@Henry posted:This is also the reason I enjoy women's college softball. They have no payday other than winning for winning's sake.
Women's college softball is awesome because WOMEN.
Well, that too. Even if half the team isn't interested in my dick.
I have some wonderful memories of University of Minnesota softball players . . .
As a child I used to cheer for the name on that back of the jersey.
Now I cheer for the team on the front.
@Henry posted:Well, that too. Even if half the team isn't interested in my dick.
Immaterial!!! I'm still looking.
Just curious, but what does "going all in" look for the people who don't think Gute has done enough? T he Love pick was clearly not going all in but what else? And remember, the Packers only have $3.4m in cap space AFTER renegotiating the Bakh, Amos, Turner, and Smith Bros deals, so you have to keep that in mind.
That's the whole discussion around Rodgers contract, creating cap space now even if it screws the cap later.
They have a cavern in the middle of this defense. Even 2nd tier FAs are better than the 4th tier schlubs next to Kenny and at ILB.
Throw in for a ring now and accept a rebuild around Love in a few years.
Rodgers knows neither he or GB has any control over what other teams are willing to pay QBs. It’s pretty much a disposable starter. It ain’t the money.
I do think he’s upset GB isn’t willing to commit to him long term after he fully committed to MLF.
@FreeSafety posted:But AR was one of the worst guest hosts so far. I just don't get why people think he could land that gig, they gave him a shot, he was an uncomfortable, wooden, pompous ass. Not an ideal host to follow Trebeck.
Ken Jennings was really good and even though I am not a big fan, Anderson Cooper has been a great host. LaVarar Burton is gonna kill it and probably get the long term job.
Agreed. Not sure why he - or anyone else thinks this gig is his for the taking...he sucked.
https://packers.timesfour.com/...8#671800269454360688
and I agree . It is fun to follow and cheer for a team forever. Not just the wins and loses, but really the challenge of the changing personnel and the evolution of the game. It is an on going mental exercise to think about the impact of CTE and crazy money in the sport and whether it is worth following.
I have my favorite players and coaches....but...my Packer jersey has my F'kn name and my number on it. Besides Willie Wood and maybe Donald Driver, I don't think I have loved a player enough to wear his jersey...oooh that might be more about my own narcissism...
The Packers without Rodgers is a dreadful thought, but the personality factors related to him walking out of town are remarkable. I love the Xs and Os and the pure athleticm of the game, I don't follow much of the sports media...but this kind of soap operish stuff is part of game. It's fascinating.
@Goalline posted:That ego massaging of a 38 year old highly overpaid child is an important element of this GAME, that does not make me want to continue as a fan of any team in any sport. This is just STUPID. Wow, what the fuck have I done with all that time. Waste of fucking time supporting a bunch of guys I don't even know. A bunch of guys who could give 2 shits what I think. What the fuck is wrong with me?
Do you think the actors that appear in TV and movies know or care about you? Or musicians whose music you listen to? Fuck...how about the guy that cooks your eggs at Denny's?
Do we really need some deeper meaning behind the shit we do other than it distracts us from life's problems for a couple hours here and there?
Yeah it's kind of stupid, but that's life. If it really bugs you to the point it distracts from your enjoyment, then give it the finger and find something else you enjoy doing.
That's the thing. Of course I'm going to be excited to see what Jordan Love can do. I just have my doubts. How much fun was it to watch the Packers with a young team who hadn't all hit major contracts yet?
Remember when the draft was fun? My favorite was watching day two for all those mid and late round picks to see which one might be the gem. Plus, the pace of the draft was just more like watching a horse race combined with a stock ticker.
Maybe Rodgers wanting out of Green Bay boils down to a old fashioned case of being pussy whipped. Yeah it stinks!
@Timpranillo posted:In a league where you have a QB and a shot to win it all or you don't have a QB and you're meaningless, as a Packers fan first, I would choose sticking with the QB that has proven he's one of the best ever as long as humanly possible.
Based on everything we've read, I see nothing to indicate the Packers are not doing everything possible to accomplish exactly this.
Just because what they can do may not align with what Rodgers wants or thinks he deserves, doesn't mean they are putting the best option today out there.
@RochNyFan posted:Agreed. Not sure why he - or anyone else thinks this gig is his for the taking...he sucked.
AR did fine. The long time producer has been the best so far. Burton will kill it. How they failed to give Will Farrell 2 weeks will never make sense.
