Rodgers Wants A New Contract?

@Tschmack posted:

It is on Murphy.  He was more concerned about building sledding hills than actually overseeing football operations and administration.   Anyone with 2 functioning eyeballs could see Ted wasn’t right the last several years of his tenure.  That’s how we end up with Kevin King instead of TJW.  Or 2015 and 2016 drafts that sucked ass.   

I'm trying to imagine how the conversation would have gone between Murphy and an owner or a legitimate Board of Directors if the Packers had one, about how he either (A) did not know, or (B) did nothing despite knowing, that the individual in charge of the Billion $ Corporation's personnel was (medically) incompetent for 3 (or more?) years.

I mean, how could Murphy possibly explain away allowing Ted to continue to be in charge when it was an open secret he was unfit to carry out his duties?

Under almost any normal corporate structure, the only thing Murphy would have been told by his owner-boss or a real BOD would have been don't let the door hit you on the way out of 1265 Lombardi for the last time,

And yet instead of getting canned for his incompetence, Murphy was allowed to consolidate his power such that Gute, Ball, and the head coach now report to him. Madness.

Only in the insular, arrogant, we do it our way, and we are the bestest halls of the complacent, no-accountability Packer front office would such managerial incompetence not only be tolerated ... but courtesy of the compliant local press hardly be discussed.

But hey, the Pack was still able to claim a (very tiny) profit in 2017-18 by not paying out Pettine before his contract ran out and by shrewdly telling MLF that Rizzi was not worth the $ he was seeking and Mennenga was the better bargain as his STs coordinator.

PS Guess which of Ted's loyal soldiers remained mum throughout his decline (and is rumored to be one of those most responsible the disaster that was the 2017 off-season) and was rewarded with a GM job?

@Henry posted:

Really?  Pretty sure I didn't hear him blame anyone else.  Is wanting to go "all in" not a sign of doubling down and winning it all or does Rodgers have to do everything and is the entire loss on him?

Tell your strawman to shove it up his ass

Here's the Packers offense in 2020, looks pretty good to me with a top rated OL, top rated passing game and top rated running game, courtesy of Gute.

The cap is stretched to the max, Packers were in on most FAs and they gave him an offensive-minded HC who re-rejuvenated his foundering career.

If he wants more, then re-structure your deal, take less cash, find a way to actually help the Org instead of squatting on cap space, squawking about Kumerow and pitching a public fit through the agent.

You say he isn't blaming anybody for the NFCCG -  WTF do you think this entire circus is actually about  ? Its about shifting blame !

jesus fuck... wake up and smell the coffee dude.

@Chongo posted:

I've defended 12...I've taken his side on this. I've said from the jump this is mostly on the FO. I've detailed how he is NOT Bert in so many ways...but...

Be careful what you wish for Aaron...the grass isn't always greener...and like it or not, this will change your legacy in Green Bay.

And Rodgers definitely shares part of the blame at this point.  You can point to him being a major grudge holder, as I can attest (at times).  The question is what got it to this point in the first place?

Good chance Rodgers is a grade A asshole.  Guess what?  It doesn't matter.  He's the commodity that wins and has never poisoned the locker room with the other commodities that win. 

That's the business.

But, but Aaron did it all by himself, and what was wrong with his play in 2018, besides, you know, leading his team to a 6-10-1 record?

When the Packers win, "Aaron did it by himself". When they lose, "but he can't do it by himself".

Uncle Brett?

@Henry posted:

And Rodgers definitely shares part of the blame at this point.  You can point to him being a major grudge holder, as I can attest (at times).  The question is what got it to this point in the first place?

What got it to this point? A fucking premenstrual, whiny, entitled QB, that's what.

@Goalline posted:

But, but Aaron did it all by himself, and what was wrong with his play in 2018, besides, you know, leading his team to a 6-10-1 record?

When the Packers win, "Aaron did it by himself". When they lose, "but he can't do it by himself".

He was hurt all season? 

Back to last season, absolutely having a full stadium in GB for the NFCCG should have helped the Packers, but the same goes for the rest of the season playing on the road in empty stadiums.   For a veteran QB like Rodgers that doesn’t have to deal with crowd noise that’s a big advantage especially in places like New Orleans and Minnesota.  

