@R MaN posted:Me too. Ready to move on.
Not me I agree with Dr. Bob.
Plus that's like, the longest post I've ever seen from him. So you know this must be important.
This whole Rodgers thing is really bugging me. He’s a great quarterback no doubt. Thought he was a good guy, good Packer guy, maybe not. Hell at this point if he doesn’t want to be here, let’s trade him for a haul. I like Las Vegas. Trade him for Derek Carr, two #1’s (2022 and 2023) and let’s say two #2’s and maybe one or two #3’s. Bring in Carr until Love is ready. He’s not a horrible QB and those eyes!!??! Does anyone think that is possible? What is possible out there?
My guess is any possible haul got smaller last Thursday. Shoulda, coulda? sent him to the Rams before Stanford.
LaLa and AR would have made a perfect couple.
The thing I don't understand about Love is why does he "need" to start in year three? They drafted him in the lower third of Round One and have a fifth-year option. While it's a risk, they don't actually need to make him a starter until Year Six, or Year Five if they want a year under his rookie contract.
If the organization wants to play the 'let's make the playoffs and take out chances on catching fire' every year, then fucking do it, don't just half-ass it with Hall of Fame QBs and rebuild from under them. Rodgers, and Favre before him, covers all sorts of shit draft picks and personnel holes.
Green Bay basically had five years of bad drafts, Since 2015 they picked three good players, three potentially good players, a bunch of jags and even more "never will be"s. They had to dip in to free agency with three defensive starters just to make player acquisition look mediocre.
Yeah, Love may not love it but why not ride a Hall Of Fame/Multiple MVP as far as you can?
@ChilliJon posted:Maybe the 5 Hall Of Famers Chuck Knoll selected in the 1974 draft helped Terry get some spine in 2021. Who knows.
Bradshaw was a physically talented guy, but they're at least 100 QBs you could have plugged into those Steeler teams who would have won.
He played with 9 other Hall of Famers and he was arguably the weakest one of the 10. Joe Greene, Jack Ham, Jack Lambert, Mel Blount, Donnie Shell, Franco Harris, Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, and Mike Webster.
He's the Troy Aikman of the 1970s.
Pay him whatever you need to pay him to stay for the next couple of years. If money isn’t enough, then call his bluff and let him retire....coz he won’t. There’s no way he would have let this whole thing blow up like it has if he was considering retirement.
He desperately wants another ring, and now it seems like he desperately wants another ring with another team....probably as a big “eff you” to the Packers. Call his bluff.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Bradshaw was a physically talented guy, but they're at least 100 QBs you could have plugged into those Steeler teams who would have won.
He played with 9 other Hall of Famers and he was arguably the weakest one of the 10. Joe Greene, Jack Ham, Jack Lambert, Mel Blount, Donnie Shell, Franco Harris, Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, and Mike Webster.
He's the Troy Aikman of the 1970s.
I always thought of him as the Trent Dilfer of the 70's.
Apparently you wouldn't even need to worry about the money if the triangle of idiots were shit canned.
Here's a thought. What's easier to replace? A proven hack President, bog standard bean counter who thinks he's a GM and rookie stooge GM OR a HOF QB playing at a level that gives you ridiculous odds of winning Super Bowl when you put a complete team around him?
I mean, were would they ever find another Ryan Pace?
There were actually two Hall-of-Famers that played during Brett's time - Reggie White (kind of important, that one), and Charles Woodson, but only for a couple years at the end...
@Herschel posted:The thing I don't understand about Love is why does he "need" to start in year three? They drafted him in the lower third of Round One and have a fifth-year option.
The 5th year option has to be exercised after year 3 and the salary goes up into the mid-$20’s for that 5th year. I assume they want to see him play live before making that decision. I’m not saying that’s a good reason, but I assume that is the reason.
@Pikes Peak posted:How many HOF’ers did Bart play with.
Good point. There were a lot of guys that could have flourished in that situation too.
@Darryl Hand posted:There were actually two Hall-of-Famers that played during Brett's time - Reggie White (kind of important, that one), and Charles Woodson, but only for a couple years at the end...
LeRoy Butler should be in as well, but not a single other offensive Hall of Famer. Keith Jackson was better than some TEs in the Hall of Fame, but he didn't play long enough to accumulate the counting stats.
