It’s not
Brent was a douchebag for forcing himself out and Rodgers is now in the same category.
So handing it over to Love will automatically end up badly but giving in to a selfish, arrogant, victim card playing prick is a better solution?
How exactly does Rodgers walk this back to his teammates in the locker room? I’d love to know. He’s basically burned down the franchise, but hey, let’s give him everything he wants and just look the other way.
Good luck with that strategy.
I don’t care what business you operate in but the minute someone tells you they aren’t 100% committed or don’t want to be there is there ever a situation where you cave and roll out the red carpet?
No you don’t. You make the best of a shitty situation. Deal him for at much as you can get. Or let him walk (retire). That’s on him at this point. Time marches on and Rodgers can act like a little child and take the ball and go home if that’s his prerogative.
@artis posted:Many of us have given Rodgers benefit of the doubt, and rightfully so, when the media has geared up and trashed him, and when the Green Bay Packers have slighted him on small issues and not so small issues. We've defended him when the critics said he got MM fired,
I don't know who the WE are with respect to the "We've defended him when the critics said he got MM fired" sentence above because I for one sure as hell didn't DEFEND him ... I APPLAUDED him.
Attributing Mac's long overdue firing to Rodgers machinations is just another example of him having to deal with a lame arse front office (led ultimately by Mark Murphy) for years.
@artis posted:The point you make is where I draw the line with AR. It's easy to defend someone that's looking out for their own interests. But 12 went through this with 4, and publicly stated how bad it stung him and how hard it was to get beyond it. He handled the situation in '07 better than anyone could have expected. Now we're 14 years on and either he's that self absorbed he doesn't realize the full spectrum of damage or he just doesn't care. I refuse to believe he hasn't thoroughly considered all aspects, which would mean he's perfectly willing to let the entire organization go up in flames. It's a shitty thing to do to Love and the fans, and the way the FO has handled it was a shitty thing to do to Love, and the fans.
Many of us have given Rodgers benefit of the doubt, and rightfully so, when the media has geared up and trashed him, and when the Green Bay Packers have slighted him on small issues and not so small issues. We've defended him when the critics said he got MM fired, even though odds are he had influence on that. So they bring in a guy who has to some degree resurrected Rodgers' late stage career. They took out of character steps to go out and get quality FA on defense. Rodgers has done his part, he's made some effort to play the good soldier, and he should get credit for that. But how is using back channels and media moles to get back at your employer any different than Favre calling Millen or orchestrating his way to Minny?
Because Rodgers never jerked the organization around in the first place like Bert did. He did everything asked and the FO started dick swinging. That's the difference.
It's been noted he stated he would use every bit of leverage against the FO. Rodgers didn't put Love in this situation, an inept FO did. Again, Rodgers did not jerk the organization around like Bert did.
Rodgers career was not resurrected. The guy was playing in a McVince offense of "let Aaron handle it". That's coaching. Rodgers numbers and play, other than when he was injured, never suffered. Even when he was injured he put up Rodgers like numbers.
@Tschmack posted:So handing it over to Love will automatically end up badly but giving in to a selfish, arrogant, victim card playing prick is a better solution?
How exactly does Rodgers walk this back to his teammates in the locker room? I’d love to know. He’s basically burned down the franchise, but hey, let’s give him everything he wants and just look the other way.
Good luck with that strategy.
I don’t care what business you operate in but the minute someone tells you they aren’t 100% committed or don’t want to be there is there ever a situation where you cave and roll out the red carpet?
No you don’t. You make the best of a shitty situation. Deal him for at much as you can get. Or let him walk (retire). That’s on him at this point. Time marches on and Rodgers can act like a little child and take the ball and go home if that’s his prerogative.
Yeah, you're in fucking emotional fantasy land at this point.
@Tschmack posted:How exactly does Rodgers walk this back to his teammates in the locker room? I’d love to know. He’s basically burned down the franchise, but hey, let’s give him everything he wants and just look the other way.
Yep. I agree. It reaches far beyond Rodgers and Gute and Murphy. It could mean a quick exit for MLF. And wtf do you say to a guy like Adams? Or Aaron Jones? We can justly criticize mgmt for mistakes, but after this wkend the damage feels well beyond repair, especially if both camps have simply grown tired of the effort. If this were one or two points stuck in his head, there might be a path. But this guy's head keeps tabs on everything, and once he feels slighted, going to the moon and back for him could very well end up fruitless anyway. If it somehow works out, I'll be the first to admit I didn't think it could get done.
@Henry posted:Because Rodgers never jerked the organization around in the first place like Bert did. He did everything asked and the FO started dick swinging. That's the difference.
It's been noted he stated he would use every bit of leverage against the FO. Rodgers didn't put Love in this situation, an inept FO did. Again, Rodgers did not jerk the organization around like Bert did.