As for Denver, I don’t think it’s safe to assume he’s got an easier path to winning a title than in Green Bay.  Sure, their schedule on paper isn’t too difficult (other than playing KC twice, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh), but the roster just isn’t as good as it is in GB.  Especially on the offensive side of the ball.  

@ChilliJon posted:

Exactly. The entire FO needs to understand they’re never going to survive this. Nor should they. They collectively built this clusterfuck.

It all dates back to Murphy's failure to deal with TT's declining health. In the end, was to keep things as close to status quo as possible with Murphy essentially replacing TT in his role. Gutey, Ball, and the head coach (whether MM or MLF) all reported to TT previously, but when TT's health went downhill the situation became dysfunctional behind the scences. Now they all report to Murphy, but he's the type that likes to bask in the credit but deflects the blame. What really happened was the Packers kept doing what they had been doing probably from about 2014. Hiring MLF, signing Z. Smith, and drafting Jones and Alexander was enough to vault the team back into contention when they already had superstars at QB, LT, and WR.

Gutey and Ball will eventually end up elsewhere in lesser positions. MLF will probably end up as one of those guys that wins a Super Bowl in his second or third stop (Mike Shanahan, Andy Reid). MLF is clearly a good NFL head coach and he's now been put into a situation where he's the most likely scapegoat if the team goes something like 14-22 over the next two years.

Brandt made the point that when you have a player like Rodgers playing the most important position in football the way Rodgers does you have to manage that relationship very carefully. In 2021 that’s just the way the NFL works.
He didn’t directly say the GB FO failed in how they’ve managed the situation but the underlying message was there.

He also thinks GB won’t trade him this year. But after the season....probably.

After watching The Last Dance it’s clear to me that MJ was a complete tool.  Like grade A arrogance.  Didn’t take slights or insults well at all.  Major chip on his shoulder.  Huge ego.  Basically, a lot of flawed character traits.  

But he’s still the most dominant professional athlete in my lifetime and I’m not sure his success will ever be matched in any sport and yes that includes TB12.  

To play at that high of a level, it stands to reason you have to have an edge or attitude or less than desirable attributes to pull it off.  Especially at QB.   I mean, from all indications guys like Marino and Elway and Aikman (among others) were not easy to be around and could be high maintenance.  Rodgers is no different.  

My frustration is he’s worked 15 years to build up this image as the anti-Brett I’m not that guy yet here we are.  So yes, I think he’s full of shit but shame on me for thinking otherwise.  

@Satori posted:

Tell your strawman to shove it up his ass

Here's the Packers offense in 2020, looks pretty good to me with a top rated OL, top rated passing game and top rated running game, courtesy of Gute.

The cap is stretched to the max, Packers were in on most FAs and they gave him an offensive-minded HC who re-rejuvenated his foundering career.

If he wants more, then re-structure your deal, take less cash, find a way to actually help the Org instead of squatting on cap space, squawking about Kumerow and pitching a public fit through the agent.

You say he isn't blaming anybody for the NFCCG -  WTF do you think this entire circus is actually about  ? Its about shifting blame !

jesus fuck... wake up and smell the coffee dude.

Take your half facts, inferences and stats a pound fucking sand.

Did you ever think the restructure/guarantee contract offer from Rodgers was on the table to provide more cap space?  Or do you not remember Murphy and Gunt saying "they got the cap space relief from other players"?  Oh fuck!  Jordy is shifting the blame!

Instead, the Packers chose not to even restructure Rodgers’ contract. It allowed the organization the flexibility to move on from him in the future. In an interview on "The Pat McAfee Show," Nelson joined is joining a growing list of analysts, reporters and Packers’ legends to criticize the team.

“No, I don’t know what they’re doing. Yeah, I can’t answer any of those questions. It’s mind-blowing sometimes, especially when he comes out and has an MVP year, and they don’t wanna commit or do whatever they want to do to show appreciation or whatever it is for the next few years. Seems like it would be a pretty easy and simple move that I would say 100% if not 99.9% of people would agree with.”

@Henry posted:

He was hurt all season?

Pussy!

