Fire Murphy, Gute and Ball. New guy trades Rodgers on day 1 to highest bidder. I don’t care if it’s the Bears.
@PackerPatrick posted:Ayurvedic cleanse now trending on social media. says he lost 15 lbs before the Kentucky Derby with this cleanse that helps with inflamation. "It changed my insides. My body feels amazing. The inflamation is totally out of my body." Said suits no longer fit him.
He looks like George Donner in March 1847.
@PackerPatrick posted:
I really think AR's perception of how Gunt treated Nelson was the beginning of his discontent; article from that time;
“I think the (salary) number was part of it, but also the conversation I had in the meeting,” Nelson said. “I met with Brian and had a discussion because I had to get a feel for not just the pay cut but what their plans were going forward. After that meeting, there wasn’t, I don’t think, much desire there. I think with the combination of both, we decided what was best for myself and my family (to move on), as they decided what was best for them and the Packers
“It was disappointing. I mean, there were enough rumors that we knew something could possibly happen. We knew about a week in advance that it was going to be a discussion on me taking a pay cut or a restructure of some sort to help out with the cap number, but at the end of the day, it wasn’t what we thought was right and we made the decision to move on. It was hard.”
Football has always been a cold business where difficult decisions are made that ultimately will piss off some fans and players. My takeaway from the interview is that obtaining maximum compensation for AR and moving on is probably the appropriate move.
@Dr._Bob posted:Hippie.
Speaking of hippie did anyone else get the impression that AR looked like he had just ripped a long bong rip of hippie lettuce before he came on Sportscenter?
@Pikes Peak posted:He looks like George Donner in March 1847.
This isn't directed at you PP, but toward 12's holistic snake oil spiel.
15lbs of inflammation in a 200lbs athlete? Possible, but not bloody likely. Inflammation is manifested by water stored in fat cells mostly, and some in muscle. So this cleanse, probably no more than a week or so, rung out 15lbs of water and we are to believe you lost no muscle mass? Bullshit.
If he lost 15lbs some might be inflammation, some will be fat, some will be muscle. Which is all fine and dandy if you're a yoga-practicing soy boy, but not if you're a professional football player.
Hey, I understand the value of an anti-inflammatory diet for pro athletes north of 30...paleo, ketogenic and all kinds of variants in between like Tom Brady does. But Tom Brady doesn't look like he's opening up a patchouli booth at Burning Man.
At this point, I have my doubts of 12 could physically make it through an entire season.
Hard pill to swallow, and it in no way excuses the dumb-fuckery by Gurt and WMM...both should be shown the door...but it's probably best to trade 12 for max compensation after June 1.
121 days and nothing has changed.
He wants a new contract. Which, philosophically, is about respect.
People will always talk about how the people are what make the thing go. Those people forget that it is the other people, the ones consuming the thing, that are the people that make the thing go.
i hate that angle...the "throwing a wrench into things" was him finally fixing his shitty footwork which was a problem he had for multiple years and didn't decide to fix until the Packers drafted a QB.
— erin alyce (@herooine) May 25, 2021
This young lady gets it. I didn't watch his shitty interview. Watched a shitty movie instead(Dawn of The Dead on Netflix).
So I’m assuming Rodgers also has an issue with how he assumed his position in GB at the expense of Brett Favre? It’s about people not the business after all. It is always disappointing the way players get treated by teams, but it seems like that issue is a larger philosophical issue with how the NFL works instead of a GBP issue. I wish he would just be honest and say “Brady and Manning got to run the show at the end of their careers, I want to run the show too.” Waxing poetic about respect and culture makes him seem like a douche…which he probably is.
He absolutely is. Always has been, but then Gute and Murphy knew that. They should have handled him like you do any useful douche and kissed his ass until he was no use to them.
What a weird interview. Specifically praised everyone except Gute, even saying he likes Love. So all this is about Gute then. But Gute has been pretty good at the personnel side of his job. His job is to put a roster together that can compete and he's done that, getting to the NFCC the last 2 years, which wasn't happening in the latter TT years. So this is just all about the "feels"? Letting Cobb, Nelson, and Kumerow go were the right moves. So is all this because Gute wasn't more sensitive in those meetings? Are you kidding me? It's the f*cking NFL and Rodgers is upset because when his friends were rightly let go, Gute wasn't nice enough about it? I guess maybe he should have lit a candle and sang kumbaya?
Really hope I'm missing something because that's just pathetic. The NFL has always been a brutal place and the end is never easy. Rodgers should know that.
