@Blair Kiel posted:You’ve touched on the meaning of life:
Get yours.
Get out.
Fuck everyone.
I’m living that dream.
I think I'll follow your lead.
No, I refuse to be assimilated.
Yes, I would like a root beer float.
@Tschmack posted:It is a bit ironic that self serving and self centered people like Brent and Holmy are weighing in on this. I mean, didn’t one force his way out and the other basically quit on the team? While I appreciate everything they’ve done for the Packers, their “insight” means as much as just about any of us fans. In other words, not very much.
On the other hand, I really trust and believe a lot of what a guy like James Jones or Andrew Brandt have to say. In particular, Brandt would have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the FO and player interactions and relationships and doesn’t pull any punches.
I would highly recommend listening to his appearance on the Jim Rome podcast as I think he has nailed this situation and more importantly what can be done (if anything) to remedy the situation. In short, he compliments the FO and critiques them as well which is fair - and quite honestly this is coming from a guy that would know. His description of Ted in particular was fascinating. Basically, he described TT as a HOF level scout and player evaluator with the interactive skills of a 3rd grader. But they knew what they knew and had others (like Brandt) be the intermediary and sounding board to players.
I don’t mind Hank hammering on Gute or Murphy or Ball because let’s be honest - McGinn and others predicted this when they put that stupid triangle of authority structure in place. The dysfunction was exacerbated even more when Brandt pulled back the curtain a bit to talk about the FO culture. If being “inclusive” is all the rage, then the Packers are running this organization like it’s the 1920s mining industry or oil industry. In other words, it’s too much about the bottom line and relationships with the employees that make them the money don’t seem to matter much.
So there you have it.
Yes people will get emotional and take sides it’s human nature. Who cares? It’s fucking football not life or death. I hope they can work this out but if they don’t well life moves on. I mean, what are we talking about here? Rich players and power hungry slappies in the FO generally care only about themselves all while giving the appearance it’s about game. No, it’s about getting yours. These greedy fucks are following the NFL playbook page by page - extract as much money as humanly possible and who cares who gets burned or stepped on in the process.
Solid post. In the end I'll be supporting Love or Rodgers or whoever is QB because I just want to watch some good football. I'm not afraid to go through a rebuild because it's fun to watch young up and comers. That 2010 Super Bowl was the best because of all those young guys with a rock like Woodson manning the helm.
My issue is my aversion to sheer stupidity and that's what this situation is. I also have a serious issue with a propaganda press and that's just carry over from the shit we deal with everyday. I'm fucking over it.
It's a sport, quit being a bunch of fucking homers about it and report the entire reality of it instead of throwing some of the worst shit out there just for clicks. This is a drama that didn't have to exist and all because tough guy idiocy and a basic lack of people management. You don't have to manufacture shit about how Rodgers is failing or a villain. I'm sure he's a walking giant sensitive ego but so the fuck what. Welcome to professional sports.
What Brandt nails so perfectly is you need that guy to handle the relationships and this FO went with the tough guy schtick. It's such a simple concept, especially considering these clowns had a front row seat for this shit previously in this very organization. That's what is so mind boggling. Do people really feel comfortable with the future of the organization with these idiots in charge? I sure don't and this whole circus has made that crystal clear.
@Blair Kiel posted:You’ve touched on the meaning of life:
Get yours.
Get out.
Fuck everyone.
I’m living that dream.
It lacks any substantive argument or response in kind but then I don't expect much from you.
Another thing about Tschmack's post. I'm convinced TT was rolling with Aspergers and that's not a slight. I have a friend who has the same interactive skills as TT but is brilliant otherwise.
It's just a damn shame the way he went out. It hurt the team but it was hard to see a guy so dedicated and talented to drop so precipitously because of his health.
It's a testament to having a solid GM. They didn't need to restructure the FO. The failures came with McVince going stale because TT lost his edge and couldn't effectively manage anymore. Murphy should've recognized it years ago but instead ignored it then blew the whole thing up into this current shit show.
ThanksTed gets a raw deal but much like Ron Wolf when you look purely at player personnel decisions - especially college scouting and the draft - TT should go down as one of the best ever at his profession. I mean, Brandt made a point to say he was the best evaluator he’s ever been around and I don’t think that hyperbole. Ted Thompson was instrumental in building the 90s Packers and the Seahawks into contenders and then did it again with GB later on.
That’s why the 2015-2017 years were so uncharacteristic. Do we honestly think Ted selected Quentin Rollins to play corner? TT made a career scouting and selecting or adding elite level DBs like Collins and Shields and Hayward and Hyde among others. Look at his 2000-2004 drafts with Seattle. We know the other picks like Rodgers and CMIII and Jordy and all the later round picks like Lang and Sitton.
That moron Russ Ball was running the show the last few years while Ted’s health was failing. Fuck you Murphy!
@Henry posted:Another thing about Tschmack's post. I'm convinced TT was rolling with Aspergers and that's not a slight. I have a friend who has the same interactive skills as TT but is brilliant otherwise.
