I'm not aware of a single fan who said the Packers are blameless or that they could have and should have handled it better. Stipulated.
The same is true for Manning whining about Irsay, Favre kvetching about TT, Brady weaseling his way out of NE.

That's the past. I'm not concerned with the past. What I am concerned with is the future. What would it take to reconcile the 2 parties ?

IF Rodgers wants all in and a partnership, then take less than top cash.
IF he needs to be handled, coddled and a paycheck commensurate with MVP - then he's not All In and he can take his show on the road and try it someplace else.

As far as the placeholder meme - every single player in the NFL is a placeholder, its just that some of them realize it and some don't. NFL = not for long.

The pandemic effed the cap - its unfortunate, but that's the reality. So if you wanna go All In post pandemic, here's how much we can afford to pay you. Anything more and YOUR chances to win a Title are greatly diminished.
That's a fact, jack

So its time to decide: Do you want a financial apology or do you want a Title ? They are mutually exclusive goals in the current environment

So its time to either feed your Ego or feed your Legacy

Choose wisely

Help me understand why not wait to next year to trade him?

I doubt he sits out of TC, that is not a good look for an image conscious guy.

If he retires, then the opportunity cost is trade value, but unless I am wrong, if they claw back the signing bonuses, they get cap relief for what they can claw back? At least that is the information I can find.  And if he decides to "un-retire", they still hold the rights to him.

Trading him post June 1 to Broncos doesn't give them much advantage, maybe getting a guy like Bridgewater to give Jordan another year, but at that point the season is wasted anyways.  If the Broncos do have a good year and go far, any picks they get are greatly diminished.

Placeholder isn’t a meme. It’s happened because the FO never saw it coming. But it did.
Everything ends badly in the NFL. For every player. That’s just the way it is and it’s always going to be that way. When you have a QB like Rodgers it’s on the FO to limit how to limit how ugly that crash is  

Rodgers is a monumental douche. He is. I still think about his “everyone has to be all in” after the NFCCG game loss in Atlanta and then wonder how he squares that angle as this shit unspools  He’s also a 1st ballot HOFer that can absolutely produce.

This ain’t Favre 2.0. It’s a confluence of dumbasses that failed to read 100% of the room. Or talk about the room. Or figure out how to make the room work.

Im just ready for Murph and Gute to make a decision. Either way. I want AR back but it’s all on the FO now. Just figure it out so GB can get onto 2021.

My point.  Have equal contempt for every fucking clown in this drama that just cost this team and its fanbase any shot at a Super Bowl in the immediate future.

Mark Tauschers idea:

Rip up current contract. Sign him to a 2 year FULLY guaranteed deal with a no trade clause built in. He’s here 2 years with no issues.

Then, ala Brady, he decides what he wants to do in 2023. He can re up with the Packers if he wants. He can choose whatever team he wants if the Packers and he decide to move on. He controls his own fate.

No idea if both sides would agree to it. But it certainly has its pluses for the FO and for him.

@GratefulPack posted:

Help me understand why not wait to next year to trade him?

that was the original plan, but Rodgers + agent didn't want a lame-duck season or to be a placeholder. That's understandable.
That's why agent Dunn fomented the shit-storm now.
Next year, the Packers know more about Love, more about TV money & cap space and more about Rodgers health/age etc.

Now -  all of that is out the window and both parties either need to be all in or all out in the next 60 days. I sincerely hope he stays, but he is going to have to put aside his bruised vagina to do that. The Packers have already extended several olive branches, only to have them publicly trampled as "insufficient"

Warts and all - Do you want to be a Packer or not ?

GB can accommodate either option, but at some point the apologizing & prostrating has to be enough. Or not.

Perhaps Gute should ask Rodgers' Mom how they eventually worked it out. What's that you say ? He's still estranged from his parents ?

hmmm...I'm sensing a pattern here.

I’d do that if I were the Packers.

@packerboi posted:

Mark Tauschers idea:

Rip up current contract. Sign him to a 2 year FULLY guaranteed deal with a no trade clause built in. He’s here 2 years with no issues.

