Rodgers Wants A New Contract?

@Fandame posted:

Everyone looked at Rodgers as being on the downside for the two years before MLF came aboard, and he played well in MILF's first year but it wasn't until last year when he bought into the system completely that he returned to MVP form. So, yes, MLF helped return Rodgers to MVP status. Do you think if MM were still around he would be playing this well? Under MLF, you have guys running open on almost every play, Rodgers throwing to RBs like never before, Adams playing at an elite level, plays actually designed for the TE, Rodgers throwing on timing, and so on. And best of all, Rodgers isn't playing sandlot ball. Yes, I think MLF had a lot to do with Rodgers returning to MVP form.

Who is everyone?  A down Rodgers year is a career year for any other QB.

Having a system take a dump isn't the same as a player taking a dump.  Rodgers, along with every other single player on the offense, went through a scheme change.  Pretty common for scheme changes to start hitting stride in the 2nd or 3rd year.

Mayo didn't resurrect Rodgers career, he brought in a functioning offense.

Also, see the schlomo's at WR.  The first year of Mayo's offense created the WRB position.

@FLPACKER posted:

I expected those two to not make an impact on the game....however, the Smith brothers were invisible and our o-line that so was good all year got their asses handed to them. Was this just "they had bad games" or were the TB fronts just that much better than ours?

Tampa D front exceptionally better.  That's where it really broke down.

@Henry posted:

Who is everyone?  A down Rodgers year is a career year for any other QB.

Having a system take a dump isn't the same as a player taking a dump.  Rodgers, along with every other single player on the offense, went through a scheme change.  Pretty common for scheme changes to start hitting stride in the 2nd or 3rd year.

Mayo didn't resurrect Rodgers career, he brought in a functioning offense.

Also, see the schlomo's at WR.  The first year of Mayo's offense created the WRB position.

I used the word "resurrected." And that's probably too strong a description. Maybe the more apt term would be rejuvenated. No doubt AR suffered from stagnance in the last days of McVince, and had growing pains in the first year of the new offense. It was the subject of a ton of debate.

But Rodgers had also allowed his mechanics to become sloppy. He was constantly throwing off his back foot, not trusting what his eyes were seeing and taking more sacks which then gave way to an inordinate number of throwaways.

His numbers dipped and the losses mounted, even if his statline was still on the upper end of the league. The second year of the offense required an investment from him, and he did just that and played well enough to win MVP. But i think the apathy/reluctance of his trust in his HC's definitely manifested on the field. He should get a ton of credit for what he did last year, but the reason those numbers look as great as they do is at least partially because the previous two years are so starkly different in relation to 2020.

Listening to Mike Lombardi on NFL radio a couple of weeks ago ... he said the two things that AR initially didn't like about the offense were ; 1) Motion - he did not explain why? 2) On play action AR had never turned his back to the defense since he always wanted to be seeing the defense. Lombardi said that this had AR skittish in the pocket, looking for oncoming pass rushers instead of looking down the field. Seems like a benefit of Covid was all the meeting time he and the staff had, appears to have helped AR and the staff streamline he offense & make AR feel more ownership of it?

@ammo posted:

So NFL has pulled ad featuring Rodgers/Mahomes match up and replaced it with Mahomes/Jackson match up.  Do they know something we don't?

https://247sports.com/college/...nKGFsuafQdpuXXeyDuOg

Yep, they definitely know something. I have it on good authority that Gute and A-Rod were screaming at each other on the phone. Making zero progress... just a really bad situation. Then the ghost of Vince Lombardi got on the call somehow. He mumbled something about blockers and sending a runner through an ALLEY... but after a minute Gute and Rodgers finally got his attention.

Vince told them that above all, above team, above God, above country. There is... "The Shield(tm)":

When Gute and Rodgers thought about The Shield (tm) they finally came to their senses and added the NFL's ad team to a conference call and explained that Coach Lombardi showed them what was truly important, and that the NFL should maybe pull the Mahomes vs Rodgers ads because it would appear that they are at an impasse.

@Henry posted:

Tampa D front exceptionally better.  That's where it really broke down.

And no Bakhtiari.

@artis posted:

I used the word "resurrected." And that's probably too strong a description. Maybe the more apt term would be rejuvenated. No doubt AR suffered from stagnance in the last days of McVince, and had growing pains in the first year of the new offense. It was the subject of a ton of debate.