Rodgers played with Woodson as the only other sure HOFer. Maybe Bakh gets in.
This is a subscribers only article from JSO, so I will post main snips from it. From Silverstein this AM:
From all appearances, the Green Bay Packers seem ready to tuck their tail between their legs, apologize for their transgressions and give one of the best players in franchise history whatever he wants to make amends.
Then on Monday, came a report from NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport that the thing that was “a little bit of a death knell” for the split between Rodgers and the Packers was the release of wide receiver Jake Kumerow on Sept. 5.
Yes, Jake Kumerow.
If that’s what created the fissure between the two sides, then the Packers should just throw their hands in the air and trade Rodgers.
If general manager Brian Gutekunst can’t make the decision to cut a street free agent with 20 career touches without consulting his star quarterback, then there’s nothing he can do to satisfy him at this point. The depth of his grudge is too great and for the good of the organization. Gutekunst needs to get the very most he can for Rodgers now.
To be real, this grudge isn’t anywhere on the level of Tom Brady fuming when Bill Belichick wouldn’t pay favorite receiver Deion Branch or released popular safety Lawyer Milloy. This is Rodgers upset that Gutekunst chose a younger, stronger, better special teams player in Malik Taylor over the 28-year-old Kumerow.
It should be noted Kumerow ended up signing with the Buffalo Bills after being cut, played in six games, caught one pass for a 22-yard touchdown and was cut. He is not on any NFL team.
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Now, Rodgers hasn’t admitted the Kumerow cut is what irked him most, but he did praise Kumerow on national radio two days before the Packers cut him, so you could understand why it felt like a slap in the face. But should it really be a major part of the grievance as to why he never wants to play with the Packers again?
This has to be coming from Rodgers.
The Packers can keep talking to him and try to convince him to come back, but according to people who are connected to the organization, Rodgers is seeking an extraordinary amount of money. One person said the Packers offered multiple years of guaranteed money with voidable option years, but it wasn’t accepted.
Apparently, it came too late because Rodgers is not backing off his stance.
As great as Rodgers was, the Packers would be stupid to guarantee more than this year and part of next. He is 37 years old and the “make-them-pay” fuel that many think he ran on last year isn’t going to do anything for him when the machinery stops working.
At this point, Rodgers has made it all about him
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But Murphy needs to stand up for Gutekunst and tell him to do what he feels is best for the organization. Don’t give in to Rodgers because you’re worried about your legacy. Do what is best for the team.
If that means going with a veteran placeholder this year and transitioning to Love next year, do it. LaFleur could have someone who runs his offense the way it’s meant to be run and as the Los Angeles Rams team he coordinated in 2017 showed, you can make it to the Super Bowl in his offense without a star quarterback.
Asking several NFL front office people about what the Packers could get for Rodgers, they pointed to the deal the Rams made with Detroit for Matthew Stafford. The Rams gave up first-round picks in 2022 and ’23, a third-round pick in ’21 and quarterback Jared Goff.
The going rate, said one official, is two first-round picks, a player and more draft picks.
The team they should be targeting for a trade is the Denver Broncos, who according to an NFL source would consider dealing for Rodgers.
It is reportedly one of the teams Rodgers would be willing to go to — he does not have a no-trade clause in his contract, so he’d have to play where he is sent if he wants to get paid — and it is in the AFC where the Packers wouldn’t have to worry about facing him next year unless it’s in the Super Bowl.
So, what could they get?
First-round picks in ’22 and ’23 would be a good start, but what if Gutekunst asked for 2020 first-round wide receiver Jerry Jeudy as part of the deal? The Packers have been looking for a young receiver and he was at the top of a historically good class last year.
Jeudy had a rough rookie season with too many drops but considering he was playing with Drew Lock, Jeff Driskel and Brett Rypien at quarterback, it’s a miracle he caught 52 passes for 856 yards and three touchdowns. He was considered a top-notch route runner and, at 6-1½ and 193 pounds, ran a 4.46 40-yard dash.
Between Adams and Jeudy, Love or whoever the quarterback was would have some nice options. The Packers would have Jeudy for three years at a rookie salary and an option year, so it would not hurt their cap.
