You're right BrainDed. I guess I saw it as irrelevant because we didn't need either to be a high scoring offense.
With all these reports today, and that will come, it’s difficult for me at least what to believe anymore.
@BrainDed posted:We love to talk about 12's ego, but Gute's ego thinking that Darrius Shepherd was important to keep because his talent evaluation must be dead on is also a problem here.
Which is why he drafts 3 mid to low round WRs that can't catch and calls it a day. Or drafts 329 olinemen in two years.
Whoever is QB next year. Draft slobs. Early. Late. In between. Draft big bodies. On both lines. Every year. You can’t win Good Housekeeping if your interior sucks.
@BrainDed posted:Because it was a massive mistake to pick him the first place for $1000, Alex.
I disagree. In April of 2020 was absolutely the right process and decision. Regardless of my opinion of Jordan Love as a future NFL player, it was the right call.
Think back to April of 2020, GB is coming off a NFCC where they were absolutely dominated for the 2nd time that year by the niners. There was no reason to think the Niners were going to regress. Rodgers had a 2nd straight year of declining production for him. He was injured again 3 years prior. Yes, 2018-19 AR is better than a ton of guys, but those 2 years were a decline for him relatively speaking. He still wasn't throwing INTs, but TD % was way down, Comp % was down, Y/A was down, Rate was down.
If you're Gute who is tasked with the long term success of the Packers, you HAD to be thinking to yourself "I'm gonna need a top tier QB this or next year as AR has shown signs of declining and I can't be committing that kind of dough in 2022-23 and beyond for a declining asset that has had a couple injuries, is getting older, and didn't really have a lot of fun with MLF this year."
If he sees his shot in 2020 or 2021 draft, he needs to take it. And clearly, he and his group thought Jordan Love is a top tier talent. And in April of 2020, you absolutely think Jordan Love is superior to anything you might get in the 21 draft, as at the time in April 2020, the 2021 QB class was perceived as Lawrence, Fields, and a bunch of meh. Again, if you're Gute, and think highly of Love and he falls toward you? I totally get it. Regardless of my opinion of Jordan Love - the process was sound and the right call IMO. Since that decision???
Why you didn't have a convo with AR about drafting a QB sometime in next 2 years ahead of the draft, or during the draft, or the second after you turned the pick in, I will never know. And worse, why they didn't tuck tail and grovel and offer a new extension after ARs 2020 season I will never know.
If you are still willing to push out AR in 1 year after his 2020 season, then you're saying that I would rather not look dum and get nothing out of my first round pick instead of putting the success of the franchise first.
The idea that the Packers and Brian Gute PERSONALLY offended Aaron is so much more fun and interesting to speculate on than the idea that the Packers simply made a business decision and Aaron is also simply making a business decision now. GB opted to accelerate the timing of the end of the Rodgers era, unfortunately they gambled this was necessary and did it 6 months before he had a historically good season. Rodgers deserves a raise and guarantees and is demanding he get it. The idea that there is some personal offense at the root of this does not track with Aaron Rodgers. It’s always been about money and security, nothing personal.
Florio/PFT alert... (Bradshaw)
The new TB12’s experiences in Tampa surely have influenced the desire of Aaron Rodgers to find a new football team. The original TB12 has some thoughts on the matter.
“With him being that upset shows me how weak he is,” Hall of Fame quarterback Terry Bradshaw said Monday in an appearance with Moose and Maggie on WFAN. “Who the hell cares who you draft? I mean, he’s a three-time MVP in the league and he’s worried about this guy they drafted last year at number one? . . . And for him to be upset, my God, I don’t understand that. Pittsburgh drafted Mark Malone number one, Cliff Stoudt in the third or fourth round. I had them coming at me from all angles. I embraced it, because when we went to practice, I wasn’t worried about those guys. You know? They didn’t scare me a bit. So I don’t understand why he’s so upset at Green Bay. . . .