A couple of thing I noted from last night:
Rodgers issue is largely how the NFL operates as a whole and loyalty, his idea of respect, and how you are treated by an organization means more to him then the reality that is the business of football. If it were up to him, Jordy Nelson would still be here, Bryan Bulaga (who missed multiple games with a bad back with the Chargers) would still be here and got signed to a huge contract and WWJ would be the #3 WR on this team. And that's just to name a few.
But that's not only how the current Front Office operates, it's not how the Packers have operated for literally decades and decades, including guys Rodgers named last night as pillars of the organization. Guys from Ahman Green to Marco Rivera to Donald Driver and on and on were moved on from despite being huge fan favorites and at the time these popular players were cut, a significant chunk of the fan base weren't happy. But far more often then not, the Packers made the right move and that's why these teams stayed competitive year in and year out.
As others pointed out, it's the reality of doing business in the NFL. And it's hardly a Green Bay thing. It literally goes on league-wide and the few teams who are most successful make these moves objectively, these rosters get turned over and they stay in playoff contention year in and out. Guess what Aaron? You've played for one of these teams for 16 years now.
At this point, while I really hope he comes back and with the right mindset/attitude, I do not believe this FO has to keep wiping his tears, giving him hugs and kissing his ass. They've made him a huge offer, Gute is going nowhere, Love is going nowhere, and this is a bonified SB team with Rodgers.
Take the money, be on a SB caliber team or don't. If the Packer and him can't come to terms by the start of camp, you move on. Let these teams fight over each other to make the Packers the best offer and we move on.
@Chongo posted:At this point, I have my doubts of 12 could physically make it through an entire season.
Hard pill to swallow, and it in no way excuses the dumb-fuckery by Gurt and WMM...both should be shown the door...but it's probably best to trade 12 for max compensation after June 1.
AR may actually be downplaying the amount of weight he's shed. Some are saying he's actually lost 20+ pounds and yes, that's highly concerning. In fact, he admitted his current suits no longer fit him.
That's not just losing a little bit of a gut. His face looks almost gaunt.
Certainly WI food can change that in a hurry but he's pushing 38 and I would have real concerns about his absorbing hits and staying vertical.
If Rodgers thinks the team or NFL owes him anything then maybe he’s not as smart as he thinks he is.
The business of the NFL is ruthless and cutthroat and the machine marches on and chews people up and spits them out.
He can get all philosophical and spout all the platitudes he wants, but he comes across as stupid sounding as FO types or coaches that drone on about the tired sports cliches that jumped the shark 50 years ago.
This sure seems to me that he’s done in GB. I wish that wasn’t the case, but let’s move on after June 1. Highest bidder here we go.
@CUPackFan posted:Really hope I'm missing something because that's just pathetic. The NFL has always been a brutal place and the end is never easy. Rodgers should know that.
Same here and I still don't know what it is he wants. So its all about people? I obviously have no idea what conversations have taken within the Packer organization but for people to have a relationship it goes both ways. IMHO if a relationship breaks down it is never the complete fault of one side.
Rodgers has been around this game for going on 17 years and by now he should know that its a cold business because in some ways it needs to be. Sure its about people and relationships but there are times where you need to let players go early before they go down hill. Does that hurt? I can't even imagine how much it would for guys who you have competed with for years are gone. But, he has to know that is just how the NFL works.
Yep..
Let him go someplace else and see how those players are treated. #Packers pay their best players top money, their doctors seem to be among the most cautious in the NFL, and the coach has short practices and give vets days off. https://t.co/J2wWXBZOTk
— Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) May 25, 2021
@BrainDed posted:Fire Murphy, Gute and Ball. New guy trades Rodgers on day 1 to highest bidder. I don’t care if it’s the Bears.
This is the thing that people refuse to acknowledge as they trip over themselves to make it all about Rodgers.
Gunt's failure, regardless of who is "right", is epic considering the caliber of the player. If any other GM was this stupid we would be mocking that FO mercilessly.
The point is this, these assholes are running the team. If they can't figure out how to handle a player the caliber of Rodgers then how are they treating other guys down the line? How does this affect FA, which already is tougher in Green Bay? News flash, part of FA's signing in Green Bay is because they think they can win a championship playing with Aaron Rodgers and Bert before him.