Denver would have to throw in quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, and the two teams would have to hash out the rest of the draft picks — maybe a first in ’22 and a second or third in ’23 — but the Broncos would be instant contenders and the Packers would be loaded for the future
The Packers have been to the NFC championship game five times in Rodgers’ career and won it once, so there’s no guarantee they get there this year. Plus, at 37, Rodgers is more of an injury risk than Love.
Sometimes a relationship must end the hard way. This is one of those cases, and the Packers should make the best of it with a trade.
Silverstein did mention Surtain instead of Jeudy, however, they'd have to do a sign and trade which can be more complicated then it appears.
It's a clusterfuck, plain and simple. But I agree with him in that, NO player comes before the greater good of the team. This shit has become petty despite AR getting a lot of what he asked for since McVince was canned.
Get the most you can for him at this point. I'd be very surprised if he's on the Packer roster come TC. I just don't see how this ends well.
The Packers had the circus coming to town in 2008, they do not need a repeat in 2021
interesting point from mike clements on the big show...you should go listen, good few minutes from mike - ar was just sick of watching the chase for a championship slip by - i will say it pisses me off also - and watching brady go in and have the tb org just get the dream team together, he just knows gb won't do that, and he wants a championship now - so no money will fix that - the way gb has gotten rid of their core players, the way they did it, real abrupt dismissals, short phone calls, real cold - that is problematic, that's not how you treat key players who gave their best to you...that i put on the fo. they need to be better - they don't want to be a machine, no fa would come here - unless only interested in $...but ar did this all wrong - so i know the only way out is not $ but to move on.
Who have the Packers gotten rid off that they shouldn’t have?
Were the Smiths free agents? Was Mercedes Lewis a free agent? Amos?
It would seem like Denver is the most obvious landing spot for Rodgers given it’s in the AFC and they could send Bridgewater back in return. There’s also the Colorado connection with his better half.
If you could get Jeudy or Fant or Surtain plus multiple picks I think that they have to strongly consider that option. An offensive player may be more important given it’s pretty likely Adams may not want to extend with GB if Rodgers isn’t around. I know the NFL doesn’t work like the NBA with trades but maybe you send Rodgers and Davante and get back several younger players and picks in return. It’s a bit Madden 2021 like, but I agree you do not want this dragging into training camp. Either you make amends or you trade him which seems more likely after June 1.
To your point BK- you could point to Micah Hyde and probably Casey Hayward as guys they should have retained, but the list of guys they didn’t retain that went on to play elsewhere and play better is much longer list.
The more this shit drags on, the more I am in the camp of trade his ass and get as much as you can. But it will come after June 1st, that is the most cap friendly to the Packers.
Fuck Bilgewater...JFC, I'd rather roll the dice with Nub...worst case we get higher draft picks.
You have to wonder if seeing what Brady and TB did was really the last straw for AR, and if he thinks he can do the same thing by going to a team that is a QB away from the SB. I don't think DEN is that team, neither is LV. SF is moving forward with Lance and Gute won't talk to them. Who does that leave? PIT is committed to running Roethlisberger into the ground. Seems like everybody else has either an up and coming QB, just drafted one or acquired one, or has an entrenched vet. The tea leaves seem to point to DEN but they're at least another offseason away from competing for a SB. .
@packerboi posted:It's a clusterfuck, plain and simple. But I agree with him in that, NO player comes before the greater good of the team. This shit has become petty despite AR getting a lot of what he asked for since McVince was canned.
Get the most you can for him at this point. I'd be very surprised if he's on the Packer roster come TC. I just don't see how this ends well.
The Packers had the circus coming to town in 2008, they do not need a repeat in 2021
So Silverstein bases the entirety of his take on Jake Kumerow when we know it wasn't specifically cutting Kumerow but as Hawk stated "death by a thousand cuts".
Could it be it wasn't even cutting Kumerow specifically but the flat out embarrassment of dumping the guy the very next day? The ongoing "shut up and play"?
Solid propaganda Tom, you'd make Fox and MSNBC proud. You took one incident without declaring any context and spun a tale of your musings context free.
Why would Rodgers throw massive, last minute, kiss your ass deal out the window? Because fuck you is why. Because this is my way of saying day late, dollar short and it was never about the money in the first place. Anybody with a lick of pride would do the same. It's human nature.