@Henry posted:

And Rodgers definitely shares part of the blame at this point.  You can point to him being a major grudge holder, as I can attest (at times).  The question is what got it to this point in the first place?

Good chance Rodgers is a grade A asshole.  Guess what?  It doesn't matter.  He's the commodity that wins and has never poisoned the locker room with the other commodities that win.

That's the business.

Every person that is highly successful has a certain level of asshole in them. Tom Brady, Bill Belicheat, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, ad nauseum. For every Gerg or JerMikey who said Aaron was a dick, you've got 10 other guys who call him out for being a great teammate and a great guy.

No doubt he's frustrated...he's seen 1 Super Bowl and sniffed a couple more.  That tends to make people become more asshole-ish.

He's the QB...of course he's going to get the lion's share of the praise..and until he won the Super Bowl, he was criticized heavily. As time has gone on and he's pulled off some miracle wins, people forget about the bad performances.

People can throw out "well no one player is bigger to the franchise," but that kind of goes out the door a bit when you are talking about a HOF QB. They tend to get a little extra consideration.

But back to your point, this whole thing probably needs to be rebooted. Not sure who the right guy is for the job of president or GM...but the 3 silos of turd is well past its shelf life.

@Satori posted:

Tell your strawman to shove it up his ass

Here's the Packers offense in 2020, looks pretty good to me with a top rated OL, top rated passing game and top rated running game, courtesy of Gute.

The cap is stretched to the max, Packers were in on most FAs and they gave him an offensive-minded HC who re-rejuvenated his foundering career.

If he wants more, then re-structure your deal, take less cash, find a way to actually help the Org instead of squatting on cap space, squawking about Kumerow and pitching a public fit through the agent.

You say he isn't blaming anybody for the NFCCG -  WTF do you think this entire circus is actually about  ? Its about shifting blame !

jesus fuck... wake up and smell the coffee dude.

Here's another response for your fucking stats.  What exactly did Dumb Gunt do in the draft that year?  Oh yeah, drafted an injury prone ILB in the 5th round.

Oh, but the cap numbers show Rodgers is blaming people.  We also know those dumbfucks didn't approach Rodgers with anything substantive until it was too late.  Same fucking shit that started the whole affair well before this all blew up.

The FO fucked it up.  100%.

@Chongo posted:

I've defended 12...I've taken his side on this. I've said from the jump this is mostly on the FO. I've detailed how he is NOT Bert in so many ways...but...

Be careful what you wish for Aaron...the grass isn't always greener...and like it or not, this will change your legacy in Green Bay.

That's the part that's most puzzling. On one hand, he's keenly aware of his days being numbered. And on the other, anywhere he lands is almost certainly a step back from a 2021 SB run with him under center for the GBP. Even if we assign him 0% blame in this and 100% on the FO, he might very well be cutting off his nose to spite his face. I can't help but wonder if his personal triumph and vindication would have been to beat Tampa and KC and then give a big FU to the organization.

From bvan's post:

The new TB12’s experiences in Tampa surely have influenced the desire of Aaron Rodgers to find a new football team. The original TB12 has some thoughts on the matter.

That first sentence tells it all. Rodgers had his chance to beat the GOAT and he couldn't. He is so desperate to either beat Brady or show the world that what Brady did was no big deal because he could do it too.

Oh look!  March 23rd.  Aw, sure sounds like Rodgers is passing all the blame of the NFCC because the FO dicks were so committed.  This was the argument of the half ass half in/half out "build for the future" vs. "all in".

There were reports suggesting the Packers would look to restructure Rodgers’ contract this off-season. Why? To clear more cap space this off-season. The only issue is that it would spark greater cap hits for the remaining years on Rodgers’ contract, but it’d also reaffirm Green Bay’s commitment to the veteran quarterback.

Despite the reports, the Packers have since decided not to restructure the contract, according to Rob Demovsky of ESPN.com. Instead, Green Bay paid Rodgers his full $6.8 million roster bonus last week.

What could this mean? Well, the Packers would clearly like to keep their quarterback options open in coming years. Had they restructured Rodgers’ contract, it would’ve been much more difficult to part ways with the veteran past this season.