Rodgers career was not resurrected. The guy was playing in a McVince offense of "let Aaron handle it". That's coaching. Rodgers numbers and play, other than when he was injured, never suffered. Even when he was injured he put up Rodgers like numbers.
The difference is Favre played his cards one year at a time. Rodgers played close to the vest and firebombed in one swift shot. The place we are in is no different than 2007 in terms of damage inflicted. Most likely this is worse, and Rodgers played his part.
Rodgers could walk into the locker room tomorrow am and 100% of the roster would have his back. Unconditionally.
His replacement was drafted but he was never told. Ask any player in the locker room how AR should take or respond to that.
Rodgers wants a long term commitment because he thinks the players in the locker room can win a SB. He WANTS to be in GB. The players in the locker room know he gives them the best chance of winning a ring.
@artis posted:The difference is Favre played his cards one year at a time. Rodgers played close to the vest and firebombed in one swift shot. The place we are in is no different than 2007 in terms of damage inflicted. Most likely this is worse, and Rodgers played his part.
I don't think anyone is disputing how jacked up this situation is.
Quite simply, Bert was the catalyst for his demise. The triangle of clowns is the catalyst for this shit storm.
I would add Rodgers doing everything they asked of him and being a continued positive locker room presence, unlike Bert, shows he did learn his lessons from his experience. He hasn't shit on Love in the least. Love isn't the issue. It could've been Lock or Kizer if they drafted him. It's what those moves speak to and he isn't even given the common courtesy of a head's up. We know they told him to mind his own business. Stupidest fucking thing I can think of for a guy that wants to win and finish his career in Green Bay. Truly, over the top inept.
@artis posted:Yep. I agree. It reaches far beyond Rodgers and Gute and Murphy. It could mean a quick exit for MLF. And wtf do you say to a guy like Adams? Or Aaron Jones? We can justly criticize mgmt for mistakes, but after this wkend the damage feels well beyond repair, especially if both camps have simply grown tired of the effort. If this were one or two points stuck in his head, there might be a path. But this guy's head keeps tabs on everything, and once he feels slighted, going to the moon and back for him could very well end up fruitless anyway. If it somehow works out, I'll be the first to admit I didn't think it could get done.
How do you think this is a real situation? Those guys know exactly what Rodgers went through more than anyone else.
Chilijon nailed it.
@Tschmack posted:How exactly does Rodgers walk this back to his teammates in the locker room? I’d love to know.
For any teammate whose goal it is to win a Super Bowl in 2021, Rodgers walking back into the locker room will be like Christmas, Hanukkah, New Year's Eve and their birthday all rolled into one.
Not even the biggest management bootlicker in that locker room thinks that the Packers have a shot in hell of winning the SB with Jordan Love or a Teddy Bridgewater at QB in 2021 (or 2022 for that matter).
The only ones wounded by Rodgers' stance are the fans who cannot believe he is challenging their beloved Packers' organization, and causing --- outside of the local press, the organization to be roundly criticized for what has transpired since Gutey's 2020 drafting of Jordan Love.
@PackerHawk posted:Alex Smith is a game manager QB. Always was. Rodgers is a 3X MVP coming off his 3rd MVP season. Moving on from Alex Smith and moving on from Aaron Rodgers are not remotely similar situations no matter what you think you have sitting on the bench.
100% correct but then it circles back around to why did the draft Love in the first place and so eager to escort Rodgers out the door?
@SteveLuke posted:For any teammate whose goal it is to win a Super Bowl in 2021, Rodgers walking back into the locker room will be like Christmas, Hanukkah, New Year's Eve and their birthday all rolled into one.
That's not what Mayo thinks. Oh wait, yes, yes it 100% is.
It was Lambeau's team and he was forced out. Lombardi left pissed off, Starr was fired the week of Christmas, Favre's exit was a crazy sh*t show. This is dejavu all over again.
Aaron Rodgers is fantastic and trading up for Love was one of the dumbest things I have seen the Packers do in my life time and I remember the Hadl trade.
But here is another thought. Rodgers is going to be 38. I was so pissed off on 3rd and goal at the 8 with 2:15 left in the the NFC championship game when our MVP scrambled right and instead of running to the flag he throws an uncatchable ball across his body. If he puts his head down, he might score and if not he gets to the two easily. Now it's 4th and 2. You go for it. You can talk all day about MLF's poor decision and King's two plays, but this one is right there. He's 37 and he's not going to take on 24 year old corner Carlton Davis.
He'll be 38 this year. Brady is not the norm. I don't see Aaron Rodgers playing 5 more years. I see him going somewhere, getting is his ass handed to him and quitting for hollywood or whatever. Look at 2017, 2018 and 2019. He was very good, but not spectacular. It took this really strange revenge motive to fire him back up to MVP level. Whose to say his new found zen doesn't change his inner chi to a less angry competitor.