If I was a savvy journalist as Silverstein (good job mentoring Kiel) I would say that money came with the same "shut up and play" mentality because these guys in the FO are clowns and don't get relationships with huge egos is part of the job. That money came with the same intent as paying hush money to whore. That makes them inept because it is literally a huge part of their job to manage people. You know, those millionaires that make up the team that makes money in the fucking first place. It isn't all sitting in a war room moving playing fantasy football. You assholes actually have to engage.
See, wasn't that easy Tom? Fuck, I'll write your articles for you because my writing comes with the kind of hyperbole that gets clicks.
You know what tires me about this whole situation? It's this kind of shit "journalism". It's the party line crap. That in the world of sports we'll let the lies and propaganda we've absolutely been brainwashed with enter every sphere of our lives.
I love sports, not sports business. Esports is better than this. Women's college softball is better than this.
BTW, as BrainDed stated, Malik Taylor vs. Kumerow? Who gives a fuck? I would also add just another highlight of Gunt's oh so savvy approach to player acquistion. I'm concerned about Malik Taylor when I have a #2 that's a toss up to catch the fucking football and relying on another UDFA to provide some kind of production opposite Adams. Killin' it with that continued mid to low round shotgun approach Dumb Gunt.
Agree with Silverstein and it's probably likely that much of this may be just general frustration from AR at the inability to advance beyond the conference championship game. He said if they got the game in Lambeau things would be different and they weren't.
Don’t knock women’s college softball. As a parent of a child that plays travelling fastpitch 14U I can tell you these girls can play.
There’s also plenty of videos out there of real hitters (including roided up 48 year old Albert Pujols) looking stupid trying to hit against someone like Jennie Finch.
I’ll bet there isn’t one player on the Packers that could hit a rising 55-60MPH pitch at 40 feet or even 43 feet.
Big time professional sports are being polluted by all of the greediness and pettiness and just a-hole cutthroat mentality of players and front office folks. They don’t give two shits about the fans or what we think. If they have to step on people or lie, cheat, steal to get what they want hey as long as it helps get to the end goal it’s all fair game.
As I get older I find myself watching less and less NFL and MLB and NBA and watching more college and HS sports. At lower levels it still tends to be much more about the team instead of a few individuals.
Things were different in that the stadium was mostly empty and temps were mild for January. Almost completely negated HFA.
The offense became a shit show under McVince...Gutey had zero to do with that.
Yeah, the leadership structure is like sweaty balls on an Arkansas summer day with no Gold Bond within 200 miles...but the offense wasn't the reason we didn't get to the Owl the last two years.
For the better part of a year or two, this was essentially a rudderless ship as Ted was barreling down Dementia Highway at 90mph. They got rid of McVince at the first opportunity, and brought in the best offensive mind they could get...and it worked. I think the Kumerow thing is bullshit. I think all these "1,000 cuts" are bullshit...the bottom line is, piss poor communication from the FO...and that is 100% on Murphy. He is the one who hired a bean counter and a personnel nerd as his GM structure...so it's on him 100% if 12 feels unloved.
If 12 thinks he has a better chance to get to the Owl with Fangina in Denver...then go.
@michiganjoe posted:Agree with Silverstein and it's probably likely that much of this may be just general frustration from AR at the inability to advance beyond the conference championship game. He said if they got the game in Lambeau things would be different and they weren't.
Rodgers didn't play badly by any means, but great players, HOF players..take it to another level. Opportunities were left on the field that the offense failed to convert on. Yes, Adams and Aaron Jones did him no favors but that doesn't change the fact that Rodgers faced a 1st and goal from their 8 yard line and couldn't convert.
He also missed a streaking Adams wide open for a TD and IIRC missed Tonyan on the right side of the EZ for a sure TD in the same game. The defense gave him 3 Brady INT's and he did nothing with them
My point is, great players figure out a way to win. Rodgers got exactly what he wanted. The number 1 seed and HFA throughout. And they couldn't get it done.
He likely won't admit it, but that's likely contributing to his overall bitterness.
@Tschmack posted:To your point BK- you could point to Micah Hyde and probably Casey Hayward as guys they should have retained, but the list of guys they didn’t retain that went on to play elsewhere and play better is much longer list.
So. Other than Hyde who had a few decent seasons in Buffalo....JAGS.
@Chongo posted:I think the Kumerow thing is bullshit. I think all these "1,000 cuts" are bullshit...If 12 thinks he has a better chance to get to the Owl with Fangina in Denver...then go.