But Rodgers had also allowed his mechanics to become sloppy. He was constantly throwing off his back foot, not trusting what his eyes were seeing and taking more sacks which then gave way to an inordinate number of throwaways.

His numbers dipped and the losses mounted, even if his statline was still on the upper end of the league. The second year of the offense required an investment from him, and he did just that and played well enough to win MVP. But i think the apathy/reluctance of his trust in his HC's definitely manifested on the field. He should get a ton of credit for what he did last year, but the reason those numbers look as great as they do is at least partially because the previous two years are so starkly different in relation to 2020.

Rejuvenated is the better word. When opposing teams start calling out the route combinations on most plays before the snap, you knew MM's offense had gotten stale.

While MLF clearly helped Rodgers by making things easier on him by actually scheming guys open, having a HOF QB like Rodgers clearly helped MLF as well (about as Captain Obvious as it gets). MLF was coming off a year as OC of the Titans where his QBs (primarily Mariota) threw 15 TDs against 12 interceptions. While Adams is better than anyone the Titans had at WR, he had D. Henry as his lead back, so it's not like he didn't have some talent to work with.

Without Rodgers, MLF is still a good coach, but ARs down year in 2019 with the new scheme was 26 TDs and 4 interceptions. If the next QB produces at that kind of level in ANY year, we'd all be thrilled.

It's been quiet but I'm sure there is a lot going on behind the scenes.  James Palmer from NFL Network claims "Sources inside the organization" say the Donkeys still think they have a shot at trading for 12.

Aaron Rodgers to the #Broncos. It’s a fit that makes sense to a lot of people. Including ones inside the organization. My report on @nflnetwork pic.twitter.com/4danQDARRM

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) May 10, 2021

Giants will get Rodgers, not Broncos, if he is traded.

no way they send him to an NFC team.

I doubt the Packers would want to trade him to an NFC team, but if a team like the Giants offered more than Denver or Oakland you have to consider it.  Getting the most back is important.

@YATittle posted:

Giants will get Rodgers, not Broncos, if he is traded.

The NFL would be salivating at this. It would be just like Favre to the Jets in that ESPN could just have what seemed like several full-time reporters camped out in New York and lead every Sportscenter with a Rodgers update.

Having said that, I'm not sure Rodgers is a good fit for the NY media market. Part of Favre's strength was that he really didn't care what the media (or anyone else thought about him). He was like the DB who gets burned for a long TD that immediately has to forget about it and keep playing the same way. Favre's strength and weakness was that he'd just go sling it the same way after a boneheaded play and often pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Rodgers, on the other hand, catalogs every perceived slight and holds grudges for years (even decades). The first time the Giants lost a game there'd be NY Post covers showing Shailene Woodley and coming up with some tabloid headline asking if her presence was distracting Rodgers, etc. He might be the worst fit for any all-time great to play in NYC.

Who cares....the best fit for Lame Duck is the team willing to give up the most to the Packers.

@Pikes Peak posted:

Who cares....the best fit for Lame Duck is the team willing to give up the most to the Packers.

As long as it wasn't in the NFC North... almost goes without sayin'.

That’s my point as well

He doesn’t have a no trade clause so if this can’t be repaired you deal him to the team that is willing to give you the most back in return.  If Rodgers doesn’t like it too fucking bad.  Then bury the hatchet and come back to GB.

And I didn’t

@Fandame posted:

As long as it wasn't in the NFC North... almost goes without sayin'.

Nope, line up the Vikings and Bears too and charge them 10 years worth of first rounders. If they’ll pay send him there.

Since the Vikes have a franchise QB and the Bears just drafted theirs and the Lions have a new first rounder on their roster I doubt any would be interested in AR.  

@YATittle posted:

Giants will get Rodgers, not Broncos, if he is traded.

And you know this how?

@YooperPackfan posted:

And you know this how?

Schaefter told me.

Jan 24/25, 2021  -  Rodgers says he doesn't know what the future holds and he knows it is out of his hands. Reporters take this to mean he wants a new contract - fair assumption considering the Packers could move on from him after this season with minimal cap impact.

Sometime in the past 3 months...  Reports (but not confirmed) that the Packers offered Rodgers an extension, which he declined.

May 10, 2021  -  What has really changed? Is Rodgers pissed? We don't know, we only know that there is an issue in the relationship. That issue is likely nothing more than the commitment/term discussions they've been having. Really, why would it be anything more than that?

