Murphy, Gute and LeFleur have all said their piece to the media since this sh*t storm came out. Yes it's carefully worded but they've said something that can be attributed to each of them and can't be taken back. It's time for Rodgers to do the same. He doesn't have to lay all his cards on the table but he has to say something, rather than strategically leak bits and pieces through friendly channels. Until that happens, I don't see this getting resolved. Doesn't need to be an interview with Oprah, just a statement that lays out his issues and where he stands on playing for the Packers in 2021.
@CUPackFan posted:Murphy, Gute and LeFleur have all said their piece to the media since this sh*t storm came out. Yes it's carefully worded but they've said something that can be attributed to each of them and can't be taken back. It's time for Rodgers to do the same. He doesn't have to lay all his cards on the table but he has to say something, rather than strategically leak bits and pieces through friendly channels. Until that happens, I don't see this getting resolved. Doesn't need to be an interview with Oprah, just a statement that lays out his issues and where he stands on playing for the Packers in 2021.
Generic statements, other than Mayo's, means nothing.
Not sure I would say anything while this whole thing is still being played out. The statement will come when they get it all smoothed out (not likely) or it's official Rodgers is done in Green Bay.
@Grave Digger posted:Good to know who's a Packers fan and who is a Rodgers/Brady/Bucs fan.
Again, nothing.
@Timpranillo posted:Because at the end of the day, nothing gets me more excited than hearing about the shops and ice skating rink that Mark Murphy has lined up for the Titletown USA real estate development. A whiny petulant QB gets in the way of my enjoyment of the Packers and their exploration of alternative sources of revenue.
It's time to remove this cancer from the organization so the Packers and Mark Murphy can focus on the things that make me a fan - positive cash flows, hardcore player negotiations, financial planning, and complementary revenue sources.
I'm at full mast just thinking about it. Who needs pussy?
@Henry posted:OH SHIT! My bad.
What is the common denominator here? I just can't quite figure it out.
NFL passes intercepted single playoff game.
Brady does have a couple. I think it was because the defense on those Patriots teams were average.
Lol! I thought you would’ve gotten that righta way
@Chongo posted:I think Brandt has traveled too far up Choad Highway to be useful at this point. He's become a media personality now.
Go get John Dorsey and make Eliot Wolf your head of personnel. Obviously, Eliot isn't ready to be a GM yet...he's been passed over more than a 3-day old prune danish. Or maybe you hire John Schneider as your president, and let him rebuild the tree.
The only way John Dorsey comes here is if he gets total control of personnel. So exact same way Wolf and Ted had it. And that would be fine by me.
If they want to clean house, dump Murphy. Dump Gute. Keep MLF. Make nice with AR and give him a 2 year deal. Then find a Bob Harlan type that's hands off unless the wheels fall off. Russ Ball is told he does contracts and that's it.
Dorsey will not recruit "packer people" but he definitely knows talent. Just ask the Chiefs and Browns.
It would take the board to make this kind of move and fire Murphy. Doubt it happens but I wouldn't lose any sleep over this move.
I'd almost locked it out of my mind. Thanks.
Wanting your team to have the best shot at winning a Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers isn't being a Rodgers fan over being a Packers fan. In my mind, it makes you more of a fan because you want the team to win now, and you realize the best shot of doing that is with a HOF QB. It means you are OK with perhaps the Packers not being as good again for a bit longer because you "wasted" the Jordan Love pick because you stuck with #12 a couple more years than you should have.
If I thought the current situation with 12 was even remotely similar to Bert, I'd be the first one to say trade him June 1.
This is about one thing only...12 wants to finish his career as a Packer, and the FO doesn't care about that, hanging their hat on "we are building for the future." They are giving lip service, but the fact they won't commit beyond 2021 and give 12 the assurances he can retire a Packer, speaks volumes. Every other "reason," is noise. That's all. What Tampax Bay did with Fuck Face has nothing to do with this. AT ALL. Pure fantasy.
Favre stating he wasn’t upset with the Rodgers pick ranks right up there with “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinsky’”
I’d buy that for a dollar!
Only person I see that's in any real danger of losing their job is Aaron Rodgers.
@michiganjoe posted:Only person I see that's in any real danger of losing their job is Aaron Rodgers.
Something tells me he'll be able to get another one pretty fast.
@packerboi posted:The only way John Dorsey comes here is if he gets total control of personnel.
ironically enough - that's the reason he didn't get the GM job- his abrasive nature gave people pause in giving him full control. That's also why he got ousted by Andy Reid in KC, with Andy Reid coming out on top.
Yeah Murphy! Cut Rodgers! That'll show 'em all who's boss!
That's right! Murphy's so tough he'll eat the whole cap hit and kick Rodgers out the door for nothing in return! That'll get across how unimportant you are Rodgers!
The new structure that is being put in place at a lot of teams is the GM answers to the coach, not the other way around. We're seeing it in Kansas City with Reid, Carolina with Ruhle, San Fran with Shanahan, and to an extent, Tampa Bay with Arians. No doubt the coaches on those teams are making the final decision, not the GM. And I'm sure there are more examples but don't feel like going through the list of teams/coaches/GMs.
