Rodgers Wants A New Contract?

@Tschmack posted:

Changing the story, it’s absolutely amazing how Andy Reid went from being a schmo to someone everyone adores and respects.  Winning a Super Bowl works wonders I guess.

Exactly!  Blank check for Gunt but they'd rather keep "building for the future".

I'm sure Dumb Gunt and Sled Hill Murphy are thinking how impossible Rodgers would be to deal with if they won a Super Bowl.  I mean we can't have that kind of diva antics!  Winning a Super Bowl will give him leverage!  Screw that!  Shut up and play, just don't win anything.

I would imagine it would be tough to operate under McVince given what we know at this point.   That’s not Rodgers fault.  

MLF seems to have reenergized Rodgers and they have improved the defense.  It’s also understandable that they wanted to draft a guy like Love but he’s not ready yet.  Get Rodgers back for 3 years and take it from there.  If Rodgers is still playing well you can check and adjust at that time.  Not that complicated.  

The Saints rode Brees until the wheels fell off without a backup plan and now they’re having to play Taysom Hill and Jameis Winston or explore the possibility of acquiring a big name QB. Not to mention the Broncos and Patriots lack of planning at the position. When you’re the Colts and have a 26 year old Andrew Luck at QB, it’s forgivable to not waste resources on a backup plan when an unexpected retirement happens. When your QB is pushing 40 it’s not a bad idea to start planning. If 2024 rolled around and there was no Jordan Love on the roster and we had to go out and give up a ton to draft capital for a proven QB (or invest in a journeyman retread) then our FO would been negligent.

@Henry posted:

Because he was no longer playing in the "let Aaron handle it" offense?  Or playing in the first year of a first time HC's offense, a change that affected the entire team?

Again, go pull up those horrible 9 years of stats.  Then go pull up the stats for the defenses in those 9 years.  I think we'll see where the weakness actually was.

The defense sucked and Aaron was good so he is above criticism? NO! That is elitist BULLSHIT!

Again, I have no problem with them drafting Love when they did.  But if he’s truly not ready, and probably won’t be for a couple of years, why would you not try to keep Rodgers around for a few more years?

I mean, that’s the smart play if winning truly is important.  

I will let my good friend Aaron Rodgers tell you what he thinks of his relationship with Gute and Murphy. This might not be as accurate as back channel anonymous sources or the feeling Bob McGinn gets in his prostate, but its a consistent message with what GBP has been saying and with what Rodgers friends are saying.

In hindsight, these are super interesting comments by Aaron Rodgers regarding his relationship with the front office...🤔#Packers pic.twitter.com/WdJNGq8URd

— Tyler (@TylerHerrick) May 15, 2021

@Grave Digger posted:

The Saints rode Brees until the wheels fell off without a backup plan and now they’re having to play Taysom Hill and Jameis Winston or explore the possibility of acquiring a big name QB. Not to mention the Broncos and Patriots lack of planning at the position. When you’re the Colts and have a 26 year old Andrew Luck at QB, it’s forgivable to not waste resources on a backup plan when an unexpected retirement happens. When your QB is pushing 40 it’s not a bad idea to start planning. If 2024 rolled around and there was no Jordan Love on the roster and we had to go out and give up a ton to draft capital for a proven QB (or invest in a journeyman retread) then our FO would been negligent.

Check your common sense at the door pal.  

@Tschmack posted:

Again, I have no problem with them drafting Love when they did.  But if he’s truly not ready, and probably won’t be for a couple of years, why would you not try to keep Rodgers around for a few more years?

I mean, that’s the smart play if winning truly is important.  

He has a signed contract that keeps NOG around for 2 more years.  He willing signed it.  Nobody held a gun to his head. 

All we know for sure is that there's differences on contract negotiations. Everything else has been conjecture. Rodgers has said he wants to retire as a Packer, so we really have no reason to believe that he wants out of Green Bay.