I met Dave Robinson about 10 years ago, and he seemed like a genuinely nice person. If I ever decide to buy a Packer jersey after purging nearly all sports team clothes, it would be a Dave Robinson #89.
@Goalline posted:Yeah, because he has won so many Super Bowls. Tom Brady would have won one last year if he were a Packer. This was a damn good team.
Agreed. Rodger's hasn't exactly carried the team to victory in the five NFC Championship Games in which he has played. The first, against the Bears, he was mediocre, and it was the combo of his defense and the Caleb Hainey to BJ Raji TD pass that got them to Dallas. There were an atrocious number of mistakes committed by others (Bostick, Hawk, Burnett, MM lacking balls in short yardage situations) in the Seattle debacle in '14 that ultimately cost them that game, but Rodger's performance was very ordinary. I'll give him a pass in '16 because that team was depleted and should not have even been there. Finally, in the past two years his play has been ordinary, if not subpar. His defense gave him turnovers twice in the fourth quarter - at home - and he could not convert.
To me, 12's performance last year may have been an outlier...he was certainly trending down since '16, had lost some of his mobility, and seemed tentative at times. I think the odds he will play at the same level in 2021 are a bit lower than the odds that he will regress a bit.
Is/has he been an all-time great...yes, no doubt. Has his play been the same in the post season...if we are honest, it has not. His hypersensitive, arrogant, smug attitude and crying while cashing in one of the top paychecks in the league makes it hard to give him a pass on anything right now.
@CUPackFan posted:Just curious, but what does "going all in" look for the people who don't think Gute has done enough? T he Love pick was clearly not going all in but what else? And remember, the Packers only have $3.4m in cap space AFTER renegotiating the Bakh, Amos, Turner, and Smith Bros deals, so you have to keep that in mind.
Just curious, but with a team coming off a 13-3 record and an appearance in the 2019 NFC Championship game, for the people who think Gute and the Pack went all in to win a Super Bowl in 2020, what moves led you to that conclusion?
Was it the 1st round pick that the front office admitted was used on a QB who was not expected to step on the field until some unspecified time in the future? Oh, and the 4th round pick, as well.
Or was it the drafting of a RB in round 2 who was not expected to be anything other than 3rd string in 2020?
Was it the free agent signings of a backup T (after losing starting T Bulaga) and the latest JAG to play inside linebacker?
Or perhaps it was the latest trade deadline deal that, like every year in Green Bay, was so, so close but just never came together?
What were the moves that convinced you that the Green Bay Packers went "all in" in 2020 to win the Super Bowl?
@Chongo posted:What Goalline thinks of when he thinks "softball player"
What most softball players look like:
You've been watching the wrong softball games, man.
I don't see Gutekunst as being in over his head. When someone is in over their head they haven't the first clue how to address an issue, which is not the same as making a decision that others may not agree with or understand, or could ultimately not be the right decision. That is not Gutekunst. For comparison, I see Matt Millen in DET as someone who was was in over his head.
nobody understands the mind of packer war room guys. we are consistently wrong in our inept attempts to figure them out. they clearly value guys differently than the general public. so... if they are in charge, and they don't value the positions and players on the board, are you saying that going all in means to pick a worse player in their evaluation than to make the team better by picking by their evaluations, which go back to elementary school. the packers picks make little sense to me, but i do not question really that they know what they are doing and know alot more than the arm chair gm's like me. look at the geeneous mayock he was a superhero on mock draft day. just because you think they didn't make 'all in picks' doesn't mean they did not make 'all in' picks - just your perception of 'all in'.
@tsr86free posted:I met Dave Robinson about 10 years ago, and he seemed like a genuinely nice person. If I ever decide to buy a Packer jersey after purging nearly all sports team clothes, it would be a Dave Robinson #89.
Robbie was one of my favorites growing up along with Skironski! 
Bet she throw a mean splitter!
Yeah it's kind of stupid, but that's life. If it really bugs you to the point it distracts from your enjoyment, then give it the finger and find something else you enjoy doing.
I’m heading there.
Not for nothing.
But Rodgers is fully aware that Mahomes was incapable of accomplishing what he did against a Tampa D that he pretty much lit up. Two weeks apart. Patrick was lost. With a loaded offense. Mahomes makes $45 million per. AR makes $33 per.
It’s not petty. It’s human nature. We’d all hold the same line of thinking if it was any of us.
So where is GB Brandon during all of this? Just in case you forgot, he warned all of us.
#NeverForgot
#ForeverBrandon
what happens if ar retires? do we have to pay him? or do we just own his rights?