I don't think it matters how the power structure looks as long as you have the right guys and they can work together.
I believe the Steeler with Tomlin is similar as well. He has a lot of say in personnel.
I could see MLF getting to that point. Especially when you start out 26-6 in your first 2 years. But I can't see that with Gute as GM. It would take another GM working with MLF who would give him much more say in those decisions.
Heartwarming to see the same "loyal" and "true" wing of the fan base protecting the front office from all the current scurrilous blasphemy being spouted by the unknowing knaves.
As with Ted's 2015-2017 draft/personnel management prowess, Dom's 2011-17 defensive genius, and Mac's unparalleled offensive concepts circa 2015-2018, reflexive defense of all things the front office and coaches do is the only way a "real" Green & Gold fan should react to the current discord in Green Bay.
Once Gutey & Murph get rid of the current cancer at QB (and the traitorous WR #17), we'll show the rest of the NFL just how great we are with Jordan Love at QB.
We may even win half as many Super Bowls over the next 20 years as that pathetic Tampa Bay franchise -- just like the first 20 years of this century.
@CUPackFan posted:The new structure that is being put in place at a lot of teams is the GM answers to the coach, not the other way around. We're seeing it in Kansas City with Reid, Carolina with Ruhle, San Fran with Shanahan, and to an extent, Tampa Bay with Arians.
Good call - and you can trace this change back to head coaches super agent Bob Lamonte. There's a cool article on him being the "Kingmaker" and pushing for the exact set up you described above. LaMonte was Holmgren's room mate and buddy before he jumped into the agent business, repping HC's
@packerboi posted:I could see MLF getting to that point. Especially when you start out 26-6 in your first 2 years. But I can't see that with Gute as GM.
Actually, flipping the org chart might be one way to resolve this current impasse
Give MLF a paper promotion and give MLF final say on roster. That would give AR the oppty to weigh in with his HC on why a guy should be kept.
Anyone think the Queens are having fun with this?
I mean, remember 6 days ago when Queen play-by-play guy/KFAN host Paul Allen was the first to leak the Rodgers trade story (and Schefter sent his tweet shortly thereafter)?
Anyone know where Allen got that inside info from - knowing Allen does not leak anything without running it by the Vikes organization before hand?
Anyone know where George Paton worked the past 13 years before he became the Broncos GM a couple of months ago?
Then there is Spielman feeding ESPN about how he went out of his way to notify KIRK FREAKING COUSINS that the team was drafting a project QB in round 3.
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@SteveLuke posted:Heartwarming to see the same "loyal" and "true" wing of the fan base protecting the front office from all the current scurrilous blasphemy being spouted by the unknowing knaves.
As with Ted's 2015-2017 draft/personnel management prowess, Dom's 2011-17 defensive genius, and Mac's unparalleled offensive concepts circa 2015-2018, reflexive defense of all things the front office and coaches do is the only way a "real" Green & Gold fan should react to the current discord in Green Bay.
Once Gutey & Murph get rid of the current cancer at QB (and the traitorous WR #17), we'll show the rest of the NFL just how great we are with Jordan Love at QB.
We may even win half as many Super Bowls over the next 20 years as that pathetic Tampa Bay franchise -- just like the first 20 years of this century.
I’m just fucking with some of you about being a Rodgers fan first. I mean it does seem like the dial has tilted in the direction of excusing everything Rodgers does because he’s really good and some of you are very wound up in this drama. I don’t think there’s anyone here who disagrees the FO mismanaged the relationship, but why would anyone excuse this whiny power play bullshit from a player? Being a GBP fan doesn’t mean you have to like everything the team does, but being a fan of any team and just constantly hating every move the leadership makes seems miserable.
@Satori posted:Curious: When's the last time Henry got laid ?
I think you might be overdue to bury your bone someplace warm and safeThis is Ryann Murphy; so hypothetically you could give Murphy a good spanking and relieve some of that tissue tension at the same time. Everybody wins.
You are a good friend, Satan. Henry needs you.
@Grave Digger posted:I’m just fucking with some of you about being a Rodgers fan first. I mean it does seem like the dial has tilted in the direction of excusing everything Rodgers does
Being a GBP fan doesn’t mean you have to like everything the team does,
Nope.
Pack's front office is winning the PR battle with the "loyal" fans, the booing at a minor league baseball game is just the start.
I mean the "Gute is Krause" leak was just another ploy by team Rodgers to make him look good right?
And while being a "true" GBP fans may not mean you have to LIKE everything the team does, with a significant portion of the fan base it does mean KEEP YOUR DAMN MOUTH SHUT ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ... because you're not a trained professional like Murph or Gute or Dom or Slocum or Mennenga.
i remember being a lot more angry with Favre and the way he went about it than with AR. Maybe it was just the back and forth every year, will he retire? will he keep playing? I think we were just tired of the same song and dance. I do believe AR is done tho and I dont think Gute is the reason. He saw Brady come in and get another super bowl with a new team and figures all he has to do is go to a team with a defense that can stop someone. I dont have any faith that team next year will be the Packers and I doubt he does either.