I made that same suggestion a few years back on this board, but at the time a few people scoffed at the notion saying that if that were the case he wouldn't be able to function at the level he was. But I didn't mean it as a slight either. It's just a different way of seeing and responding to the world and I think many people would be surprised at how many high profile and high functioning people fit the bill (Elon Musk anyone?).
Edit: Okay, more than a few years ago and it was just one person who scoffed:
If you need some more scoffing, I'm happy to oblige.
Scoff, scoff, scoff
Signs are showing
...TT seems off
Scoff, scoff, scoff
Dr Bob just says:
Turn your head
and cough, cough, cough
@bvan posted:Heard immunity?
(I'm in a good mood)
You got some, didn't you?
@Dr._Bob posted:I finally feel heard!
True, but does it bother you that it was Satan that heard you?
@Dr._Bob posted:Edit: Okay, more than a few years ago and it was just one person who scoffed:
Dr Bob: "Oops, I missed the obvious point that you probably learned everything you know about Asperger's from South Park. My Apologies."
I am really ready for soap opera music to be piped in not only into this thread but any fu**ing time I hear the latest chapter in this shit show saga....
What do you make of Aaron Rodgers allegedly not telling Aaron Jones during free agency about him wanting out of Green Bay?
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Like sands through the hourglass...
@Blair Kiel posted:You’ve touched on the meaning of life:
Get yours.
Get out.
Fuck everyone.
I’m living that dream.
Wilt Chamberlain may have been the GOAT in relation to number 3 on the list.
@Henry posted:
You claim Gute and the FO are a bunch of of idiots..shouldn’t the smartest QB ever have noticed this when the same front office gave him a contract extension that gave him a $57 million signing bonus, that they were obviously in over their heads, well..according to you.
Gute the schlub, according to you, identified a lack of talent on defense and signed the Smith’s and Amos. Something his predecessor rarely did. Oh yeah, he also suckered Kenny Clark into staying here too. What a giant f*ck up there “Gunt”.
Also,without Gute, you probably don’t get Milt Hendrickson here, who is picking the o lineman..which hey, protects the quarterback..but Henry knows better..
@Henry posted:
The Mike Florio of Detroit.
Wouldn't he be the anti-Florio if he favors Rodgers?
@packerboi posted:I am really ready for soap opera music to be piped in not only into this thread but any fu**ing time I hear the latest chapter in this shit show saga....
What do you make of Aaron Rodgers allegedly not telling Aaron Jones during free agency about him wanting out of Green Bay?
— BigShowNetwork (@BigShowNetwork) May 14, 2021
Call: 855-830-8648
Listen Live: https://t.co/xvxkAIk4v6 pic.twitter.com/BziB340qKMLike sands through the hourglass...
I make nothing of it, allegedly or implausibly, since it's all speculative.
Day 109, nothing has changed.
@Henry posted:What Brandt nails so perfectly is you need that guy to handle the relationships and this FO went with the tough guy schtick. It's such a simple concept, especially considering these clowns had a front row seat for this shit previously in this very organization. That's what is so mind boggling. Do people really feel comfortable with the future of the organization with these idiots in charge? I sure don't and this whole circus has made that crystal clear.
Events of this magnitude are sometimes the death knell for certain parties, even if it doesn't necessarily happen right away. If Murphy doesn't find his way out of this mess, I believe it will spell the end for him. He got a pass in '08 because he was new and there was a HOF qb waiting in the wings, ironically enough.
I'm not overly familiar with all the new revenue streams under his watch-I haven't visited since 2007- but it seems he takes credit for things on his end even if others might be of the opinion that his business decisions are less than stellar. But even if we say he's been the best guy in terms of building brand and buying real estate to put up the kiddy waterslide, a mistake like this has the potential to seriously damage the entire organization. And whether the majority of the board are cold, bloodless, bottom line or staunch Packer homers, the effects of this saga will be undeniably etched in history and could determine the true viability of the smallest market team in sports.
In the late 70s/early 80s, the franchise made one blunder after another- the Hadl trade, poor drafts, keeping Starr too long, doubling down on the glory years with Gregg, sex scandals, etc. Chances are there isn't a Bob Harlan waiting in the wings to salvage what could end up disastrous(that may have gone out the window with John Jones) and it's hard to strike the balance you're alluding to in regard to good business/blind homerism that is unique only to this franchise and no one else. If Murphy can't navigate this, it is his legacy, and when the shit hits the fan no amount of schmoozing the board will help if the results are glaringly awful. Negative perception is bad PR, and the byproducts of Rodgers leaving on bad terms will be an immediate nosedive in any number of ways, including the financial health of the organization.
I don't see the current structure surviving if this pans out the way the media needs it to. If there's one silver lining amid this garbage, click bait, social media mess, it is that such an error on the part of GB/Rodgers will be magnified to the extent that it's simply impossible to hide. The PR disaster may force the powers that be to act much sooner than later. It could possibly even happen if they somehow find their way to a livable outcome. Honestly, the notion that Murphy and friends would end up remaining in GB as they escort the second HOF qb out is preposterous to me. I can't fathom anyone coming out unscathed. There's simply too much at stake and "move along, nothing to see here" won't fly in this day and age.