The reality is anyone in the FO is dealing with an extra hurdle when running the business of football in Green Bay. They need to be incredibly cognizant of that fact. This FO isn't, at all. See the past failures of WMM and Russ Ball. They just added to the collection of tough guy morons by hiring Gunt, who obviously was looking to escort Rodgers out of town when he took the job.
These are the assholes running this organization. This is 80's kind of shit.
I'm not terribly worried about AR's weight. I assume he didn't just buy some weird cleanse he saw on Instagram. I'm sure he's got a nutritionist that has things under control. However, I think its a moot point. I just don't see how this gets resolved in a way that AR is back and happy in GB.
@Grave Digger posted:So I’m assuming Rodgers also has an issue with how he assumed his position in GB at the expense of Brett Favre? It’s about people not the business after all. It is always disappointing the way players get treated by teams, but it seems like that issue is a larger philosophical issue with how the NFL works instead of a GBP issue. I wish he would just be honest and say “Brady and Manning got to run the show at the end of their careers, I want to run the show too.” Waxing poetic about respect and culture makes him seem like a douche…which he probably is.
Because Favre retired 13 times?
BTW, did anyone actually think we would get some kind of definitive answer from this interview?
In case anyone missed a grizzled Kenny Mayne interviewing Aaron over a Zoom call from the SportsCenter studio here ya go, but be warned he really struggled to get anything from the Pack-led....
@Henry posted:This is the thing that people refuse to acknowledge as they trip over themselves to make it all about Rodgers.
Gunt's failure, regardless of who is "right", is epic considering the caliber of the player. If any other GM was this stupid we would be mocking that FO mercilessly.
The point is this, these assholes are running the team. If they can't figure out how to handle a player the caliber of Rodgers then how are they treating other guys down the line? How does this affect FA, which already is tougher in Green Bay? News flash, part of FA's signing in Green Bay is because they think they can win a championship playing with Aaron Rodgers and Bert before him.
The reality is anyone in the FO is dealing with an extra hurdle when running the business of football in Green Bay. They need to be incredibly cognizant of that fact. This FO isn't, at all. See the past failures of WMM and Russ Ball. They just added to the collection of tough guy morons by hiring Gunt, who obviously was looking to escort Rodgers out of town when he took the job.
These are the assholes running this organization. This is 80's kind of shit.
Absolutely. The three morons need to go regardless of how the Rodgers saga plays out.
People are trying to give Gute too much credit for the multiple championship appearances as well IMO. While he has added some great talent, he has also had some major misses and the reality is that this team likely doesn't sniff the playoffs the last 2 years without 12. I'm beginning to dislike Rodgers but the front office even moreso.
@Henry posted:This is the thing that people refuse to acknowledge as they trip over themselves to make it all about Rodgers.
Gunt's failure, regardless of who is "right", is epic considering the caliber of the player. If any other GM was this stupid we would be mocking that FO mercilessly.
The point is this, these assholes are running the team. If they can't figure out how to handle a player the caliber of Rodgers then how are they treating other guys down the line? How does this affect FA, which already is tougher in Green Bay? News flash, part of FA's signing in Green Bay is because they think they can win a championship playing with Aaron Rodgers and Bert before him.
The reality is anyone in the FO is dealing with an extra hurdle when running the business of football in Green Bay. They need to be incredibly cognizant of that fact. This FO isn't, at all. See the past failures of WMM and Russ Ball. They just added to the collection of tough guy morons by hiring Gunt, who obviously was looking to escort Rodgers out of town when he took the job.
These are the assholes running this organization. This is 80's kind of shit.
Just more bullshit from Rodney Jr here..calling Gute an asshole doesn’t make your point..at all.
If Rodgers wants to pout about Nelson and Kumerow being cut..boo fucking hoo.
Shut it pigeon you fucking dope homer half wit.
@packerboi posted:AR may actually be downplaying the amount of weight he's shed. Some are saying he's actually lost 20+ pounds and yes, that's highly concerning. In fact, he admitted his current suits no longer fit him.
That's not just losing a little bit of a gut. His face looks almost gaunt.
Certainly WI food can change that in a hurry but he's pushing 38 and I would have real concerns about his absorbing hits and staying vertical.
12 has been on a steady weight decline for the last 5 years because of diet changes. I doubt he's loading up on fried cheese curds and butter burgers when he's here...it's probably the same shit he eats when he's in CA, just flown in.
