@Goalline posted:Out of my depth?😂😂😂😂You are the one literally crying over a kid’s game. I don’t give a shit who wins a Super Bowl or not. YOU DO!
Crying? Nice try, loser.
Money under the cap means nothing if you draft like crap.
21 years on X4. First blocked poster.😂
@Goalline posted:I know you think what you are saying here is super profound. IT IS NOT! You are not a 12 year old boy. Grow the fuck up and stop worshipping super heroes. IDIOT!
To win, you take best advantage of the talent you get while you have it, period. Throw some money down the road if you have to and give Love a few more years to develop, actually giving HIM the best chance to succeed, as well.
Thompson gutted a solid team in 2005 yet a couple of years later they were in the NFC Championship game again with a couple of decent drafts contributing.
In 2009 and '10 Thompson drafted six guys who contributed quickly as well as Rodgers and a couple of others developing. After that, only his 2013 draft really amounted to much.
As former Bills GM Buddy Nix said, the difference between being as genius and unemployed as a GM is finding a franchise QB.
@Herschel posted:To win, you take best advantage of the talent you get while you have it, period. Throw some money down the road if you have to and give Love a few more years to develop, actually giving HIM the best chance to succeed, as well.
Thompson gutted a solid team in 2005 yet a couple of years later they were in the NFC Championship game again with a couple of decent drafts contributing.
In 2009 and '10 Thompson drafted six guys who contributed quickly as well as Rodgers and a couple of others developing. After that, only his 2013 draft really amounted to much.
As former Bills GM Buddy Nix said, the difference between being as genius and unemployed as a GM is finding a franchise QB.
I'm going to quote you just to piss off Goalline.
Can I ask here, how many times has Aaron got the penalty on the opponents having to many players on the field??? Just thinking about ALL Aaron’s talents.....and this one always gets me.......love it. It’s such a minor infraction really, 5 yards, but he’s just so good at it.
@Dr._Bob posted:Money under the cap means nothing if you draft like crap.
Also true. Jacksonville had a lot of cap space with few worth extending. While it was expensive, Gutekunst going out and getting Smith, Smith, Amos and Turner a couple of years ago was at least (cap) money spent on viable talent.
@Goldie posted:Can I ask here, how many times has Aaron got the penalty on the opponents having to many players on the field??? Just thinking about ALL Aaron’s talents.....and this one always gets me.......love it. It’s such a minor infraction really, 5 yards, but he’s just so good at it.
It isn’t so minor, Goldie. Generally it extends drives. Drives that end in touchdowns.
I will remember this Mike Florio, and I will find you! Lets have a chat. Someone please @ him https://t.co/HBcpAofc7F
— John Kuhn (@kuhnj30) May 13, 2021
@SteveLuke posted:There was only 1 aspect of the GB Packers organization that was truly SPECIAL throughout the 2008-2020 time period -- and no it was not Mark Murphy.
Greg Jennings!!
@Henry posted:How many Super Bowls have the Rams and 9ers won recently?
If you're going to have a average to slightly above average QB a top 5 defense is a necessity and you're going to have hope you get a lot of productive skill guys on rookie contracts.
For all of the complaining about Rodgers contract how much does he cover up for on defense and at skill positions? Say you go in on FA's for defense with Love being a glorified game manager. What percentage of the cap goes to guys that you need to have a great defense? How much goes to skill guys that you need to create YAC if your QB is Alex Smith? You're throwing in a huge chunk on defense and oline, which I think is mandatory, and likely getting the same results; bounced out of the playoffs.
A "B" grade team across the board is a wild card team at best.
Rams and 49ers have each been to Super Bowls in last 5 years, with mediocre QBs.
@H5 posted:I will remember this Mike Florio, and I will find you! Lets have a chat. Someone please @ him https://t.co/HBcpAofc7F
— John Kuhn (@kuhnj30) May 13, 2021
Wouldn't an "Aaron Rodgers surrogate" more likely be on the other side of the ledger in this story? Mike Florio, anti-Aaron Rodgers surrogate douche.
I would pay to see that beatdown, best 5 seconds ever.
@RochNyFan posted:Rams and 49ers have each been to Super Bowls in last 5 years, with mediocre QBs.
Won. How many have the won. That was the key word in that phrase.
Who beat the 9ers? Mahomes. Who beat the Rams? Brady.
Also, let me add that those defenses were created with years of high draft picks and big FA spending as well.
Henry is right, it takes years.
I wonder if she is in the studio working on her next masterpiece?
