved in them.   Do I take the freeway to work and increase my risk of death via car accident, or do I take the surface streets and greatly reduce that risk at the expense of time.     Let people decide their risk tolerance and the govt role is to assist those who those who need it.   Grandma is more likely to die on the expressway, so she takes the surface streets.   I am in a hurry, young and dumb, so I do 15 over on the expressway (putting myself and others in increased danger).   This is not much different to me.

@packerboi posted:

Except those are who are not at "the greatest risk" are still fully capable of passing this virus to someone who is and therefore spreading this pandemic goes on and on.

             

As I said, then lets direct our resources to protecting those specific people and stop using a broad brush that impacts everyone and wasting our resources on people that dont want them.

@BrainDed posted:

It's a lot more than "don't tell me what to do."   That's dumbing down the argument to a level that removes the severity of it.    The root of the argument is what is federal and states governments role and what are it's limitations in attempting to fill that role."

In this scenario we are looking at the role of protecting the citizens.    Should they be allowed to close business sectors, restrict travel, force medical decisions and so on?   The fact that sooooo many people are so engrained in absolute Yes when it comes to this is scary.    There is no thought given to if it's even constitutional or not and what are the potential long term consequences for setting that precedent.    It's really fucking complex and just "YES DO IT" is not acceptable response to me.

I lean libertarian...  suck a dick, smoke some weed, get an abortion and protect yourself with a rifle.  Let the people govern themselves, within reason, and to me this public health issue is not much different.  We all make choices everyday that have risk calculations involved in them.   Do I take the freeway to work and increase my risk of death via car accident, or do I take the surface streets and greatly reduce that risk at the expense of time.     Let people decide their risk tolerance and the govt role is to assist those who those who need it.   Grandma is more likely to die on the expressway, so she takes the surface streets.   I am in a hurry, young and dumb, so I do 15 over on the expressway (putting myself and others in increased danger).   This is not much different to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...%20of%20the%20state.

From that article:

Justice John Marshall Harlan delivered the decision for a 7–2 majority that the Massachusetts law did not violate the Fourteenth Amendment.^[2] The Court held that "in every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand" and that "[r]eal liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own [liberty], whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."^[2]

Furthermore, the Court held that mandatory vaccinations are neither arbitrary nor oppressive so long as they do not "go so far beyond what was reasonably required for the safety of the public".^[2] In Massachusetts, with smallpox being "prevalent and increasing in Cambridge", the regulation in question was "necessary in order to protect the public health and secure the public safety".^[2] The Court noted that Jacobson had offered proof that there were many in the medical community who believed that the smallpox vaccine would not stop the spread of the disease and, in fact, may cause other diseases of the body.^[2] However, the opinions offered by Jacobson were "more formidable by their number than by their inherent value" and "[w]hat everybody knows, ... [the] opposite theory accords with the common belief and is maintained by high medical authority."^[2] Therefore, it was left to the legislature, not the courts, to determine which of the "two modes was likely to be the most effective for the protection of the public against disease".^[2] No one could "confidently assert that the means prescribed by the State to that end has no real or substantial relation to the protection of the public health and the public safety".^[2]

Finally, the Court acknowledged that, in "extreme cases", for certain individuals "in a particular condition of ... health", the requirement of vaccination would be "cruel and inhuman[e]", in which case, courts would be empowered to interfere in order to "prevent wrong and oppression".^[2] However, the statute in question was not "intended to be applied to such a case" and Jacobson "did not offer to prove that, by reason of his then condition, he was, in fact, not a fit subject of vaccination".^[2]

@YATittle posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...%20of%20the%20state.

Authority of the State.   Not the Feds,   So Florida telling Biden admin to get bent with their 100 employee mandate resonates with you?   

That will make its way to the Supreme Court and there are arguments to be heard on both sides.   That's my point, it's not clear cut, so stop yelling at or hating people who don't see it exactly like you do.

@BrainDed posted:

When the state of NV forced the casinos in Las Vegas to close she was out of the job and thus provided covid relief capital.   She was given $700 a week for 12 fucking weeks.

You do know that there was a bill by Hawley (yes, that Hawley) and Prayamal to pick up 80% of American payroll so better lockdown provisions could be implemented right at the beginning of the pandemic and not hurt the entire economy?

It would've cost less to pick the bulk of American payroll than the "bailout" package.  The bulk of that package being completely unaccounted for money that disappeared into Wall Street. 

@BrainDed posted:

It's a lot more than "don't tell me what to do."   That's dumbing down the argument to a level that removes the severity of it.    The root of the argument is what is federal and states governments role and what are it's limitations in attempting to fill that role."