I agree the weight loss is more than 15. Maybe he's counting on being like Manning and Brady...never getting touched and prolonging his career that way. But I even worry about being that thin losing his mobility...seems counter-intuitive I know, but if you're quads are not strong, you won't be fast. "Getting lighter to get fast," usually means dropping 5-10lbs...and usually that's for bigger dudes.
12 is starting to resemble a "girlie-man" from the Hans & Franz skits. He looks a buck-75.
@packerboi posted:Yep..
Let him go someplace else and see how those players are treated. #Packers pay their best players top money, their doctors seem to be among the most cautious in the NFL, and the coach has short practices and give vets days off. https://t.co/J2wWXBZOTk
— Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) May 25, 2021
It really makes me wish Tom Coughlin was still around to trade him to
@Henry posted:Shut it pigeon you fucking dope homer half wit.
Quit being a little bitch then, Rod in your ass..
better being a homer then a narcissistic raging douche who just bitches about this team..
Only in Wisconsin is living a healthy lifestyle a questionable choice.
whole think makes me sad. FO makes me sad the way they release their guys, and apparantly the way they handle it and AR makes me sad bc we are soo close, and it appears it will be gone for a while. its tough to win in the nfl.
@Steve of Norway posted:Quit being a little bitch then, Rod in your ass..
better being a homer then a narcissistic raging douche who just bitches about this team..
Dumb fucking pigeon. I have less than zero patience for garbage that blinds themselves to reality for "their team" and it goes beyond sports.
Rodgers knows his body better than anyone. Not sure I’m worried at all about his weight. Quite frankly, with all the health issues in this country I think it’s good he’s setting an example for others.
I’m more worried about his zen spouting BS. I mean, I’m sure we all feel much more enlightened now that we’ve heard from him, but I’m still not clear what his issue is and I’m not sure we will ever truly understand.
@Henry posted:Because Favre retired 13 times?
BTW, did anyone actually think we would get some kind of definitive answer from this interview?
Did I think he would? No, not really. Did I hope he would? Yes.
"12 is starting to resemble a "girlie-man" from the Hans & Franz skits. He looks a buck-75."
I don't know, it seems like all this talk about Rodgers "weight" on here is getting a life of it's own. I don't know when this pic was taken, but does it look like a guy that weighs a "buck-75"? Even looks like he's got a little belly roll there. C'mon, you can do better.....
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Not sure what zen stuff you're talking about but I personally think with that mindset he'd be more than happy to retire.
The Packers get nothing, he floats in the air like a cherry blossom as no cherry blossom falls in the wrong place.
@Henry posted:Dumb fucking pigeon. I have less than zero patience for garbage that blinds themselves to reality for "their team" and it goes beyond sports.
Who gives a shit for your patience..it’s a game FFS, and the only people getting their blood pressure increased are you narcissistic ragers who think it’s your personal job to vomit hate at everything because you’re some contrarian..bravo.
You get your panties all wadded up in your crack because you tel yourself “gunt” isn’t smart like you..
I committed the cardinal sin, I started playing chess with a dumb pigeon.
Stick around pigeon. I'm moving on to skeet shooting.
@Henry posted:I committed the cardinal sin, I started playing chess with a dumb pigeon.
Stick around pigeon. I'm moving on to skeet shooting.
And yet you keep responding, rageaholic..
Scary..You gonna go all Dick Cheney here..the emphasis on being a Dick..
Even your responses are stuck from over a decade ago. Try using that pigeon brain.
@Henry posted:Even your responses are stuck from over a decade ago. Try using that pigeon brain.
So is your routine..nothing will ever make you happy..
The more I think about it, getting rid of Gutey may not actually set a bad precedent. If AR feels this way about him, then I'm sure others do too. AR is one of the few with the clout to do anything about it.
In today's world, the idea of shut up and do your job, does not fly. We are seeing it in the world of sports because it get so much media attention. The players want to be empowered. If it's spun that Gutey, while possibly a good evaluator of talent, does not have the personality to deal with today's athletes, then it sends a message to the team and potential free agents that open communication and respect is what the organization wants to be about.
I'm dealing with the same thing currently at work. I'm the associate program director for our ER residency. Gone are the days of crazy ours, getting yelled at, etc. My residents want to have input and a say in their training. It's very difficult for those of us who trained during the previous decades because we have the mindset of that's just how things are done.
I'm sure it's similar in other businesses and walks of life.
I don't think it will happen, but I'm beginning to think it might not be such a bad thing. It's also the bad side of not having an owner. Corporations/boards move slow. An owner could say to AR, if we get rid of Gutey will you come back?