If i reckon, brandt was in place when favrve happened. he didn't stop much then either, he was on a show can't remember might have been the Big Show, talking about how he took bus cook out to dinner, or golf, but shtf with farvre still...so...smoke em if you got em.
Which I think is why so many fans turned against Favre. The organization appeared to do everything they could with Favre to work things out. That's clearly not the case with Rodgers as the organization made so many mistakes. That's why I think the two cases are so different.
Brandt was there during the whole Brent saga and he said it was a bit of a mess to handle. Brent’s camp and Aaron’s camp trying to orchestrate stuff to benefit themselves.
If you’re buying this all nonsense, realize Mike Florio is behind the latest rumor that our supposed idiot GM promised Rodgers we would trade him..
Brandt has been making the rounds as of late since he was there for Favre, and he signed Rodgers to his 1st contract. I've listened to more than one of those interviews and there are 2 consistent comments from him that caught my attention.
Paraphrasing...
a) Favre was pissed the day after the drafted AR. He was still pissed for the next 3 years, but he played and it never really disrupted the team/locker room. One specific Brandt mentioned came from Favre or Cook - "what do you think it is like coming to work everyday with your replacement sitting next to you?" Brandt also has commented that Cook/Favre asked for a trade regularly but it always came down to the FO telling him he was their guy. Brandt sees Rodgers reacting similarly.
b) I think everyone knows this story. In 2005, when it was the Packers turn to pick in R1, there was only 1 guy left on their board with a 1st round grade, and that was Rodgers. What I've never heard Brandt say before when talking about this is that they had conversations in the draft room to the effect that "we don't need a QB, we got our guy, and weren't going into the draft thinking about getting a QB".
Maybe I've missed it, but that was a new slant on the 2005 Favre/Rodgers situation.
So this made me wonder. Maybe Love was the only player left on their Board in '20 with a 1st round grade, and maybe they had him as top 5 talent? And maybe they weren't thinking about grabbing a QB but couldn't pass up a talent like that?
So much we don't know.
Day 109, nothing has changed.
@Steve of Norway posted:If you’re buying this all nonsense, realize Mike Florio is behind the latest rumor that our supposed idiot GM promised Rodgers we would trade him..
The rumor you read on his website?
"So this made me wonder. Maybe Love was the only player left on their Board in '20 with a 1st round grade, and maybe they had him as top 5 talent? And maybe they weren't thinking about grabbing a QB but couldn't pass up a talent like that?"
I have read stories that THIS was the case, that MLF in particular had met with him and was super impressed, so they traded up to get him. Don't know if it's true.
@H5 posted:Brandt has been making the rounds as of late since he was there for Favre, and he signed Rodgers to his 1st contract. I've listened to more than one of those interviews and there are 2 consistent comments from him that caught my attention.
Paraphrasing...
a) Favre was pissed the day after the drafted AR. He was still pissed for the next 3 years, but he played and it never really disrupted the team/locker room. One specific Brandt mentioned came from Favre or Cook - "what do you think it is like coming to work everyday with your replacement sitting next to you?" Brandt also has commented that Cook/Favre asked for a trade regularly but it always came down to the FO telling him he was their guy. Brandt sees Rodgers reacting similarly.
b) I think everyone knows this story. In 2005, when it was the Packers turn to pick in R1, there was only 1 guy left on their board with a 1st round grade, and that was Rodgers. What I've never heard Brandt say before when talking about this is that they had conversations in the draft room to the effect that "we don't need a QB, we got our guy, and weren't going into the draft thinking about getting a QB".
Maybe I've missed it, but that was a new slant on the 2005 Favre/Rodgers situation.
So this made me wonder. Maybe Love was the only player left on their Board in '20 with a 1st round grade, and maybe they had him as top 5 talent? And maybe they weren't thinking about grabbing a QB but couldn't pass up a talent like that?
So much we don't know.
Day 109, nothing has changed.
Funny, Brent never had a problem with Ty Detmer or Mark Brunell!
@Packiderm posted:Funny, Brent never had a problem with Ty Detmer or Mark Brunell!
Or Kurt Warner.
@Packiderm posted:Funny, Brent never had a problem with Ty Detmer or Mark Brunell!
Do we know that? They were in GB during prime Favre years. Hasselbeck and Brooks might be more applicable as Bert was a bit older at that point. But realistically, the only guy who may have been a threat was Brunell. That was also at a time when flipping qbs is what the Packers did. I think in that regard, this situation isn't quite the same. And even though it's understandable, Rodgers now playing the part of Favre is a fascinating case study, I think.
@YATittle posted:"So this made me wonder. Maybe Love was the only player left on their Board in '20 with a 1st round grade, and maybe they had him as top 5 talent? And maybe they weren't thinking about grabbing a QB but couldn't pass up a talent like that?"
I have read stories that THIS was the case, that MLF in particular had met with him and was super impressed, so they traded up to get him. Don't know if it's true.
A lot of mocks had Love going to the Chargers at #6 overall. It was a bit of a surprise when they picked Herbert.
I also distinctly remember thinking MLF looked a little too excited when they picked Love.