@Grave Digger posted:

The Saints rode Brees until the wheels fell off without a backup plan and now they’re having to play Taysom Hill and Jameis Winston or explore the possibility of acquiring a big name QB. Not to mention the Broncos and Patriots lack of planning at the position. When you’re the Colts and have a 26 year old Andrew Luck at QB, it’s forgivable to not waste resources on a backup plan when an unexpected retirement happens. When your QB is pushing 40 it’s not a bad idea to start planning. If 2024 rolled around and there was no Jordan Love on the roster and we had to go out and give up a ton to draft capital for a proven QB (or invest in a journeyman retread) then our FO would been negligent.

So give the guy a phone call when you do.  Crazy.

You're trying to make this something it isn't.  The issue is shitting on the guy you have right now that showed and did everything you wanted.  The HOF QB that went out and put up an MVP season.

Can't even give him a call.

The FO morons fucked it up.  It's that simple.  So they get to clean it up and if I'm looking at past performance of these fucking jags I'm not exactly hopeful.

There’s no denying he signed the contract and I was one of the first in this thread to suggest he should live up to his obligations and play the next three years.  The problem is after this season the team can cut bait.   Rodgers doesn’t want to be a lame duck in 2021.  

I think what we need to understand is he’s not some schlub aging QB.  The guy had arguably his best season, and assuming he can stay healthy, there’s no reason to think he can’t perform at a top 5-6 level QB in the league.   That gives GB a legitimate window to win it all the next 2-3 years.

It would be one thing if Love were ready to go or if the defense was better.  Then you maybe roll the dice and deal Rodgers and move on.  But does anyone think this team can win 12-13 games without Rodgers?  

Perhaps we are all a bunch of dummies and behind the scenes Love has made a huge developmental jump and some of the younger players around him also take a step forward.   Could they be decent w/Love in 2021?  That’s the question because a disinterested Rodgers playing for no future won’t be the same guy.  And I think it has the potential to be a major distraction.  Either he’s back for the next 3 years (or longer) on a reworked contract, or he’s traded after June 1.  There is no other possible scenario.  

This whole thing is just so stupid.  I mean, we live in a forgiving culture and society.  Gute and Murphy need to swallow their pride and bury the hatchet and it doesn’t have to be a public spectacle.  Tell him “look Aaron, we apologize for how the 2019 draft went down but we also have to look out for the team.  We know you deserve better and want security so here you go - we’ll convert your 3 years remaining to basically guarantee you are our guy through the 2023 season.  After that, we’ll see where things stand.  And here’s a modest raise on top of it.”

That’s being fair and reasonable and meeting him at least halfway.  If he rejects the idea, then you need to make the trade after June 1.

@Goalline posted:

The defense sucked and Aaron was good so he is above criticism? NO! That is elitist BULLSHIT!

Elitist even.

The point is Rodgers is very very good but he can't do it all by himself.  That is anything but elitist.  Finish the job.  That's the whole point of this "all in" mentality.  It's about having a complete team that can cover for mistakes and match up effectively against other PLAYOFF level teams.  You know why Bortles had two playoff wins?  Probably had something to do with that solid defense he had supporting him.

If you think the history of shit to middling defenses isn't a huge reason for playoff flops then you're fooling yourself.

There you go again. Rodgers doesn’t do shit by himself.

@skully posted:

All we know for sure is that there's differences on contract negotiations. Everything else has been conjecture. Rodgers has said he wants to retire as a Packer, so we really have no reason to believe that he wants out of Green Bay.

This is the thing that absolutely kills me about this conversation.  Is there anyone who wouldn't have wished for other great players in this franchise to retire as a Packer? 

But not Rodgers, this franchise cornerstone who plays at an unbelievable level.

@Grave Digger posted:

I will let my good friend Aaron Rodgers tell you what he thinks of his relationship with Gute and Murphy. This might not be as accurate as back channel anonymous sources or the feeling Bob McGinn gets in his prostate, but its a consistent message with what GBP has been saying and with what Rodgers friends are saying.

In hindsight, these are super interesting comments by Aaron Rodgers regarding his relationship with the front office...🤔#Packers pic.twitter.com/WdJNGq8URd

— Tyler (@TylerHerrick) May 15, 2021

So that's why all of this is happening now?  You mean it really isn't?  Rodgers isn't telling the FO he doesn't want to play for the organization or he's upset? 

This whole thing is just a dream?   

It's kind of weird that you guys can't figure out that relationships change.  Were you guys hatched?