*edit*   It is well known that Rodgers is a bit sensitive when it comes to how he is perceived. So he may be a bit butthurt with the overall situation. Which his performance somewhat supports, at least from his perspective.

CBS sports is going wild with talking teams he should go to, and how the Broncos have again put together a deal to get him.

The deal is pretty simple to me

1st round pick in 2022 and 2023.  2nd round pick in 2022 or 2023.   Teddy Bridgewater as well.

Plus a combo of two of any of these players:

Jerry Jeudy, Noah Fant, Dre’Mont Jones, or  Netane Muti.

I’d prefer Jeudy and Jones.  They are under very cap friendly contracts from 2021-2023 and they fill a need.  Jones would be an immediate upgrade at one of the two DE positions, and Jeudy gives you really good quality depth assuming the Packers don’t bring back all their WRs after this year.

I didn’t list Surtain II but if he’s available I’d take him instead of one of the first round picks.

So Jeudy and Surtain and Jones, a 1st and 2nd?   Teddy can battle it out with Love to see who starts in 2021.  

@4 Favre posted:

Yep, they definitely know something. I have it on good authority that Gute and A-Rod were screaming at each other on the phone. Making zero progress... just a really bad situation. Then the ghost of Vince Lombardi got on the call somehow. He mumbled something about blockers and sending a runner through an ALLEY... but after a minute Gute and Rodgers finally got his attention.

Vince told them that above all, above team, above God, above country. There is... "The Shield(tm)":

When Gute and Rodgers thought about The Shield (tm) they finally came to their senses and added the NFL's ad team to a conference call and explained that Coach Lombardi showed them what was truly important, and that the NFL should maybe pull the Mahomes vs Rodgers ads because it would appear that they are at an impasse.

Please... this is The Shield!

@Tschmack posted:

That’s my point as well

He doesn’t have a no trade clause so if this can’t be repaired you deal him to the team that is willing to give you the most back in return.  If Rodgers doesn’t like it too fucking bad.  Then bury the hatchet and come back to GB.

You are correct, his contract does not have a no trade clause.  But if NOG doesn't like where he is traded to all he has to do is not show up or retire and the deal is off.  So in effect all NFL players have a no trade clause.

Which is very likely if the FO keeps doing the stupid shit that created this situation.  I'm sure the tough guy "shut and play" approach should work well again.

@FinnLander posted:

Please... this is The Shield!

Right now they're flying under Goodell's radar. What are you trying to do exactly? If Rog sees this shit he'll have the NFL's lawyers smash up every old DVD and pull it from all the streaming services so fast you'd think you had CTE for ever imagining such a show existed in the first place!

Rodgers isn’t going to retire.  He might sit out for a period of time, but that becomes expensive in a hurry.

The situation can be fixed if he wants it fixed or is open to burying the hatchet. If not, well, buh bye after June 1 to the highest bidder.  If Rodgers wanted more control over his situation he should have hired an agent that could have negotiated a better contract with more options.  

Why someone like LeBron or Rodgers or Trout needs an agent in the first place is beyond me.  Their star power alone lessens the need to have one of those money hungry bastards in control of their future.  

He probably negotiated that contract on good faith the FO actually valued his contributions.

The point is his agent needs to earn his fucking money.  Go figure out a way to help your client AND the Packers get out of this mess.

Oh, he represents Jordan Love as well you say?   Talk about a conflict of interest.  That would be like Russ Ball managing the cap and having full control over the draft and roster decisions.

His agent has zero responsibility to help the Packers.  He's there to negotiate a contract best for his client or to his client's wishes, not fix the Packers fucked up FO.

Pretty sure agents have multiple clients.  Love and Rodgers made the decision to sign up with Dunn, not the other way around.

Also, Ball has had personnel control, which shows you how fucked up this FO is.

You do understand that his agent got his client to agree to his current contract, right?   The contract that basically states the team can move on after this season or trade him to basically any team they want?  Or if he retires the team can recoup 30MM and still retain his rights?   Either the fucked up FO did a remarkable job structuring that deal or his agent fell asleep at the wheel and agreed to those conditions in the first place.  

So abso fucking lutely David Dunn has skin in the game.  Even more so considering they don’t want to burn Jordan Love in the process since he is also a client.

Rodgers, Gute, Murphy, and Dunn need to sit down in a fucking room and not leave until they figure it out.  Put your 3 inch dicks away and get down to business of resolving this.