“And then if they fire the General Manager he’ll come back? Are you kidding me? Really? Aaron, that’s where this is?”
So what would Bradshaw do?
“Here’s what I’d do,” Bradshaw said. “I wouldn’t budge. Let him gripe. Let him cry. Retire. You’re 38. Go ahead and retire. See you later. I mean, I’m really strong about stuff like that, and it makes him look weak. In my way of looking at it, it makes him look weak.”
Marc Malusis then asked Bradshaw whether he thought that it was an empty threat from Rodgers.
“I hadn’t thought of it like that,” Bradshaw said, “but call him on it.”
Bradshaw then said he didn’t believe it’s an empty threat, but he went back and forth on the possibility before reiterating his bottom-line belief: Call him on it.
That seems to be what the Packers will do. By retiring, Rodgers would be forced to repay $23 million in unearned signing bonus money, and he’d also lose the $6.8 million roster bonus he earned earlier in the offseason. Likewise, he’d give up the $14.7 million base salary he’s due to earn this year. That’s $44.5 million — and Jeopardy! doesn’t pay close to that amount.
Rodgers also would give up one of the remaining seasons of football that he can play before Father Time inevitably whacks Rodgers over the head with that big-ass hourglass. So that’s really the question Rodgers needs to ask himself. Is he so determined to get out of Green Bay that he’d not only give up $44.5 million, but that he also would never play football again?
Because PERSONALLY offending the face of your franchise, HOF MVP QB doesn't have anything to do with the business you're in, which is winning Super Bowls. Or is it?
Boy, you'd almost say these players and the team they make up are the very things you're supposed to manage. Or was it sledding hills?
So, in short, it was a fucking stupid business decision.
Jesus fuck.
I don’t think he was personally offended at all. I think people want that to be the case because it’s more interesting. It’s Kardashians for football bros.
Never underestimate the role ego has in decision making. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes, often times I’d wager, it bites people in the ass.
Both sides are guilty of it to varying degrees...and I’d wager if 12 leaves, neither side will get the outcome they want.
If anyone thinks GB is gonna force Rodgers to retire by playing hardball you are reading 100% of the room wrong.
There is no fucking way GB is gonna let Rodgers waste in retirement while hoping Love works out. That’s an organizational gamble that even Mark Murphy knows is splitting 10’s. AR will gladly hand back $38 million if that’s the deal. He’ll make that back doing NFL pre-game on Fox in short order.
You pay him or you trade him. That’s it. There is no other ending. Figure it out or get trade value. It’s that simple.
Bradshaw is a buffoon, who of course can't relate to Rodgers because he is no where near his intellectual level . Throw in some mental health issues, and 4 marriages ....why does anyone value anything Bradshaw says?
Then retire. And forever be known as a guy that quit coming off an MVP season? That would be a first and the team still gets over on him. The Packers FO would love that option.
Possible but not likely. He wants to burn it all down. So you counter that by trading him on your terms.
These spoiled baby QBs are getting worse. Brett and his retirement BS, Aaron with his crybaby trade requests. Jordan Love can will escalate things by capping his GM.
It must be my complete revulsion of the entirety of Orwellian reasoning in this country.
I guess sports is one of the last bastions where completely irrational thought is okay because it really doesn't mean shit.
Onwards Homers.
@ChilliJon posted:If anyone thinks GB is gonna force Rodgers to retire by playing hardball you are reading 100% of the room wrong.
There is no fucking way GB is gonna let Rodgers waste in retirement while hoping Love works out. That’s an organizational gamble that even Mark Murphy knows is splitting 10’s. AR will gladly hand back $38 million if that’s the deal. He’ll make that back doing NFL pre-game on Fox in short order.
You pay him or you trade him. That’s it. There is no other ending. Figure it out or get trade value. It’s that simple.
What's wrong with an 8-9 record?