I'm not even sure what this clip is supposed to mean because it again has zero context to the current situation. 

AJ Hawk mentioned the situation is death by a thousand cuts.  Couldn't be Rodgers was doing what required of him and the FO kept dicking him around until it came to this?

Honestly, do you people understand things like time and space, human relationships and most of all fucking press briefings?

It boggles the mind.

What are you guys going to do if Rodgers comes back?  I mean holy shit you'll have to spend all of game day nitpicking Rodgers performance to prove he's broken down and washed up.

For me, if Rodgers is gone and Love takes the stage I just have to cheer him on hoping he's overcome his deficiencies.  Why?  Because even though I thought he was a shaky pick for a 1st rounder all of this current shit was never about Love the player.  It was about the use of resources to help win now and what now is a giant shit show set off by the fact Dumb Gunt kinda maybe should've given Rodgers a fucking phone call.

I guess you guys better hope for a trade.

@Henry posted:

I don't suppose you see the metric ton of irony in this statement.

BTW, McGinn, a guy that covered the Packers for decades and was probably the last semi-real journalist the team dealt with outside the cadre of half ass bootlickers, has less credibility than Schefter or click schmucks like Nagler, Dunne and Pete Buttafuoco?

McGinn also all but guaranteed a dynasty after 2010..he loved to ask to their orgs about the Packers for his info..he’s a low rent Florio..

Rodgers was stagnant playing McCarthy’s hero ball with zero schemes and was getting injured a lot. Did he get McCarthy fired? Did Gute want his own guy? This is all speculation..

@Goalline posted:

There you go again. Rodgers doesn’t do shit by himself.

Psst!  What did Bert have that helped him get to two Super Bowls? 

A monster defense.

@Grave Digger posted:

The Saints rode Brees until the wheels fell off without a backup plan and now they’re having to play Taysom Hill and Jameis Winston or explore the possibility of acquiring a big name QB. Not to mention the Broncos and Patriots lack of planning at the position. When you’re the Colts and have a 26 year old Andrew Luck at QB, it’s forgivable to not waste resources on a backup plan when an unexpected retirement happens. When your QB is pushing 40 it’s not a bad idea to start planning. If 2024 rolled around and there was no Jordan Love on the roster and we had to go out and give up a ton to draft capital for a proven QB (or invest in a journeyman retread) then our FO would been negligent.

A  notable ass clown would double down on his “Gunt” routine if that were the case..

@Henry posted:

Psst!  What did Bert have that helped him get to two Super Bowls?

A monster defense.

Its an exaggerated convoluted tale concocted by Adam Schefter and continued by dozens of other click hounds in the media. There’s a complicated contract negotiation going on, people can run with a narrative if they want, the reality is that it’s not much more than that.

The clip I posted he talks about the potential of looking ahead to the next guy. He’s not an idiot, he knew they would draft his replacement at some point. He’s not “offended” because they didn’t give him a courtesy call, he’s offended because they made plans and axed his only leverage. Which is to say he was the only viable long term option they had, effectively guaranteeing the final two years of his contract. Maybe GB laid out a plan for him and reneged on it after his MVP season (his “changing timelines” Comment), maybe he had it in his mind ‘20 was his last year in GB. I don’t doubt he’s unhappy with his current arrangement, but as I’ve said before I’m speculating his offer is probably let me help bring in free agents to chase a SB and I will give you a discount or continue like we are and you need to make me the highest paid player + guarantee my whole deal. That doesn’t fit with the GB timeline of trading Rodgers after ‘21 and starting the Love era.

If you want it to be about power plays and egos and girlfriends and broken promises and whatever that’s fine. I don’t think it’s reality, but everyone can think whatever they want.

@Henry posted:

What are you guys going to do if Rodgers comes back?  I mean holy shit you'll have to spend all of game day nitpicking Rodgers performance to prove he's broken down and washed up.

I’ve been nitpicking his game since 2016. He has been very good , but a guy with his tools should be the best. Until last year I really couldn’t describe him as the best over at least a 5 year period.

@Henry posted:

Psst!  What did Bert have that helped him get to two Super Bowls?

A monster defense.

Stop arguing with yourself.