Then, ala Brady, he decides what he wants to do in 2023. He can re up with the Packers if he wants. He can choose whatever team he wants if the Packers and he decide to move on. He controls his own fate.

No idea if both sides would agree to it. But it certainly has its pluses for the FO and for him.

Why wouldn't the Packers take that deal? Question is, would Rodgers take it?

@packerboi posted:

Mark Tauschers idea:

Rip up current contract. Sign him to a 2 year FULLY guaranteed deal with a no trade clause built in. He’s here 2 years with no issues.

its a great idea - but not sure the money will work unless you push a ton into future caps. Dak got $45M, there's no way you can pay that on a 2 yr $90M deal.

$35M x 2 years, is doable, but its less than what he's getting now and I'm reasonably sure this structure was one of the options offered by GB and rejected by AR.

I used to like Tauscher. Rodgers can play under his current contract or retire.

Boy wants 60 mil a year. After the 2 years we'll be in cap hell with a young QB. I think I get why Gunt didn't want to extend him. Now I really think they need to either trade him or commit to him for the next 4 years.

I think the urgency from Rodgers side, beyond the emotional side of being a “placeholder” (which I think is just an excuse like all of the other offenses supposedly taken), is that Rodgers is basically fucked if something happens this year. He’s coming off an MVP season, he’s 100% healthy (which he hasn’t always been over the last 6 years), and his trade value could be the most enticing it will ever be. When Rodgers says he “threw off timetables” I assume that’s what he means, he means his value is peaking and it’s the best time to trade him.

@Goalline posted:

Boy wants 60 mil a year. After the 2 years we'll be in cap hell with a young QB. I think I get why Gunt didn't want to extend him. Now I really think they need to either trade him or commit to him for the next 4 years.

Give him a 10 year, $120M contract that is paid out over 2 years with 8 dummy years.

@Goalline posted:

Boy wants 60 mil a year. After the 2 years we'll be in cap hell with a young QB. I think I get why Gunt didn't want to extend him. Now I really think they need to either trade him or commit to him for the next 4 years.

Right, "build for the future", not a Super Bowl now.

It worked out alright for TT and McVince to build a new, young team from the ground up around Rodgers.  Not sure why it would be a bad way to go with Love while possibly pulling down another Super Bowl as Rodgers heads out the door.

@Satori posted:

its a great idea - but not sure the money will work unless you push a ton into future caps. Dak got $45M, there's no way you can pay that on a 2 yr $90M deal.

$35M x 2 years, is doable, but its less than what he's getting now and I'm reasonably sure this structure was one of the options offered by GB and rejected by AR.

I wondered that as well. But then I also wonder if they could make much of it a sign on bonus. It’s what they did with his other contract which had a 56 million dollar one attached.

He got a 6.5 million dollar one in March. I am no cap guru but I wonder if that bonus could be worked into this hypothetical deal.

@GBFanForLife posted:

I used to like Tauscher. Rodgers can play under his current contract or retire.

Tauscher!  Another traitor shifting the blame!

Everyone is picking sides. Should be a protest outside Lambeau any day now. Green Bay Rodgers fans.

Said this days ago. Fully guarantee 2 years with an option to go from there with no promises.

Or trade him for the best haul you can get.

It is that simple.

Shit gets crazy if Rodgers looks for $80 million for 2 years.

Then the GM picks a lane.

@Grave Digger posted:

Everyone is picking sides. Should be a protest outside Lambeau any day now. Green Bay Rodgers fans.

I was thinking a master class in creative writing.  You too can write fiction!

@Henry posted:

Right, "build for the future", not a Super Bowl now.

It worked out alright for TT and McVince to build a new, young team from the ground up around Rodgers.  Not sure why it would be a bad way to go with Love while possibly pulling down another Super Bowl as Rodgers heads out the door.

Are you guaranteeing all this?

It's going to be a tough sell to the fans PR-wise for AR if he wants to put them in cap hell.

I mean I realize he has to feed his family and all but.

https://www.audacy.com/sports/...-ranked-by-net-worth

Aaron Rodgers thinking it's easier to win a Super Bowl some place other than Green Bay is like Bert Beilama thinking it was easier to get into the NCAA playoffs at Arkansas instead of Wisconsin.    Sooey PIG!!!!!!!!!!