“The Packers did not alter Aaron Rodgers’ contract this past Friday, a source told ESPN, and they paid his $6.8 million roster bonus as is rather than converting it into a signing bonus, which would have freed up more than $4.5 million in salary-cap space for this season,” Demovsky wrote. “… It’s a sign that perhaps the Packers don’t want to count any more dead money than they already would have to if they moved on from their three-time MVP quarterback after this season.”

Read into this as you will. But it’s pretty clear the Packers did this to keep their options open.

@Gsands posted:

From bvan's post:

The new TB12’s experiences in Tampa surely have influenced the desire of Aaron Rodgers to find a new football team. The original TB12 has some thoughts on the matter.

That first sentence tells it all. Rodgers had his chance to beat the GOAT and he couldn't. He is so desperate to either beat Brady or show the world that what Brady did was no big deal because he could do it too.

Or, he wants to win another Super Bowl.

@Tschmack the Jordan comp is kinda accurate. Jordan was an alpha male apex predator killer assassin. He fucking hated to lose. At anything. Basketball. Golf. Checkers. Cards.
Jordan would’ve never worked as an NFL player where you’re relying on 50 other players. He barely functioned relying on 4 other players. Jordan would have gone insane in the NFL and driven the FO mad in very short order.

The simple fact is there’s plenty of blame to go around.  Rodgers and the FO.

And it also appears both sides are “dug in” which could be postering, but I’m not so sure of that.

In the end, it’s a giant flaming bag of dog shit sitting on the front porch.  If you stomp it out your feet will get dirty but if you let it burn it’s not like the stench will go away and the neighbors will eventually complain.

The whole situation just sucks and I’m not sure there’s any other option but to turn the page after June 1 and hope for the best.

Man Diggr was just years ahead of his time at X4. He would be part of the sewing circle now.

Terry Bradshaw says Rodgers is weak

CBS Pittsburgh: Steelers Legend Terry Bradshaw Calls Out Aaron Rodgers: ‘Him Being That Upset Shows How Weak He Is’.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.co...on-rodgers-comments/

@Henry posted:

Take your half facts and stats a pound fucking sand.

Did you ever think the restructure was on the table to provide more cap space?

As has been widely reported:
they tried to re-structure, he declined
they tried to extend, he declined

These are some of the inconvenient truths in this case. And the reason he declined is because he wants to be paid as an MVP and he wants more control over roster decisions. He may also want a financial apology.

I don't blame him or his agent for pushing the MVP-pay angle... except that its counter-productive to All-In and counter-productive to winning a Title. Its a zero sum game - and until he puts some skin in the financial game.... his All- In bleatings fall on deaf ears.

His new deal should have been done in early March - then the Packers could have signed more talent. But he wanted mo money and so here we are in May, sitting on our hands while his bruised vag seeks proper medical attention.

The cost to heal that vag is likely to exceed what's needed to round out a Championship roster - but apparently Aaron is putting his needs before the team's needs. The ball is in his court, offers have been made - and rebuked.

@Satori posted:

As has been widely reported:
they tried to re-structure, he declined
they tried to extend, he declined

These are some of the inconvenient truths in this case.

So your "widely reported" without posting anything is my inconvenient truth?

I don't think so.

EDIT: WITH CONTEXT

@Tschmack posted:

My frustration is he’s worked 15 years to build up this image as the anti-Brett I’m not that guy yet here we are.  So yes, I think he’s full of shit but shame on me for thinking otherwise.  

I don't give a fuck about his image. Get out there and win some games, Aaron. That's all I care about.

I also don't care what he does outside the game. I haven't watched a single episode of Jeopardy in which he hosted, and I whacked his name off my Google feed 2 months ago, because I was getting too many mentions about he and his fiance.

I don't worship football players. Just play the damn game, make some money and move on.

@Boris posted:

Terry Bradshaw says Rodgers is weak

CBS Pittsburgh: Steelers Legend Terry Bradshaw Calls Out Aaron Rodgers: ‘Him Being That Upset Shows How Weak He Is’.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.co...on-rodgers-comments/

T-T-Terry is also a historical TOG ballwasher

Regardless of how this mess ends, Love IMO is not starting in 2021. In the same way Alex Smith's confidence got screwed up 2005 when McCarthy told the 9er's he was not ready (he was correct), they are not making that same mistake with Love.