@Steve of Norway posted:

A  notable ass clown would double down on his “Gunt” routine if that were the case..

Dumb Gunt.  Get it straight you fucking dumb homer.

@Steve of Norway posted:

McGinn also all but guaranteed a dynasty after 2010..he loved to ask to their orgs about the Packers for his info..he’s a low rent Florio..

Rodgers was stagnant playing McCarthy’s hero ball with zero schemes and was getting injured a lot. Did he get McCarthy fired? Did Gute want his own guy? This is all speculation..

Never play chess with a pigeon.

@Grave Digger posted:

Its an exaggerated convoluted tale concocted by Adam Schefter and continued by dozens of other click hounds in the media. There’s a complicated contract negotiation going on, people can run with a narrative if they want, the reality is that it’s not much more than that.

The clip I posted he talks about the potential of looking ahead to the next guy. He’s not an idiot, he knew they would draft his replacement at some point. He’s not “offended” because they didn’t give him a courtesy call, he’s offended because they made plans and axed his only leverage. Which is to say he was the only viable long term option they had, effectively guaranteeing the final two years of his contract. Maybe GB laid out a plan for him and reneged on it after his MVP season (his “changing timelines” Comment), maybe he had it in his mind ‘20 was his last year in GB. I don’t doubt he’s unhappy with his current arrangement, but as I’ve said before I’m speculating his offer is probably let me help bring in free agents to chase a SB and I will give you a discount or continue like we are and you need to make me the highest paid player + guarantee my whole deal. That doesn’t fit with the GB timeline of trading Rodgers after ‘21 and starting the Love era.

If you want it to be about power plays and egos and girlfriends and broken promises and whatever that’s fine. I don’t think it’s reality, but everyone can think whatever they want.

Yes, Rodgers talking about pouring 4 fingers of scotch when he learned about the Love pick online says "everything is great".

Plenty of MacAffee clips you could pull out too.  Plenty of takes from guys that played with him saying there's an issue.  But I'm sure James Jones, AJ Hawk and John Kuhn are just in it for the clicks.

It's okay to say the FO fucked up.  You're trying to gin this into reality tv, not me.

Yes, it's a "complicated" contract negotiation that includes cleaning up the giant shit the FO left on the floor.  We know the FO came to him with a restructure and he told them to piss off.  Otherwise it wouldn't have morphed into an extension talks. 

And previously you just told us of course it was about money but now you agree that it was likely to create room to go after guys to win now? 

Here's another scenario you didn't add in.  He was ready to do a contract extension or restructure guaranteeing at least 2 more years and they said no to a guarantee.  "We'll give you all the cash you want but we're still going to cut you after 2021".

What would that tell you about your remaining time in Green Bay?  Why would you even want to deal with these dicks if the underlying message is "you're done in 2021".

@Goalline posted:

I’ve been nitpicking his game since 2016. He has been very good , but a guy with his tools should be the best. Until last year I really couldn’t describe him as the best over at least a 5 year period.

I swear to god I don't know what you guys expect.  Is a top 5 QB okay who occasionally pulls out an MVP season ?

So what you are trying to say is, the FO fucked up.

@Henry posted:

I swear to god I don't know what you guys expect.  Is a top 5 QB okay who occasionally pulls out an MVP season ?

No! I want Tom Brady.

@Pakrz posted:

I have zero issues with Gute drafting Love. He’s running a business and succession planning is certainly a part of that. Whenever 12 departs or cannot play to his expected level, let’s hope the plan put into place works.

I hated the pick because I feel when you are close, pick guys in the first round that can help immediately.  Turns out I was right about being close, but I also have no flippin clue who would be the right player to help and Jlove might end up being the 3rd consecutive HOF QB.  Just because I was so right about Rashaan Gary doesn't make me a Joe Arrigo. 

Once the pick is made though, AR can hate is as much as he wants, the name of the game is produce on the field and he did it, better than any player in the NFL.  Maybe it was year 2 in the new offense, maybe it was being pissed about bringing in a young QB (or a combo), have to acknowledge just how good AR was last year and the best chance of the Pack going to the big one is with a healthy AR. 

