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it's probably come up but I ain't reading all this.  if AR is such a brilliant fella how come he signed this contract WILLINGLY in the first place?  he could see how the last years were structured.  did he knowingly sign it figuring "I'll just whine/sabotage my way into a new contract when I get to those last years"?

and that's all I got to say about this soap opera.  play for the Pack, don't play for the Pack, I don't give a flying fvck.  I root for the Packers not for AR.

I'm disappointed in the fans. There have been no FlightAware updates.



@H5 posted:

I'm disappointed in the fans. There have been no FlightAware updates.



Probably packing up his locker

After having sex withheld from her over a 2 month period Henry’s lady finally got the message. As a sign of affection she now says,

”I Rodgers you, sweetie”.

That other word is permanently banned from the Henry household.

Henry, I Rodgers you, man.

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Many, media & fans, are thinking about this from the perspective of it being a game, versus thinking about it from the perspective of it being a business.

The Packers look at personnel decisions from the perspective of it being a business. They're in the business of winning football games/championships so that plays into it, but it still is a business.

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@H5 posted:

I'm disappointed in the fans. There have been no FlightAware updates.



Pfft!  Probably just Ryan Braun doing a check-in at Applebee's.

@Tdog posted:

it's probably come up but I ain't reading all this.  if AR is such a brilliant fella how come he signed this contract WILLINGLY in the first place?  he could see how the last years were structured.  did he knowingly sign it figuring "I'll just whine/sabotage my way into a new contract when I get to those last years"?

and that's all I got to say about this soap opera.  play for the Pack, don't play for the Pack, I don't give a flying fvck.  I root for the Packers not for AR.

Right? People should just shut up and live up to the contracts they signed. Without fail. Without complaint. Without trying to whine or sabotage it. Without trying to end the existing contract early because they no longer like it anymore.

Speaking of this very principled stance... I searched the site, and I cannot find a similar complaint when Gutekunst released Christian Kirksey even though Kirksey was still under a contract. If Gutekunst is such a brilliant fella how come he signed this contract WILLINGLY in the first place? He could see how the last year was structured. Did he knowingly sign it figuring "I'll just sabotage a player and release him whenever I decide I don't like the last years of this contract anymore?"

I can only imagine the outrage you must have felt when that happened given your position on contracts and sticking to them. Which is why I was a bit stunned not to read a similar complaint in mid February about Kirksey.

Did you delete it after the fact or?

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NFL contracts are worth the guaranteed money plus the recycled paper rate of the stuff they're printed on, that's it, but gods-forbid one of those uppity employees gets it in their head to try and work things in their best interests. They should all feel lucky to have a job in the first place! Who cares if their brains and bodies get scrambled and most don't earn past 30, it's all about the team, and that's where my allegiance is!

@Goalline posted:

After having sex withheld from her over a 2 month period Henry’s lady finally got the message. As a sign of affection she now says,

”I Rodgers you, sweetie”.

That other word is permanently banned from the Henry household.

Henry, I Rodgers you, man.

If by lady you mean yak, then sure.

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It’s the NFL. Players are commodities. Unethical and immoral shit happens all the time. Teams and players and agents fuck each other over on a regular basis.  

To that extent, no fan should try to take the high ground on that issue.  If you watch and follow teams and games you know this - so enough with the outrage already.  Aaron Rodgers knows this as well.  He chose that profession, and takes on all the necessary risks and unpleasantries.

If you want to feel sorry for Rodgers or Gute or Murphy go ahead.  They won’t think twice about any of us.  These people aren’t heroes; I’ll save my empathy for others much more deserving.

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Drew Brees Serves As A Cautionary Tale To Packers:  https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/...-tale-to-packers-443

I think a very fair and strong argument made here as Murphy and Gutekunst ponder things.  And as frustrating as it has been the last few years to be a Packers fan and watch our team get so close to the Super Bowl just to fall one game short, how tough must it have been to be a Saints fan rooting for a team that went all-in, only to lose playoff games in incredibly agonizing fashion year after year:  Lose to the Vikings in 2017 on that last play miracle pass from Case Keenum to Stefon Diggs; Lose in 2018 at home in the NFC Championship Game in OT to the Rams on that horrible no-call on pass interference at the end of the game; Lose in 2019, again in OT, again at home, and again to the Vikings; And lose in 2020, at home, when favored over the Bucs.  One Super Bowl win in any of those 4 years may have justified their entire strategy.  Just like if we had not lost Bakhtiari a week and a half before the Bucs game and Aaron Jones for the 2H, we likely don’t lose the NFC Championship Game by 5 points and probably beat the Chiefs, win the Super Bowl, justifying all the actions Murphy and Gutekunst have taken last few years and avoiding this current off-season mess.  But as the Saints have learned, takes very little to lose key games and kill your grand scheme, leaving you open for second guessing and a questionable future.