@Goalline posted:

Are you guaranteeing all this?

Yes, I have that power.  I guarantee it.  Gunt doesn't even have to pretend he knows what he's doing anymore.  That's the kind of power I have.

Matt Ryan has career made $5 million more than Aaron Rodgers with 3 fewer seasons.

Can’t control how teams spend. But that’s 13 years vs 16 years. Make that make sense? And tell me how does Rodgers compartmentalize that after 13 years of Matt Ryan?

I've got my protest placard ready!

WIN A FUCKING SUPER BOWL YOU SHIT WAFFLES!

@Satori posted:

IF Rodgers wants all in and a partnership, then take less than top cash.

Thats like telling the spouse who was cheated on that they need to trust again to get over the infidelity.    Too fucking late.   Gute sucked another dick and Rodgers doesn't want to make out with him after that.

@GBFanForLife posted:

I used to like Tauscher. Rodgers can play under his current contract or retire.

I have a feeling that before this is over there are going to be quite a few former  players that "true" Packer Backer fans will no longer care for.

I mean, who would've thought Jordy Nelson would turn into an ungrateful biscuit eating son of a biatch and publicly question the bestest run organization if all of professional sports?

Jordy Nelson: 'I don't know what they're doing' regarding Packers not extending Aaron Rodgers

https://247sports.com/Article/...confused--164168459/

I never bought into Jordy's Kansas farm boy schtick, just like Rodgers he was always out just for himself ... in the front office and authentic as the day is long Mark Murphy Packer fans must trust.

And about that Davante tweet yesterday ... don't get me started.

Bunch of ingrates.

@BrainDed posted:

Thats like telling the spouse who was cheated on that they need to trust to get over the infidelity.    Too fucking late.   Gute sucked another dick and Rodgers doesn't want to make out with him after that.

So why was everyone so mad at Favre? Yes, Bert threatened retirement, but there sat Rodgers on the bench ready to take over for three years. Now everyone is saying how Rodgers should have been consulted on this and that and let him have Kumerow, etc., but no one was saying the same about Bert.  So, Gute cheated and now Rodgers doesn't want to make out with him and everyone is blaming the front office. Huh. Weird how times change.

wow, 'this thing is spinning out of a muck' - Michael G. Scott.

@Fandame posted:

So why was everyone so mad at Favre? Yes, Bert threatened retirement

You answered your own question.   Brett was talking retirement PRIOR to the Packers drafting Rodgers.    Arron was talking about how we wanted to play until he was 40 prior to them drafting Love.

So to continue with my analogy.   Farve was talking about having an open relationship.  The Packers got laid first, he cried.   Rodgers was preaching about the joy of monogamy, Gute whored himself.

@Henry posted:

Yes, I have that power.  I guarantee it.  Gunt doesn't even have to pretend he knows what he's doing anymore.  That's the kind of power I have.

You have my hopes up. I'm holding you to this.

In addition, Brett's coaches & teammates were no longer enamored with him. He had a locker away from the rest of the players and was not considered a mentor / leader by young teammates. In addition, in the 2 cold weather games he played that year (at Chicago & the NFCCG vs. Giants), he acted like he didn't want to come out of the locker room for the second half, which prompted MM to say "if he wasn't Brett Favre I would bench him" .... AR has been nothing but a great teammate and always plays hard to win.

@BrainDed posted:

Thats like telling the spouse who was cheated on that they need to trust again to get over the infidelity.    Too fucking late.   Gute sucked another dick and Rodgers doesn't want to make out with him after that.

Horrible analogy. Did this happen in your life? Whose dick did you suck? Your poor wife.

@Fandame posted:

So why was everyone so mad at Favre? Yes, Bert threatened retirement, but there sat Rodgers on the bench ready to take over for three years. Now everyone is saying how Rodgers should have been consulted on this and that and let him have Kumerow, etc., but no one was saying the same about Bert.  So, Gute cheated and now Rodgers doesn't want to make out with him and everyone is blaming the front office. Huh. Weird how times change.