Brady gets his GM to pull Antonio Brown out of jail and sign him and AR can't even get his GM to keep WR5 over another scrub - that's what pissed off pissy-boy. he views it as his His manhood being challenged publicly...Gute views it as a bottom of the roster move.
You know what else pissed off Rodgers ? Losing to Brady at Lambeau after he declared Lambeau would be different. Again, his manhood and proclamations challenged publicly. He doesn't like looking bad on the big stage he created
And rather than accepting his role in that NFCCG failure - he is blaming everybody else. And rather than doubling down and coming back with a vengeance, he wants to take the ball and go play elsewhere - where he can call the shots just like Manning/Denver and Brady/Bucs did.
Of course the Packers made mistakes, every front office ever did the same, including Lombardi and Wolf. BFD. Grow a pair, hunker down and overcome the obstacles.
I'm a HUGE HUGE HUGE Rodgers fan, but...If winning in GB is too hard for him, thanks for everything and good luck in Denver.
It is on Murphy. He was more concerned about building sledding hills than actually overseeing football operations and administration. Anyone with 2 functioning eyeballs could see Ted wasn’t right the last several years of his tenure. That’s how we end up with Kevin King instead of TJW. Or 2015 and 2016 drafts that sucked ass. Not to mention hanging onto McVince way too long which wasted years of Rodgers play.
People want to pile on Gute and I think he deserves a lot criticism as well, but it’s not like he’s being put in the best situation to succeed either. If it’s about getting a GM position, I’d argue he might be better served going elsewhere because Murphy is a horrible boss and an even worse leader.
Murphy (and his lackey Russ Ball) seem to be a lot more concerned about the bottom line than about wins and losses and doing things the right way. This is what you get when you are fixated on dollars and cents. I mean, the story of not being able to hire a decent special teams coach because he was too costly sums it up the best. They didn’t want to pay an assistant coach! What the fuck indeed.
To me, the only way GB can fix this is to reshuffle the deck in the FO and start with a clean slate. That’s not in response to Rodgers specifically, but the concerns over the power structure and issues that have come up as a result. Problems will persist as long as the triangle and Murphy is in place.
@Tschmack posted:Don’t knock women’s college softball. As a parent of a child that plays travelling fastpitch 14U I can tell you these girls can play.
There’s also plenty of videos out there of real hitters (including roided up 48 year old Albert Pujols) looking stupid trying to hit against someone like Jennie Finch.
I’ll bet there isn’t one player on the Packers that could hit a rising 55-60MPH pitch at 40 feet or even 43 feet.
Big time professional sports are being polluted by all of the greediness and pettiness and just a-hole cutthroat mentality of players and front office folks. They don’t give two shits about the fans or what we think. If they have to step on people or lie, cheat, steal to get what they want hey as long as it helps get to the end goal it’s all fair game.
As I get older I find myself watching less and less NFL and MLB and NBA and watching more college and HS sports. At lower levels it still tends to be much more about the team instead of a few individuals.
Somewhat disagree. 30 yrs. ago on a camping trip we got up a softball game. Opposite team had a girl who pitched in Jr. College. She strikes out the first 2 guys on my team but I already got her figured out. Start the swing as soon as the ball leaves her hand. Hit the first one into the woods. Now she's pissed. She gonna really crank it up. Next time up I start my swing just as her hand is even with her knee. Hit it farther into the woods.
I’m not sure what the game was like 30 years ago, but kudos to you man because it isn’t easy.
We played a 12U team last season and one of the pitchers (13 year old) in the area was running it up close to 60. Between the rising fastball and the off speed stuff that was some crazy shit to watch.
My daughter had 1 of 2 hits off of her so that was cool. When I asked her after the game what that experience was like she said “not much fun” lol. The coach of the other team then gave her a sales pitch to join their squad. Good times.
@Satori posted:And rather than accepting his role in that NFCCG failure - he is blaming everybody else. And rather than doubling down and coming back with a vengeance, he wants to take the ball and go play elsewhere - where he can call the shots just like Manning/Denver and Brady/Bucs did.
Really? Pretty sure I didn't hear him blame anyone else. Is wanting to go "all in" not a sign of doubling down and winning it all or does Rodgers have to do everything and is the entire loss on him?