To get to the SB, it can take a good QB and a great D. To win it, it most often takes a consistently great D, and a great QB in moments. Last year in the NFCC, Brady was nothing if not average with three INTs; the D was awesome. The Chiefs were about the same. In the SB, Brady shines and the D is awesome; Mahomes is on the run and sucks, their D fails; guess who wins? The 9ers before that, the Rams, etc., etc. Sometimes, a good QB wins the SB with a great D; the Ravens with Dilfer come to mind.
Rodgers has not been able to overcome the awfulness of the GB defense. You would think that over the past 10 years he would have been able to score enough to secure a win in the playoffs at least once or twice. That's a valid criticism.
Rodgers isn't without blame. There's times in big games where he doesn't come through. I think of last year's third down -- run the effin' ball rather than make a forced, hopeless pass.
Rodgers has blown hot and cold in big playoff games. He is the best QB I have ever seen, but we are paying him like he is doing it by himself. No QB can do it by themselves.
Brady's super power is that he leaves money on the table so the team can sign the best quality teammates possible. Gute has shown that he is more than willing to sign quality free agents if he has the cap room. Aaron should allow the team some cap room to sign some free agents.
The question is, why won't Rodgers leave cap room? If it's about winning championships, you'd think he could see that especially after what Adams said. If it's all about the money, then that's where we are today. If it's all about his thin skin and not being consulted on every little move the team makes, then seek the trade and be done.
Nobody knows what was offered. I'm sure the FO is thinking they can throw money at him but it's pretty clear it's about a long term commitment to him and winning a Super Bowl while he's here.
They approached him with a restructure with no security. He told them to fuck off.
Getting a call about drafting the latest guy Dumb Gunt has tried to replace Rodgers with isn't being thin skinned. It's good management.
So, should Bak be consulted on every OL they bring in who might play LT? Or Adams be consulted on every WR they bring in who might displace him one day? Bak is a HOFer. Of course, Rodgers is notoriously thin-skinned, but when do you turn your team over the players? Someone said Mahomes got to make the team's choice in the first round. Do the players start to build that into their contracts -- how much say they get in running the team? Is that where all of this is headed?
@Fandame posted:The question is, why won't Rodgers leave cap room? If it's about winning championships, you'd think he could see that especially after what Adams said. If it's all about the money, then that's where we are today. If it's all about his thin skin and not being consulted on every little move the team makes, then seek the trade and be done.
I don't think it's all about championships. Most players say that in public but making a lot of money matters more than they'll ever say. Just look at JJ Watt. Best chance to contribute to a championship was to come to Green Bay for $5m a year. He took triple that to go to a team with no chance. So clearly it was not all about a championship for him.
And I will never judge a player for maximizing their earnings, but I also don't buy the "it's all about championships" talk either. It's been said in this thread already, but Brady is really the only QB that has clearly taken less money. He's also seen the most team success. Yes, a lot more goes into that but again, it can't just be a coincidence.
@Henry posted:Nobody knows what was offered. I'm sure the FO is thinking they can throw money at him but it's pretty clear it's about a long term commitment to him and winning a Super Bowl while he's here.
They approached him with a restructure with no security. He told them to fuck off.
Getting a call about drafting the latest guy Dumb Gunt has tried to replace Rodgers with isn't being thin skinned. It's good management.
The one year we had cap room Gute couldn't sign enough free agents. And you think he doesn't want to go "all in"?
Yes, because he completely ignored the defense in the previous draft and FA even after getting thrashed by the 9ers right up the gut of the defense.
Call me kooky, but that would be a bit of a red flag.
@Fandame posted:So, should Bak be consulted on every OL they bring in who might play LT? Or Adams be consulted on every WR they bring in who might displace him one day? Bak is a HOFer. Of course, Rodgers is notoriously thin-skinned, but when do you turn your team over the players? Someone said Mahomes got to make the team's choice in the first round. Do the players start to build that into their contracts -- how much say they get in running the team? Is that where all of this is headed?
It's the most important position in sports, not just football.
Yes, you consult your HOF QB or at minimum let him know WTF is going on. A phone call. Dumb Gunt couldn't even do that.
That's the way it is. This is the modern NFL and star QBs hold outsized sway.
Seriously, the Chiefs let Mahomes make the call on their first round pick. Would I go that far? No, but I would give a guy like Rodgers or Mahomes a heads up if I was drafting his possible replacement by actively moving up in the first round to get him.