@SteveLuke posted:Nope.
Pack's front office is winning the PR battle with the "loyal" fans, the booing at a minor league baseball game is just the start.
I mean the "Gute is Krause" leak was just another ploy by team Rodgers to make him look good right?
And while being a "true" GBP fans may not mean you have to LIKE everything the team does, with a significant portion of the fan base it does mean KEEP YOUR DAMN MOUTH SHUT ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ... because you're not a trained professional like Murph or Gute or Dom or Slocum or Mennenga.
I can’t track who you’re talking about here. It seems you think the fan base as a whole is against Rodgers and the whole fan base is telling you to shut up about your feelings? Or are you just referring to X4?
I can’t speak for the entire fan base, so I will be blunt about X4 (which is what I was referring to): the people that bitch about the front office and personnel moves seem to do it CONSTANTLY. Every post in every thread can somehow be tied back to how inept the FO is. That shit is really fucking annoying even if they are correct in the context. If people want to be a dumpy diaper about how much they hate the people that run the team that’s fine, but, speaking for myself, I’m always going to call out the people that say nothing but that crap.
I really believe the media piling on at this point is meant to be noise to move AR from the division and the conference...I notice alot of shitcago / minn chirping lately on this subject, same with sf and generally NFC teams who would love to see gb knocked off the mountain. annoying to say the least, still can't really believe he won't be on the team this year. just think that eventually cooler heads prevail. in the heat of the moment, man that almost was ugly, but i think gb is ok with letting this cool down a little and since the legend hasn't said anything either way yet.
@BrainDed posted:...and not Mike McCarthy "hired in a minute" fast either.
Oh cmon...McCarthy needed that year off to set up the Sons of the Monongahela Basement Brain Trust to hone his craft and position himself for his next "dream job." It was all part of his plan.
Luckily he had enough time to get lit up and berate high school basketball referees at his stepson's games.
Yeah, that's not gonna leave a mark. If that kid is in a bell tower with a high-powered rifle one day, we will know why.
@pkr_north posted:I really believe the media piling on at this point is meant to be noise to move AR from the division and the conference...I notice alot of shitcago / minn chirping lately on this subject, same with sf and generally NFC teams who would love to see gb knocked off the mountain. annoying to say the least, still can't really believe he won't be on the team this year. just think that eventually cooler heads prevail. in the heat of the moment, man that almost was ugly, but i think gb is ok with letting this cool down a little and since the legend hasn't said anything either way yet.
100%…they will work out a deal or GB will get a kings ransom for Rodgers. Seattle and Wilson were supposedly headed for a split and now they’re fine. If you enjoy drama then this moment is all consuming.
@pkr_north posted:I really believe the media piling on at this point is meant to be noise to move AR from the division and the conference...I notice alot of shitcago / minn chirping lately on this subject, same with sf and generally NFC teams who would love to see gb knocked off the mountain. annoying to say the least, still can't really believe he won't be on the team this year. just think that eventually cooler heads prevail. in the heat of the moment, man that almost was ugly, but i think gb is ok with letting this cool down a little and since the legend hasn't said anything either way yet.
Of course, the media is piling on...the sports landscape sucks right now. NBA and MLB ratings are down, more people watched the NFL draft than a lot of other "more compelling events."
Stoking NFL-related drama is good for clicks.
@Grave Digger posted:100%…they will work out a deal or GB will get a kings ransom for Rodgers. Seattle and Wilson were supposedly headed for a split and now they’re fine. If you enjoy drama then this moment is all consuming.
I saw one suggestion of trading Rodgers for Wilson.
What if we sweetened the pie a little bit by offering his little lady a honorary Alice in Dairyland title for life.
This is all Denver sports radio is talking about. Goodell is probably loving this, making the NFL the #1 topic a full week after the draft.
@BuckPacker posted:What if we sweetened the pie a little bit by offering his little lady a honorary Alice in Dairyland title for life.
Butter sculpture
@CUPackFan posted:This is all Denver sports radio is talking about. Goodell is probably loving this, making the NFL the #1 topic a full week after the draft.
A draft that drew the most viewers ever.
Rodgers wants control, as Brandt said. He played his hand right before the draft, through his agent, thinking that would be the best time for getting/taking control. The Packers didn't flinch. They didn't because they had control before this happened and still do. If he really wanted to get control, he needed to start this public conversation back in late Feb. Now, he's more at the mercy of the Packers than he would have been 2 months ago.
If/When they trade him, he still doesn't get control. So while he'd have another job, it wouldn't be the one he wants.
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I wouldn’t say the sports landscape sucks. The NBA is shaping up to have a bananas postseason and there are literally 6-7 teams that could realistically win the title this year. The Bucks/Nets game Sunday and last night was entertaining as hell.
MLB is MLB, but some of the storylines are compelling. The Padres/Dodgers games were must see TV. The Yankees booing the shit out of and beating the Astros was awesome.
NHL playoffs aren’t far away either.
The NFL is so over the top on coverage, chatter, speculation, over analysis it’s mind numbing. Quite frankly, it’s too much. Just get to the goddamn games already. I don’t care about training camp or preseason or any of that shit.