@Tschmack posted:

The point is his agent needs to earn his fucking money.  Go figure out a way to help your client AND the Packers get out of this mess.

Players agents have no responsibility whatsoever with helping the franchise. The only people responsible for getting the Packers out of this mess is the Packers.

@Tschmack posted:

Oh, he represents Jordan Love as well you say?   Talk about a conflict of interest.  That would be like Russ Ball managing the cap and having full control over the draft and roster decisions.

How is an agent representing multiple NFL players a conflict of interest?

Rodgers would be out $32.7m if he sat out this year - he would have to pay back $17.5m in roster and signing bonus, and pass on his $15.2m in salary.  If it turns into a 2 year retirement, he pays back another $11.5m and passes on a $25m salary.  I just don't see him passing on nearly $70m in cash over 2 years. 

I still think they work it out.  It makes the most sense for both sides. 

It should make sense for both sides, if they can get past their precious sensibilities and self absorbed I can do no wrong bullshit.

The best outcome for Rodgers and the team is for him to be their starting QB for the next few years.  That is, if the parties truly believe and agree that winning a title is the most important objective.  

You give him a raIse and guarantee the next 3 years and that still gives you a chance to evaluate Love.  

@Tschmack posted:

You do understand that his agent got his client to agree to his current contract, right?   The contract that basically states the team can move on after this season or trade him to basically any team they want?  Or if he retires the team can recoup 30MM and still retain his rights?   Either the fucked up FO did a remarkable job structuring that deal or his agent fell asleep at the wheel and agreed to those conditions in the first place.  

So abso fucking lutely David Dunn has skin in the game.  Even more so considering they don’t want to burn Jordan Love in the process since he is also a client.

Rodgers, Gute, Murphy, and Dunn need to sit down in a fucking room and not leave until they figure it out.  Put your 3 inch dicks away and get down to business of resolving this.

You continue to discount the amazing leverage Rodgers has just by being Rodgers. You do realize he signed this contract before the whole Jordan Love stupidity? Rodgers was acting on a level of good faith and they shit on the guy with the "shut up and play football" schtick while flat out threatening his position on the team even though there was ZERO reason to do so. As stated before, Gunt as been looking at QBs since he walked onto the job.

Aren't we going to bitch about the contract that has guys like fucking Dak Prescott making more money?

You should start your own thread where you can sit around and bitch nonstop about the FO.

I am not ready for the rodgers era to be over, not when we are this close; but it takes 2 to tango.  this guy did sign his contract, but similar to what someone else said, so did kirksey - packers cut him.  so contracts are just papers.  I just hope whatever happens it does so sooner rather than later so at least we know what we have and move on.  if 17 also does not re-sign as a solidarity thing - you have to start accounting for this type of thing becoming a domino effect and instead of being a great place to play football, fa sees -> cold, dreary green bay, the shithole of the nfl...nobody wants that.  my biggest concern is not soley ar - so the rodgers era does not stop at him, but the other blue chippers we currently have...and not just the  contract stuff, but the fractures in the lockerroom.  do guys start taking sides? will stokes resent rodgers bc he took his draft day away? sounds stupid, maybe, maybe not...maybe that kind of crap happens in the nfl.

@Tschmack posted:

The best outcome for Rodgers and the team is for him to be their starting QB for the next few years.  That is, if the parties truly believe and agree that winning a title is the most important objective.  

It absolutely is the best outcome.  The reason this whole issue is occurring is the FO has shown winning a title isn't a priority, continual "building for the future is" even though they have a HOF QB that has been completely dedicated.

@bdplant posted:

You should start your own thread where you can sit around and bitch nonstop about the FO.

Guess what idiot, that's what this entire issue is about.  Are you going to post in this thread what villain Rodgers is?

You clowns are seriously the biggest bunch of homer pussies ever.

Golly gee, what ever would you discuss in a thread about Rodgers thinking the team fucked him over to the point he never wants to play for the organization again.

I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure Rodgers is the key to the fucking Super Bowl, not the assholes in the FO.  As a fan, I want them to win a Super Bowl.  It's beyond laughable that these stupid fucks found a way to alienate one of the best QBs to ever play the game.  That is ungodly ineptitude.

KC basically let Mahomes tell them what he wanted in a 1st round draft pick and these fucks can't even give him the courtesy of a phone call.

Maybe you should be a little more concerned the future of the Packers is in the hands of these slapdicks.

Fucking moron.