@Chongo posted:The more this shit drags on, the more I am in the camp of trade his ass and get as much as you can. But it will come after June 1st, that is the most cap friendly to the Packers.
Fuck Bilgewater...JFC, I'd rather roll the dice with Nub...worst case we get higher draft picks.
Agreed. You aren't going to be anything more than a wild-card contender with Bridgewater anyway, so you might as well give JLove the reps.
As many others have said, the thing that sucks about this the most is that it's in no ones best interest for Rodgers to play anywhere other than Green Bay next year (and probably in 2022 as well).
The Packers Super Bowl window is wide open if Rodgers was back and invested. It's going to be a 2-3 year process with JLove to know if he's a guy you can make playoff runs with, even if he turns out to be a top 10 QB.
Rodgers has a better roster around him in Green Bay than he'll get anywhere else he can now go. All indications are pointing to Denver, but if Mahomes is healthy it's going to be very difficult for Denver to even win their division, let alone get to the Super Bowl. The Chiefs have improved their OL dramatically this offseason. With those skill position players and Mahomes behind that good of an OL, the Chiefs could average 45 next year. Even if their defense is questionable, you're going to have to play a perfect game on offense to beat them most times.
It's better for Jordan Love to get another year in the system where he can actually play live reps in pre-season games. He hasn't thrown a pass in a live situation since December 20, 2019. His weakness coming out of college was decision making and you need live reps to work through that. Even generational prospects like Payton Manning took a year or so to not be fooled by NFL schemes and adjust to the fact that there are very few NFL DBs that aren't faster than 90% of college DBs (especially the teams Utah State played)
Assuming he's going to Denver, it's not even better for Denver to have a trade go through. They were 5-11 last year. The skill position players are nowhere near what the Packers have. Jerry Jeudy might be good, but he's not D. Adams and it takes years of reps to get to where Rodgers and Adams are now in terms of chemistry. Their RBs are Melvin Gordon and a new draft pick (you'd obviously take Aaron Jones over them). Their line has no one near the level of Elgton Jenkins or Bakhtiari. Their defense is not even as talented as Green Bay's and is highly dependent on a 32-year-old former superstar pass rusher coming back from a serious injury (Von Miller). Patrick Surtain looks very promising, but if he hits his ceiling he'll be close to on par with Jaire Alexander. So, Denver will mortgage the next 3-4 years to get Rodgers to take them from a 5-11 team to a 10-6 team at best to get beat on the road in the first round of the playoffs?
While the Packers front office made some missteps and miscalculations in how they handled this, this is now to the point where Rodgers not having strong family relationships or a spouse/girlfriend that's been with him for a while hurts. The analogy is Michael Jordan's NBA Hall of Fame induction speech where he inexplicably insulted his high school teammates, his children's athletic ability, and just about as many people as he could. He came across as the arrogant prick he probably always was but kept hidden. The type of people who probably could help suppress this stuff was his former wife and his late father. You need the type of people many of us are lucky to have around us that know you well enough and long enough to say "what the fukk are you doing, you fukking idiot" and tell you the truth. Shailene Woodley literally has been quoted as knowing almost nothing about football. Rodgers doesn't talk to his family (although I think that's as much on them than him - like them being pissed for not allowing his brother to leech more off Aaron's popularity when Jordan Rodgers was on the bachelor). He needs a long-time spouse/father/uncle/high school coach to tell him that no matter what happened for this to get to this point, he's being a total idiot and cutting off his nose to spite his face. He doesn't have that.
@Chongo posted:The more this shit drags on, the more I am in the camp of trade his ass and get as much as you can. But it will come after June 1st, that is the most cap friendly to the Packers.
Fuck Bilgewater...JFC, I'd rather roll the dice with Nub...worst case we get higher draft picks.
I think they have to at this point. Trade him and move on. The damage is done to this organization.
Agreed. But I can pretty much guarantee Murphy will do little and say less. It’s his MO when confronted with a situation like this. He’s going to spend the next few weeks looking at how to improve the sled hill.
Get as much as you can and move on.
BTW, the only way this organization recovers is after all parties are gone.
I've defended 12...I've taken his side on this. I've said from the jump this is mostly on the FO. I've detailed how he is NOT Bert in so many ways...but...
Be careful what you wish for Aaron...the grass isn't always greener...and like it or not, this will change your legacy in Green Bay.