In this scenario we are looking at the role of protecting the citizens.    Should they be allowed to close business sectors, restrict travel, force medical decisions and so on?   The fact that sooooo many people are so engrained in absolute Yes when it comes to this is scary.    There is no thought given to if it's even constitutional or not and what are the potential long term consequences for setting that precedent.    It's really fucking complex and just "YES DO IT" is not acceptable response to me.

I lean libertarian...  suck a dick, smoke some weed, get an abortion and protect yourself with a rifle.  Let the people govern themselves, within reason, and to me this public health issue is not much different.  We all make choices everyday that have risk calculations involved in them.   Do I take the freeway to work and increase my risk of death via car accident, or do I take the surface streets and greatly reduce that risk at the expense of time.     Let people decide their risk tolerance and the govt role is to assist those who those who need it.   Grandma is more likely to die on the expressway, so she takes the surface streets.   I am in a hurry, young and dumb, so I do 15 over on the expressway (putting myself and others in increased danger).   This is not much different to me.

In truth, I'm thinking about it in a much LARGER way than the role of federal and state governments as I'm thinking in terms of survival of the species and how our brains are wired.  Our government system in some ways mirrors the structure of the brain in that there are lower order systems that can function pretty automatically and independently, but at times of threats or unique problems, the higher order system needs to step in to regulate the lower systems.  This is the most effective way to respond to threats and novel situations.  So in terms of government, there are some problems that can ONLY be solved by working together and sometimes that can only happen by a strong executive system stepping in.  Military threats, natural disasters, global warming, global pandemics, etc.  I'm all for the libertarian goal of independent functioning, but there are times where the government needs to step in.  That's why we have all those checks and balances to outline, regulate, and limit the power of that central government's power over the lower systems.  A global pandemic?  Yep, it's time to step in because we've seen exactly what happens now if it doesn't.

@Henry posted:

You do know that there was a bill by Hawley (yes, that Hawley) and Prayamal to pick up 80% of American payroll so better lockdown provisions could be implemented right at the beginning of the pandemic and not hurt the entire economy?

It would've cost less to pick the bulk of American payroll than the "bailout" package.  The bulk of that package being completely unaccounted for money that disappeared into Wall Street.

That sounds like an option I would have entertained.  With the knowledge I have now, I don't think it would have worked.   People still would not have taken it serious and spread would still occur and in the end it would have just been a waste IMO.

I just don't think it was ever possible to stop this once it left China.  All we can do now is educate and offer the tools we can manufacture.  Vax and other stuff in the works you mentioned.   People are going to do what they want in the end though, there is just no stopping it, never has been, never will be.    I'm sure there is some cowboy or old chinse proverb about a bear being a bear that is fitting here.  "I ate you because I'm a bear you dipshit."

That does sound very Chinesey proverb.

@ilcuqui posted:

“BTW:  Really like and respect Jabbar, but had Bob Lanier not been hurt, the St. Bonaventure Bonnies would have beaten Jacksonville and UCLA back in the the 1970 Final Four.”

Maybe so, although Kareem had already graduated and moved onto our Milwaukee Bucks.

I’ll never forget Sidney Wicks posterizing Artis Gilmore in that Final Four

Good catch!  I don't really have any recollection of that as I was just a kid at the time, but I am a proud Bonaventure grad. 

For those who claim he isn't a good teammate.   First we have Adams standing up for him, clearly a leader on the team, and now we have this from MLF.

"Matt LaFleur says Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love have "real, genuine friendship." Rodgers gave Love advice before first start: "Aaron has done an outstanding job from Day 1 giving him nuggets all the time. He didn't have to do it, but he definitely embraced him in that room."

Well, that's a sign that Adams is a good teammate and MLF is a good coach.  They really couldn't say anything else.  But it's also not an all or nothing thing.  He screwed up but clearly he does have some positive attributes.

@Pakrz posted:

I know we have at least one real life scientist here and what I’d assume to be a MD or two. What exactly is it that you do again?

I'm a Sys Admin for the infrastructure behind the patient monitoring systems. Not a doc, nurse or front line worker but I do work closely with them on a daily basis.

He's live again.

@YATittle posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...%20of%20the%20state.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkOjET2-F4k

Good discussion on this topic with some funny side notes.

@BrainDed posted:

For those who claim he isn't a good teammate.   First we have Adams standing up for him, clearly a leader on the team, and now we have this from MLF.

"Matt LaFleur says Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love have "real, genuine friendship." Rodgers gave Love advice before first start: "Aaron has done an outstanding job from Day 1 giving him nuggets all the time. He didn't have to do it, but he definitely embraced him in that room."