Right? According to the logic here, we should have traded Rodgers and given Favre a massive pay raise. That would have guaranteed us a Super Bowl, right? Probably somewhere around 2010.

@FLPACKER posted:

AR has been nothing but a great teammate and always plays hard to win.

Greg Jennings and Donald Driver disagree.

@packerboi posted:

Mark Tauschers idea:

Rip up current contract. Sign him to a 2 year FULLY guaranteed deal with a no trade clause built in. He’s here 2 years with no issues.

Then, ala Brady, he decides what he wants to do in 2023. He can re up with the Packers if he wants. He can choose whatever team he wants if the Packers and he decide to move on. He controls his own fate.

No idea if both sides would agree to it. But it certainly has its pluses for the FO and for him.

This is exactly what I imagined after Love was drafted and after this season ended, that this is Rodgers team through 2022 and after that it depends on Rodgers' and Love's performance.  I was hoping that would happen without a new contract but clearly things have changed.

I just don't see anywhere else being a better chance for the Super Bowl than here.  To those that think Denver is better, two names to remember - Vic Fangio and Pat Shurmur.  Shurmur is pretty much McCarthy 2.0 and Fangio may be the worst head coach in the league. 

Once again, these NFL players want to be like their MLB or NBA brethren and exert more power and authority over their situations.  But they can thank the NFLPA for fucking that up.  Just like the owners, the only thing players care about is what their overall % of the revenue pie is.  That’s it.  

This is about control.  Who has the power to control their own destiny?  Newsflash- if ain’t the players and that’s why Rodgers is acting this way.    He’s trying to create leverage by publicly airing the dirty laundry in an attempt to get the team to do what he wants, which I believe is two things:

1) much like JJ Watt, he wants to win but he  won’t do it for a hometown discount.  So Rodgers wants the Packers to settle up for his MVP season.   That’s not 35MM a year.

2) if he can’t get paid what he wants, he wants security and more control over decisions that impact him.  In other words, rework his current contract to not allow GB to release or trade him after 2021.

Rodgers and his agent (Dunn) aren’t dummies.  They know the cap will likely rebound in a couple of years but in the meantime they want him to get paid AND have security more than a year out.  The problem is I don’t know how you can make it work financially.

It’s entirely possible they could do what Tauscher is suggesting.  The fatal flaw is Rodgers won’t accept less money to make that happen.  It’s funny - he wants Brady type control but wants to also be the highest paid QB at the same time.  It doesn’t work that way.

David Dunn basically forced the issue with Carson Palmer and if we think Rodgers will just come around eventually we will be waiting a long time.  Your camp can’t publicly make threats like “I’m not playing again in GB” without following through on it.   That’s why I think a trade to one of his preferred destinations is the only realistic solution.  If it’s Denver, so be it. Provide multiple high draft picks and a couple of decent players and let’s move on already.

@Goalline posted:

Right? According to the logic here, we should have traded Rodgers and given Favre a massive pay raise. That would have guaranteed us a Super Bowl, right? Probably somewhere around 2010.

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall that Ted stepped up, called Bert's bluff, faced the wrath of the legions of Favre fans (who was far more beloved than #12 is currently), and dealt ol' #4 away.

Meanwhile, Gutey & Murph are tripping over themselves to publicly declare their unwavering commitment to Aaron -- when not making trips to Cali to beg him to return.

Come on boys, you must be smart enough to understand that when you spent the team's 2020 1st & 4th round draft picks on Rodgers' successor that this day would come sooner rather than later.

You've already wasted the opportunity to trade Aaron prior to the 2021 draft, get on the horn, stop telling teams looking to trade for the reigning MVP that he is not available, and make sure you don't further devalue what the team can get in return.

I mean not even your biggest detractors would accuse you of being so stupid that you didn't contemplate a whiny, douche like Aaron Rodgers wanting out in 2021 after the 2020 Love selections ... would they?

@Goalline posted:

Greg Jennings and Donald Driver disagree.

Greg would give anything to jump into the Delorean and tell Doc to dial up February 2013.

@Goalline posted:

Horrible analogy. Did this happen in your life? Whose dick did you suck? Your poor wife.

More like who's dick didn't I suck.