That isn't a 3rd round development pick, that isn't a mid round flyer. That's a statement of this guy is going to replace you and with the previous actions of the idiot FO it'll be sooner rather than later regardless of your level of play.
@Henry posted:Yes, because he completely ignored the defense in the previous draft and FA even after getting thrashed by the 9ers right up the gut of the defense.
Call me kooky, but that would be a bit of a red flag.
You don't even know who was available to help us, even with the benefit of hindsight, yet you think he "ignored" the defense in the draft? You must think there are a 1000 defensive super stars waiting to be drafted every year.
Free agency? What cap room?
@Henry posted:It's the most important position in sports, not just football.
Yes, you consult your HOF QB or at minimum let him know WTF is going on. A phone call. Dumb Gunt couldn't even do that.
That's the way it is. This is the modern NFL and star QBs hold outsized sway.
Seriously, the Chiefs let Mahomes make the call on their first round pick. Would I go that far? No, but I would give a guy like Rodgers or Mahomes a heads up if I was drafting his possible replacement by actively moving up in the first round to get him.
That isn't a 3rd round development pick, that isn't a mid round flyer. That's a statement of this guy is going to replace you and with the previous actions of the idiot FO it'll be sooner rather than later regardless of your level of play.
Yes you would. If Rodgers was asking for a trade because Rodgers wanted to make all the picks you'd be squawking about the incompetence of the FO. Hell, if Rodgers' had requested that we sacrifice a virgin to make him stay you would be shoving Fedya right to the gates of 1265 the next day.
You seriously can't think that if the Chiefs let Mahomes choose the first pick, that Rodgers, who does ads with Mahomes, didn't think, "WTF? He gets to choose who to draft? Here I am with a SB, three MVPs, etc., and I don't get even a call?" The Chiefs FO made a huge mistake there if that's what really happened.
I wonder, and I'm serious, if LeBron or Giannis or any NBA or any other league pro player gets called before the draft to say either a) "Hey, you wanna make the choice?" or b) "We're gonna draft someone who might take your spot."
These guys are pros and it should be all about competition. Now, could you argue Rodgers should get paid more after last year when the drafting of Love helped push him? Yes. But is it enough to break the bank and give him a lifetime guarantee when he will turn 38 this year?
To say there were no better options than Lancaster or Lowry is fucking absurd. Gunt literally could've spammed the position like he's so fond of doing and likely found someone who could contribute in the rotation.
Instead, he drafts an oft injured ILB in the 5th round. That's it.
Cap wizard Ball found cap space this year to get them under while dicking Rodgers around. I'm sure finding a mid-tier FA was doable.
Finish the job.
@Fandame posted:You seriously can't think that if the Chiefs let Mahomes choose the first pick, that Rodgers, who does ads with Mahomes, didn't think, "WTF? He gets to choose who to draft? Here I am with a SB, three MVPs, etc., and I don't get even a call?" The Chiefs FO made a huge mistake there if that's what really happened.
I wonder, and I'm serious, if LeBron or Giannis or any NBA or any other league pro player gets called before the draft to say either a) "Hey, you wanna make the choice?" or b) "We're gonna draft someone who might take your spot."
These guys are pros and it should be all about competition. Now, could you argue Rodgers should get paid more after last year when the drafting of Love helped push him? Yes. But is it enough to break the bank and give him a lifetime guarantee when he will turn 38 this year?
It did happen. Just like Ariens giving Tom Brady a call about drafting a QB this year.
It's managing people. My god, Brandt, Holmgren called bullshit on the FO for not handling the situation. Even Dumb Gunt said he maybe kinda should've gave Rodgers a heads up. A phone call, a simple friggin' phone call.
@Henry posted:To say there were no better options than Lancaster or Lowry is fucking absurd. Gunt literally could've spammed the position like he's so fond of doing and likely found someone who could contribute in the rotation.
Instead, he drafts an oft injured ILB in the 5th round. That's it.
Cap wizard Ball found cap space this year to get them under while dicking Rodgers around. I'm sure finding a mid-tier FA was doable.
Finish the job.
It is not about improving the play of Lancaster and Lowry, 2 guys who were hardly to blame for the loss to the Bucs. It is about signing replacements who can help us win.
Where is the evidence ball did anything to Rodgers?
The FO came to him with a weak restructure with the same ability to jettison him. Between Gunt seeking out turd QBs and Ball with the "who gives a shit you had an MVP season" how much louder could the message be?
Not only are you actively trying to replace me after I did everything you asked but you can't even extend the common decency of a phone call. I'd tell the tough guy FO to go fuck themselves too.