Are we really that close to a super bowl? We lose at home despite Tampa's abysmal defensive backfield and Brady throwing 3 interceptions? They beat a reeling KC (Reid's situation reminded so much of the 'Philbin' Giants 2012 game) in a pandemic, home field super bowl. I'm not so optimistic. There are some great teams developing.
Gute was dead wrong, I love Rodgers as our QB, but the dam has broke. Trade this guy in early June, maybe you hit the jackpot: get 3 number 1s two number 2s and a D line prospect-use 12's saved money to get a Linebacker-and extend Adams, Alexander, Amos and Z Smith. And turn the page.
Before you get to the question of how Rodgers walks this back in the locker room. You gotta convince yourself someone like Adams had this thought to himself:
”Stop being a bitch man. Business is business. We got the replacement. So STFU. Do your year. Try and win. Then get the fuck gone. It sucks. But management has spoken”
I promise you the locker room is with Rodgers.
But here is another thought. Rodgers is going to be 38. I was so pissed off on 3rd and goal at the 8 with 2:15 left in the the NFC championship game when our MVP scrambled right and instead of running to the flag he throws an uncatchable ball across his body. If he puts his head down, he might score and if not he gets to the two easily. Now it's 4th and 2. You go for it. You can talk all day about MLF's poor decision and King's two plays, but this one is right there. He's 37 and he's not going to take on 24 year old corner Carlton Davis.
He'll be 38 this year. Brady is not the norm. I don't see Aaron Rodgers playing 5 more years. I see him going somewhere, getting is his ass handed to him and quitting for hollywood or whatever. Look at 2017, 2018 and 2019. He was very good, but not spectacular. It took this really strange revenge motive to fire him back up to MVP level. Whose to say his new found zen doesn't change his inner chi to a less angry competitor.
THIS!!!!!!!!!
@Henry posted:That's not what Mayo thinks. Oh wait, yes, yes it 100% is.
Of course it's what he wants, and what Gute and Murphy want to. They're not stupid. And it has to be why they flew out to talk to him in person.
Someday we'll find out what they said and did at those meetings. All we know now is, whatever it was didn't work.
I have to believe they ate crow and tried to make amends (again because they are not stupid) and it just wasn't enough. It seems like his grudges are unshakeable.
@SteveLuke posted:For any teammate whose goal it is to win a Super Bowl in 2021, Rodgers walking back into the locker room will be like Christmas, Hanukkah, New Year's Eve and their birthday all rolled into one.
Not even the biggest management bootlicker in that locker room thinks that the Packers have a shot in hell of winning the SB with Jordan Love or a Teddy Bridgewater at QB in 2021 (or 2022 for that matter).
The only ones wounded by Rodgers' stance are the fans who cannot believe he is challenging their beloved Packers' organization, and causing --- outside of the local press, the organization to be roundly criticized for what has transpired since Gutey's 2020 drafting of Jordan Love.
Operative point being "walking back into the locker room." Everyone in the world knows their best chance to win a ring happens with AR. So while we don't know the exact sources of any of this, it's Aaron Rodgers holding the sword over the Packers, and the guys in that locker room, in all his passive aggressiveness. So it woudn't be Rodgers absence keeping Davante from a chance at a ring?
I get the attitude toward an inept mgmt dept. But at what point do we acknowledge it was all in front of them to take in 2020 DESPITE the fuck up of drafting Jordan Love and not pledging our undying love to the anti-Bert? Do we agree the pieces were in place even though the new mistress didn't even take an active roster spot the entire year? 48 touchdowns and #1 scoring offense with pro bowlers on every unit somehow wasn't enough? Rodgers has covered a ton of warts, but being at the precipice 3 times in 5 years is a lack of legit weapons? Once he played within the scheme, he made the shit look easy. Two, three guys running free at any given time. But they've sold him short and wasted his final years?
All the hard earned good will Rodgers built all these years does deserve some say-in whether Van Pelt is retained, in his opinion of keeping or cutting loose a Jordy or Cobb, in some type of guaranteed compensation longer than 12 months. And while it was a great bet Rodgers would play coy and exercise plausible deniability in all of this, he's now tread into the very place that got him death threats 14 years ago. And whether we believe this is a targeted attack or not, the collateral damage does filter to the roster and Jordan Love himself, including future rejection by potential free agents. That's just a reality.
Rodgers, or Dunn, or whoever dropped this bomb put 12's interests before anyone and everything else. Idgaf how raw a deal he believes they've dealt to him. This was the absolute worst way to play this, unless you're a petty and vindictive child and don't give a damn about anyone but yourself. He went from being the best elixir to avert disaster to creating the disaster of his own volition.