Did he play on Sunday?  They lost.  I'm sure he's a great teammate.  He fucked the team nonetheless. 

So they can all be hugging each other over how Love failed.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

I loved Bob Lanier and his snub from the top 75 list they just put out is one of he biggest. But even before the knee injuries he was not in Kareem's class. That doesn't mean he wasn't great, just that Kareem has become underrated because of recency bias. Most people remember Kareem as the 40 year-old guy that jogged up and down the floor for the mid-80s Lakers' teams, stood on the block, and shot a sky hook. He was still a superstar even in that capacity. He was the NBA FInals MVP at the age of 37 when he averaged 25 and 9 while being guarded by Robert Parish and Kevin McHale. He averaged 22 and 8 at the age of 39, and was still playing big minutes in the Finals at 40.

But 15 years before that, Kareem was a guy that ran the floor and handled the ball like Giannis, averaged 35/17/5 a game, was a dominant shot-blocker, and had a high-level of basketball intelligence. On top of all that, he had the most unblockable post-move in NBA history. Imagine Giannis with the sky hook. With the rules about not being able to beat the crap out of guys anymore (which was really the only defense against Kareem), Kareem would have been unstoppable on offense and he was quick enough not to be completely embarrassed guarding stretch 4s at the 3-point line.

Other than Bill Russell, Kareem was also one of the biggest "winners'  of all time. He has 6 NBA title rings. He was considered the best high school player of all time with his team winning the equivalent of two high school "national titles" and being runner up the other year. They were 79-2.

He should still be considered the greatest college player in history. Freshman couldn't play back then, but the UCLA freshman team blew out the varsity in a scrimmage that year (the varsity ended up 2nd in the country). The three years he played, UCLA went 88-2 and won 3 national titles. The two losses were both by 2 points. One was to Elvin Hayes' Houston team in a game that Kareem (Lew Alcindor) was coming back from an eye injury (later in the year, they blew out Houston 101-69).  The other was to USC when they held the ball for large parts of the game.

Hi - no argument here as to Jabbar's greatness, and his place at the top of college basketball's best players. 

@Dr._Bob posted:

BrainDed, I understand the desire to make our own decisions.  I don't like people telling me what to do and I fiercely resist it.  But this is a completely different situation because the health of the whole country is/was on the line.  Physical and economic health.  But to handle it most effectively required and still requires people working together.  That's where we failed.  I don't like doing what people tell me to do but I also care about other people's health and wellbeing.  So when we criticize people, it's for not sharing that same consideration for others.  We focus on the "freedom" part of our history and ignore the "United" part.  Often big moments in history bring a country's people together but this did the opposite and it saddens me.

The funny thing is there are countries, like New Zealand that had everything remain open for over a year, even large sporting events and concerts, because the country as a whole followed the rules set forth.  And those rules were the entire country had to self isolate for 2 weeks, and they banned all entry into the country.  And guess what?  They got their freedom back after 2 weeks.  Everything open.

Americans are so dumb they'll cut their nose to spite their face.  Arguing about "freedom" for a year and a half.  Meanwhile other countries are living more free than we are because they don't act like stubborn children.

Rodgers said there's a small chance he doesn't play. He needs to turn up the workouts to make sure his body is ready, and his heart can take the physical exertions, which he'll be doing this week. So far he's been walking and doing Yoga.

My guess is he went through moderate symptoms and it slowly recovering. He doesn't sounds short of breath or anything, which is positive, since he's right around that timeframe when it starts during the COVID journey.

@BrainDed posted:

"Your COVID was like the flu - I hope you realize how lucky you are.  But I doubt it."

Well since the death rate is like 1%  I would say he isn't that lucky, just one of the extremely vast majority.  (Hint, it's 99%)   Math is science, so I'm following the science here while determining his luck.

Either follow the fucking science or shut the fuck up with your conjecture.  You can't have it both ways.    Yes, given the number of cases, the number of deaths is "too damn high."    But this is a different argument and you seem to not understand it.

He was lucky.  And you still don't get it (based on several follow-on posts).

STFU?  Kiss my ass & .

@BrainDed posted:

For those who claim he isn't a good teammate.   First we have Adams standing up for him, clearly a leader on the team, and now we have this from MLF.

"Matt LaFleur says Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love have "real, genuine friendship." Rodgers gave Love advice before first start: "Aaron has done an outstanding job from Day 1 giving him nuggets all the time. He didn't have to do it, but he definitely embraced him in that room."

I would hardly expect any head coach to say other wise.