Does AR need to be talking to the media?  I don't think so, should athletes be on the mike every time a report like this comes out?  It will only get worse because this is a national story with a shit ton of clicks (I have to imagine queen fans even more than Packer fans).  The next story has to be even juicier.  That being said, a "C'mon people" would go a long way. 

I think the most important relationship is AR and Mayo, and that seemed to be fine last year.  AR can hate Gute all he wants, I'm sure tons of players hate the GM, but AR in tune with Mayo makes for some pretty fine football.  Love is now his teammate, even if he is scheduled to take over, you need to deal with it.  Hopefully you deal with it by winning a superbowl. 

@Henry posted:

Yes, Rodgers talking about pouring 4 fingers of scotch when he learned about the Love pick online says "everything is great".

Plenty of MacAffee clips you could pull out too.  Plenty of takes from guys that played with him saying there's an issue.  But I'm sure James Jones, AJ Hawk and John Kuhn are just in it for the clicks.

It's okay to say the FO fucked up.  You're trying to gin this into reality tv, not me.

Yes, it's a "complicated" contract negotiation that includes cleaning up the giant shit the FO left on the floor.  We know the FO came to him with a restructure and he told them to piss off.  Otherwise it wouldn't have morphed into an extension talks.

And previously you just told us of course it was about money but now you agree that it was likely to create room to go after guys to win now?

Here's another scenario you didn't add in.  He was ready to do a contract extension or restructure guaranteeing at least 2 more years and they said no to a guarantee.  "We'll give you all the cash you want but we're still going to cut you after 2021".

What would that tell you about your remaining time in Green Bay?  Why would you even want to deal with these dicks if the underlying message is "you're done in 2021".

Jones, Kuhn, and Hawk all said they think things will work out. Far cry from “informed the team he won’t be returning” which is the Schefter narrative you want to wish into reality. On-record Rodgers surrogates saying things will get worked out refutes the idea that there are irreversible relationship issues which shockingly means the relationship wasn’t torpedoed by some ego maniac and mr magoo President. In fact I just showed you a clip of Rodgers saying the relationship with both is fine (circa early 2019) and he doesn’t want input in personnel. If McGinn’s gut feeling you’re relying on for evidence is a better source it’s only because you want that to be the case.

Rootbeer float > fucking phone call.

@Grave Digger posted:

Not to mention the Broncos and Patriots lack of planning at the position.

As Brady aged, Belichik fully conceded that NE "sold out" get to and win as many SBs as possible before having to pay the piper and move on from the GOAT. The Patriots won 3 and lost 1 SB while selling out.

https://www.sportingnews.com/u...5qa1xg8nzzmkbpxyecq0

Between 2013 and 2015, no team "sold out" like Denver, which got to two and won one SB with a past his prime Peyton Manning at QB. The Broncos have suffered from Elway's inability to find a successor to Manning since winning in all in 2015.

Between them, NE (5) and Denver (2) have been to seven (7) SBs since the Packers last sniffed one.

Meanwhile, Green Bay was already planning on how to replace its 2020 MVP QB before the 2020 season even began and utilized its 1st and 4th round picks to put its plans for the future at QB into action.

Apparently, given the tumult over the Jordan Love selection, only "good" Packer fans understand that always planning for the future, rather than maximizing a franchise's chances of advancing to and winning Super Bowls while the team has a HOFer at QB, is the mark of a truly exceptional front office and franchise.

I feel especially bad for Patriot fans because the NE front office was not smart enough to follow the Packer always-plan-for-the-future approach and now all those fans have now to console themselves with are multiple recent SB appearances (and Lombardi trophies).

Who cares about a lack of Super Bowls when you've already got the QB of the future on the roster?

From what Brandt has passed along, Brett, Bus Cook, and his handlers were insufferable pricks the moment they were in the loop that Rodgers would be selected.  

Do we think for a second that giving Rodgers a heads up on drafting Love would have lessened the blow?  I’m not so sure, although A Rod holds his cards a lot more tightly to the vest.

None of that matters now.

What matters is can the Packers unwind the “lame duck” status and still keep Love engaged?  I think they can.  Give Rodgers some more money and guarantee the next 3 years.  That takes 12 to 40 years of age and you still have plenty of time to figure out what you have in Love.  It also means guys like Jaire and Adams are more likely to stick around.