If they move on from AR, it's a Drew Lock or a Bridgewater or it's another vet. The plan doesn't change. The FO wants Love ready in 2022 not before .

Ramifications. https://www.acmepackingcompany...-aaron-rodgers-trade

JMO. Had GB won the SB last year I’m 99% certain Rodgers would have retired. Wished Love the best. Offered to help out any way possible and move on to whatever TF was next. That was his walk off. He’s been hell bent about putting 1 more trophy in the case than Favre.
It didn’t happen and now he’s bent the Love pick fucked up his grand plan. Love represented the player they didn’t have. And he’s lashing out. It’s not rational on any level but it is human nature. He wanted to point to that 2nd Lombardi.

Brandt adds some history...

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/05...brett-favre-parallel

@Satori posted:

As has been widely reported:
they tried to re-structure, he declined
they tried to extend, he declined

These are some of the inconvenient truths in this case. And the reason he declined is because he wants to be paid as an MVP and he wants more control over roster decisions. He may also want a financial apology.

I don't blame him or his agent for pushing the MVP-pay angle... except that its counter-productive to All-In and counter-productive to winning a Title. Its a zero sum game - and until he puts some skin in the financial game.... his All- In bleatings fall on deaf ears.

His new deal should have been done in early March - then the Packers could have signed more talent. But he wanted mo money and so here we are in May, sitting on our hands while his bruised vag seeks proper medical attention.

The cost to heal that vag is likely to exceed what's needed to round out a Championship roster - but apparently Aaron is putting his needs before the team's needs. The ball is in his court, offers have been made - and rebuked.

Wait! Didn't you counter me on this very argument a few days ago?

It was reported "quite reliably" by a source I can't remember that Aaron was seeking a 2 year extension at 60 mil per. All in???? More like, ALl iN.

RapSheet chimes in on what he thinks it will take to make 12 happy...in a nut shell...it's not these 1000 small cuts...it's really that he doesn't want to be replaced and wants assurances he will be the Packers QB until he's ready to hang them up.

"It is an issue being fought on multiple fronts."@RapSheet joined us today to chat the latest with @AaronRodgers12, who wants a new contract with the #Packers but is also seemingly quiet unhappy with the GB front office:#NFL #NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/Ixar4MuMH1

— Rich Eisen Show (@RichEisenShow) May 3, 2021

The media seems unanimous that he’s done in GB, which means he’s certainly not and they will get a contract done.

Imagine being the NFL MVP coming off one of the greatest statistical seasons in NFL history and the team wants you to accept the fact you’re a placeholder for a guy that’s never taken an NFL snap.

@Chongo posted:

Brandt adds some history...

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/05...brett-favre-parallel

Oh fuck!  Andrew Brandt is shifting the blame!

Here is the reality: Sports, as entertainment, is a star-driven business, and Aaron is a true A-lister in sports. Yes, football is a team game and coaches preach "all for one, and one for all," blah, blah, blah, but that ignores the reality in the business of sports: Greater talent merits greater leverage for different treatment.

Superstars who move the needle are not the same as other players. We treated Brett differently from the rest of the team; it was simply good business to do that. My sense is the Packers have certainly treated Aaron as well as any player they have, but for what he has done for them, that is not enough.

I have negotiated player contracts for two decades and managed an NFL salary cap for one. I have learned—sometimes the hard way—that the numbers will eventually take care of themselves. What really matters are the relationships. It is a people business, and there are no more important people than the ones who drive your product. It can be frustrating for accomplished people to cater to superstars—agents and managers do it every day—but that is the business we are in. And it happens throughout sports, music and entertainment.

He probably didn’t get a private lockerroom like Favre. Just one of the many sins the organization has committed.

Favre also got to keep Doug Pederson around as his backup for years. Rodgers didn’t get to pick his backup.

Every time Rodgers wasn’t offered something Favre got:

Andrew Brandt is full of shit right?  I wonder if he's the holy grail of references anymore?

Traitor Brandt.

@ChilliJon posted:

Imagine being the NFL MVP coming off one of the greatest statistical seasons in NFL history and the team wants you to accept the fact you’re a placeholder for a guy that’s never taken an NFL snap.

He's old.

FR