My guess would be that any pro-rated bonus would count against the cap as currently structured, but they wouldn't have to pay his yearly salary, workout bonuses, etc.
Mahomes didn’t do much because his two starting tackles were out and he was playing on a busted wheel. Anyone that watched the game could see he wasn’t close to 100% and his limited mobility changed the game.
I’d also argue that had the refs called the game like they did against GB and the KC defenders didn’t get ticky tack calls against them it’s a different ball game.
Rodgers may have been MVP but Mahomes is the best QB in the league. He’s already accomplished more in the playoffs than Rodgers has in a much shorter timeframe.
So, in a nutshell, if Rodgers is bent that he’s underpaid compared to Mahomes, well, I’d say he can go get bent.
Meanwhile, Brady has made a lot less per year than either guy so while Rodgers sharpens that chip on his shoulder and takes another shot of bitterness swill, TB12 just racks up titles and improves his leadership and closing ability.
Dougherty had a good piece today about the same thing Silverstein said, but his point was, it never should have gotten to that point. That Gunt should have had a better relationship going into that draft, and should have communicated "hey, if we take a QB, don't think it's because we are replacing you, this is our thought process."
You don't have to do that with every player, but a HOF QB who has been the face of your franchise, you can throw him that courtesy...as Hank said, he's earned it.
I never felt 12 was threatened by Nub taking his job...I felt he was pissed because of how Gunt handled it. Maybe more of the blame needs to be put on Murphy. Maybe it needs to be put more on MLF. Who the fuck knows? But it comes back to what many of us have been pointing out the stupidity of the Trinity of Fuck-Fuck org structure. This shit wouldn't have happened under Harlan, and it sure as fuck wouldn't have happened under Wolf. Strong leaders...not milquetoast wannabe's like Murphy.
That is the burden of leadership at that level...sometimes you have to eat the dog shit and pretend like it's an ice cream sundae. And while everyone is laughing at you pointing out you are eating feces, you smile and say "this is the most delicious ice cream I've ever tasted." Gunt is a personnel guy in GM's clothing. If managing players egos is too heavy for you, go back to being the head of scouting.
Exactly. It's likely the reason why communication was shit in the first place.
Think about the Rizzi situation. You have a proven coach that can only help your team. His salary isn't a cap hit or anything but you pass on the guy and hire a schlub that never coached in the NFL before.
Is that a commitment to winning or dick swinging?
If Aaron Rodgers retires (to host Jeopardy or just retire), he would have to repay the team $11.5M this year and $11.5M if he remains retired next year — all from his signing bonus. Unless the situation is repaired to his liking, this is a serious consideration, I’m told. https://t.co/kEQwpexqX0
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 30, 2021
I do not see AR wanting to cough up 22 million. Maybe he does, but I doubt it.
@Chongo posted:I never felt 12 was threatened by Nub taking his job...I felt he was pissed because of how Gunt handled it. Maybe more of the blame needs to be put on Murphy. Maybe it needs to be put more on MLF. Who the fuck knows? But it comes back to what many of us have been pointing out the stupidity of the Trinity of Fuck-Fuck org structure. This shit wouldn't have happened under Harlan, and it sure as fuck wouldn't have happened under Wolf. Strong leaders...not milquetoast wannabe's like Murphy.
It's easy to forget that Wolf/Harlan weren't perfect either. They botched things pretty badly after Holmgren left, first getting an overmatched Ray Rhodes to coach 1 season, then giving Mike Sherman full GM/coaching duties just 2 years later because they didn't want Favre to have 4 different head coaches in 4 years. Harlan and Wolf were great, but that really was a few years of colossal mismanagement.
This isn't just about Nub. This isn't just about them not drafting a WR in round 1 in forever. This is about a general lack of respect 12 perceives to come from Gunt over the lack of communication.
He has said countless times he wants to retire a Packer. Gunt is like the accountant who neglects his wife because he's so busy counting beans he never pays her any attention, then is blindsided when he catches her porking the poolboy.
Is 12 a Hall of Fame grudge holder and a bit of a prima donna? Yup. But he's the franchise and that's what he gets to do. TBH, he's been far less of a prima donna than Bert, who if you remember was excused from daily press duties...the Packers would shelter him away as soon as he was done dressing and then let the media into the locker room.
The burden on Gunt is to repair this, even at the cost of looking like a fucking eunuch. Be a man, put on your bib and start nom-nom-nomming on that turd sundae. FIGURE IT OUT!!! THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE PAID TO DO.