The funny thing is for all his quirks and personal failures Bradshaw has a lot more rings and cache. Yes I know the Steelers pre free agency could keep it all together for longer periods of time but honestly Rodgers has one title. These vet OGs are probably laughing their collective asses off at how Rodgers is handling this.
I’m guessing it’s not as simple as throwing money at the problem. If that was it then I think this would have already been done. GB has never had an issue compensating Rodgers fairly. They paid him so much cash a couple years ago I remember reading they weren’t sure if they would have enough in reserves to pay for everything they needed to pay for. He’s got 3 years left, he certainly wants all or nearly all of those years guaranteed at $45M+…I think GB would also do that. They can add dummy years and lessen that hurt year to year. Again that’s an easy solve that I’m sure is what GB is offering. I’m guessing Rodgers wants 1 or 2 extra guaranteed years tacked on to effectively kill the succession plan, thereby retaining his leverage as the only QB on the roster. There no point keeping Love if Rodgers contract is guaranteed through his contract. I’m guessing that’s the hang up.
If GB gives in to that then Love will be featured heavily in the preseason and moved either by the deadline or before the ‘22 draft.
If GB won’t give on Love then Rodgers is gone on June 2nd.
@Henry posted:I'll hold you down and fart in your mouth.
What? No warm Fanta foreplay first?
@Tschmack posted:The funny thing is for all his quirks and personal failures Bradshaw has a lot more rings and cache. Yes I know the Steelers pre free agency could keep it all together for longer periods of time but honestly Rodgers has one title. These vet OGs are probably laughing their collective asses off at how Rodgers is handling this.
Maybe the 5 Hall Of Famers Chuck Knoll selected in the 1974 draft helped Terry get some spine in 2021. Who knows.
My guess is Rodgers is gone June 2
Not sure it needed to end that way but hey it’s a beautiful mystery.
What a debacle
@Henry posted:I'll hold you down and fart in your mouth.
That made me laugh out loud. I am a child.
@Grave Digger posted:The idea that the Packers and Brian Gute PERSONALLY offended Aaron is so much more fun and interesting to speculate on than the idea that the Packers simply made a business decision and Aaron is also simply making a business decision now. GB opted to accelerate the timing of the end of the Rodgers era, unfortunately they gambled this was necessary and did it 6 months before he had a historically good season. Rodgers deserves a raise and guarantees and is demanding he get it. The idea that there is some personal offense at the root of this does not track with Aaron Rodgers. It’s always been about money and security, nothing personal.
The entire leaked story is that the business discussions are going nowhere, because now it is personal with Aaron Rodgers, and further discussions won't matter, because he doesn't want to play in Green Bay ever again. That's what this is all about.
It's so personal it's been further leaked he wants Gute fired and then he'll talk.
You want to critique the leak that would be great, but criticizing fans for responding to what they've been told is blaming the victim here. He's had what, 4 days to dispute it? The silence is deafening.
Fun and interesting? No, I don't think anyone thinks this is fun or interesting. It's pretty much our worst nightmare as Packer fans.
I haven't seen anyone mention the possible financial ramifications if GB boots Rodgers. I don't mean salary cap, I mean the fans' dollars on games and merchandise. Yeah, I'm sure Lambeau will always be filled, but if game viewership has already been down this season, how does the average fan (which excludes X4) react if the organization looks culpable in any way for letting the reigning MVP leave along with any hope of a Super Bowl visit for the foreseeable future? All of this is questionable, not just on the football level, but also on the money level. Eat crow, extend the contract, and win another Super Bowl goddammit.
I'm ready to move on. Just an incredible wasted opportunity. Super Bowl window just ups and vanishes.
Oh well, fuck the whole lot of 'em.
@Henry posted:Not after last time.
Whine whine whine. I told you, that pink feather was ticklish.
Agreed. Murphy and Gute just need to put a stake in the ground. Pick a lane and move on. Season starts in 3 months.