I think it’s easy to forget that Rodgers rode the pine for 3 years as well.  What’s the rush?  

The only curveball is if Rodgers basically demands to be a Packer for life.  I think you tell him look, we got 3 years and at the end of that timeframe we can reassess the sitch.  If he’s not amiable to it, then he’s gone after June 1.  Get R done FO fucks

So 3 more years of NOG as the highest paid player in the NFL will assure us a Superb Owl win.  Don't need any affordable supporting cast like Adams and Alexander who the FO probably can't resign because they have no cap room with all the $$$ NOG is taking.   It also means we may be good enough to get to NFC Championship games but not win Superb Owl so drafting 28 or higher and missing out on top talent again.   

@Grave Digger posted:

Jones, Kuhn, and Hawk all said they think things will work out. Far cry from “informed the team he won’t be returning” which is the Schefter narrative you want to wish into reality. On-record Rodgers surrogates saying things will get worked out refutes the idea that there are irreversible relationship issues which shockingly means the relationship wasn’t torpedoed by some ego maniac and mr magoo President. In fact I just showed you a clip of Rodgers saying the relationship with both is fine (circa early 2019) and he doesn’t want input in personnel. If McGinn’s gut feeling you’re relying on for evidence is a better source it’s only because you want that to be the case.

McGinn's quote was just one example of the shit that's out there and how people will pick and choose what works for them.  Why not McGinn?  Shows what an asshole Rodgers is.  You actually think I've staked my argument on one quote by McGinn?  No, it's from pieces like Kuhn, who said 75%, which isn't exactly a hard guarantee.  Or from Jones and Hawk who flat out made specific statements and didn't spin out on conjecture.   

I have no doubt Rodgers wants to return, win championships and retire as Packer because that's what he's said all along but you don't get Kuhn saying there's a 75% chance just because of contract negotiation.  Yes, Rodgers really believes the Packers can fuck off if the same shit continues. 

Not too hard to connect the dots that he wants a firm guarantee that the FO is going to go fuck off with this 2021 timeline shit.  I have no doubt he's probably putting the screws to them as well for all the perceived personal slights.

Some of this shit is just the most rudimentary understanding of how people work.  There's no mystery there is a problem.  I don't know how many other people like Brandt, Holmgren, Hawk, Jones, Kuhn etc. you need to hear from that the FO screwed up enough to have your HOF QB, the face of the franchise, literally not want to play for you anymore.  That's a pretty obvious Uh Oh.  Maybe kinda.

Rodgers hates championships.

@ammo posted:

So 3 more years of NOG as the highest paid player in the NFL will assure us a Superb Owl win.  Don't need any affordable supporting cast like Adams and Alexander who the FO probably can't resign because they have no cap room with all the $$$ NOG is taking.   It also means we may be good enough to get to NFC Championship games but not win Superb Owl so drafting 28 or higher and missing out on top talent again.   

You don't even know what Rodgers is asking.  The most recent shit being trotted out is they threw a contract at him for big money and he said no. 

Why would he come back to the team just to hamstring them with a contract when trying to restructure to get more guys in FA was likely the original intent?

I have no doubt if this works out the numbers will be huge but likely meaningless and mostly back loaded.

@Grave Digger posted:

Jones, Kuhn, and Hawk all said they think things will work out. Far cry from “informed the team he won’t be returning” which is the Schefter narrative you want to wish into reality. On-record Rodgers surrogates saying things will get worked out refutes the idea that there are irreversible relationship issues which shockingly means the relationship wasn’t torpedoed by some ego maniac and mr magoo President. In fact I just showed you a clip of Rodgers saying the relationship with both is fine (circa early 2019) and he doesn’t want input in personnel. If McGinn’s gut feeling you’re relying on for evidence is a better source it’s only because you want that to be the case.

You really need to lay of the McGinn shit because that was for your benefit.

Hawk clearly stated there was an issue otherwise what exactly would they be working out?  If Rodgers said to Tirico that he was disappointed this got out why didn't he say this is all bullshit instead?  Because it isn't all bullshit.

@ammo posted:

Rootbeer float > fucking phone call.

Yeah!  Get to work you lazy fucks.