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The Saints do serve as a fair warning that nothing, no matter how good it looks on paper and on your roster, is a sure thing. Flukey things happen, injuries happen, guys who aren't expected to suck just plain suck, bad decisions are made, etc.

What if, as someone said two or three pages ago, that Rodgers is seeing Love improve daily and knows that this guy is the real deal? Chances are Rodgers does not really want to go someplace else and start all over again, either. MILF has taken him from the downhill slide to an MVP. Does he really want to leave for the unknown? Call Rodgers' bluff. Make him play his contract this year. He had an MVP year; dare him to do it again.

I don't know what the heck you do if he does it, and let's say Love does look great, but what are the chances? 

Drew Brees Serves As A Cautionary Tale To Packers:  https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/...-tale-to-packers-443

I think a very fair and strong argument made here as Murphy and Gutekunst ponder things.  And as frustrating as it has been the last few years to be a Packers fan and watch our team get so close to the Super Bowl just to fall one game short, how tough must it have been to be a Saints fan rooting for a team that went all-in, only to lose playoff games in incredibly agonizing fashion year after year:  Lose to the Vikings in 2017 on that last play miracle pass from Case Keenum to Stefon Diggs; Lose in 2018 at home in the NFC Championship Game in OT to the Rams on that horrible no-call on pass interference at the end of the game; Lose in 2019, again in OT, again at home, and again to the Vikings; And lose in 2020, at home, when favored over the Bucs.  One Super Bowl win in any of those 4 years may have justified their entire strategy.  Just like if we had not lost Bakhtiari a week and a half before the Bucs game and Aaron Jones for the 2H, we likely don’t lose the NFC Championship Game by 5 points and probably beat the Chiefs, win the Super Bowl, justifying all the actions Murphy and Gutekunst have taken last few years and avoiding this current off-season mess.  But as the Saints have learned, takes very little to lose key games and kill your grand scheme, leaving you open for second guessing and a questionable future.

The point of this article is, I guess, that the Saints are a smoldering crater because they went all in vs the prudent longer term thinking of the Packers?

Yet...

For 2021

The Packers are $15.4M over in total cap space vs the Saints being $13.1M over. Packers are 29th overall, Saints 25th.

The Packers have only $3.5M of cap space (top 51) and the Saints have $800K. Packers are 29th overall, Saints 31st.

Looking at 2022

Packers are dead last in cap space (top 51) and dead last cap space all.

I guess I'm not seeing the issue here. The Saints philosophy in contracts, kicking the can down the road, going all in have not done much of anything to hinder the Saints more than Green Bay. Neither team is sitting on much cap space.

Just like if we had not lost Bakhtiari a week and a half before the Bucs game and Aaron Jones for the 2H, we likely don’t lose the NFC Championship Game by 5 points and probably beat the Chiefs, win the Super Bowl, justifying all the actions Murphy and Gutekunst have taken last few years and avoiding this current off-season mess.  But as the Saints have learned, takes very little to lose key games and kill your grand scheme, leaving you open for second guessing and a questionable future.

If only they had enough talent to help overcome some of these ifs and buts and candy and nuts.

This is the reality.  They didn't win the Super Bowl and the guy with 3 INTs in the NFCC did.

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I expected those two to not make an impact on the game....however, the Smith brothers were invisible and our o-line that so was good all year got their asses handed to them. Was this just "they had bad games" or were the TB fronts just that much better than ours?

@Henry posted:

Do you actually believe this?

Everyone looked at Rodgers as being on the downside for the two years before MLF came aboard, and he played well in MILF's first year but it wasn't until last year when he bought into the system completely that he returned to MVP form. So, yes, MLF helped return Rodgers to MVP status. Do you think if MM were still around he would be playing this well? Under MLF, you have guys running open on almost every play, Rodgers throwing to RBs like never before, Adams playing at an elite level, plays actually designed for the TE, Rodgers throwing on timing, and so on. And best of all, Rodgers isn't playing sandlot ball. Yes, I think MLF had a lot to do with Rodgers returning to MVP form.

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