@Pistol GB posted:Of course it's what he wants, and what Gute and Murphy want to. They're not stupid. And it has to be why they flew out to talk to him in person.
Someday we'll find out what they said and did at those meetings. All we know now is, whatever it was didn't work.
I have to believe they ate crow and tried to make amends (again because they are not stupid) and it just wasn't enough. It seems like his grudges are unshakeable.
My guess is that they won't give him what he really wants, which is a long term extension that would allow him to be a Packer until he retires.
@Pistol GB posted:Of course it's what he wants, and what Gute and Murphy want to. They're not stupid. And it has to be why they flew out to talk to him in person.
Someday we'll find out what they said and did at those meetings. All we know now is, whatever it was didn't work.
I have to believe they ate crow and tried to make amends (again because they are not stupid) and it just wasn't enough. It seems like his grudges are unshakeable.
Yeah, I know.
The comment was pointed at fans with a case of the vapors thinking they could just plug in Love and everything will be great.
And no, it's not clear that's what Gunt wants as he continues to piss down his leg.
An organization that caves to the demands of an employee (to fire an organizational leader), even a valuable employee, is a shit organization doomed to fail epically. If the Packers fired Gutenkunst because Favgers demanded it be so, that’s the end.
12 never struck me as a pound of flesh guy, but everyone has their limits.
Gunt obviously did or didn’t do a myriad of things over the last 3 years to sour and not mend the relationship.
The shit finally hit the fan, so we will see if they are capable of mending fences.
My impression...it’s fixable but they have not engaged in nearly enough sucking yet. We will get closer once their jaws start cramping.
Oh there are plenty of reasons to fire Gunt and Murphy. It’s never “just one thing” in these situations.
Let’s also remember, in addition to Bert being a serial twat, 12 had already been with the team 3 years...they KNEW he had the skills to be a starter based on him torching the defense in practice.
Gunt has zero evidence at this point to be that confident in Nub.
I may be wrong, but I think Gunt didnt believe 12 had an MVP season in him. He rolled the dice and lost.
@Music City posted:An organization that caves to the demands of an employee (to fire an organizational leader), even a valuable employee, is a shit organization doomed to fail epically. If the Packers fired Gutenkunst because Favgers demanded it be so, that’s the end.
Yeah, not a ham and egger operation.
"Why can't the gubmint balance their checkbook like me".
Murphy is worthless and Gunt is a below average GM at best. I met Murphy in person 2 years ago. He was just as dumb in person as he has been trying to lead the organization. Rodgers is by far the smartest one in the room and he knows it. I don’t blame Rodgers for wanting out from a dysfunctional organization with an incompetent leader.
Point of order---Our government doesn't have a checkbook---it has a credit card. I'm old enough not to care anymore. 
Well Hello Gents,
Been a long, long time since last I made a post here. But given the current events I am compelled to do so. I have read only the last two pages of comments and some very good insight by all there. YA, I agree. AR has only himself to blame on the last pass play. Boris is right too. We all need to calm down a bit. I see there is barely any reference to AR on MJS Sports page today. I thought this might be somewhat telling that some in the local media are tired of giving credibility to some of the uncharacteristic BS seeping out from AR's direction.
So, this past season was certainly a great one even it did fall 8 yards short.
I made it a point to tune into some of AR's last interviews on the PM Show. He said he had enjoyed this season like none other in a long time. He was healthy. Had built great relationships with teammates and staff. Had fun.
In his post-loss interview AR made no mention about being upset or using any " big agenda" or seeking "leverage" going into his post-season meetings. All "will be the same" as it has always has been at the end of each season. And then he would leave GB and enjoy his off-season break as usual and get geared up to come back for next season. He maintained that he enjoyed his time on the PM Show where he could be "honest" and sincere about his feelings and how the season went and how his life is going. On a show where he did not have to worry about his comments getting misconstrued and twisted only to get more clicks for the national media cash registers.
A couple weeks ago I went back and re-listened to quotes from a few of these interviews, 2-3 times. Afterwards, I had a bit of concern about him. It seemed as though he's a bit nonchalant about football and his future in it. I thought several times, is he losing his "edge"? Next season is he gonna be the same AR that we've cheered for the last 13 years? Is his infatuation with Hollywood and Jeopardy beginning to tug at his focus. (Just like YATittle mentioned above.)
Now from we find out, it was all a lie on the PM Show. A big LIE. What he told PM and AJ was not true. And they either went along with it or were misled too.
All right AR, you got a problem with the FO, then say it already. But don't lie about it and tell us "it's a beautiful mystery" and your happy with it all. He lied to PM and AJ, the listeners and us Packers fans. But yet he still loves the Packers fans and the Packers organization. Which is it?
I think he is heading down Jackass Alley just like his predecessor, whom I give little no or credence to anymore. The Packers drafted Love in hopes he can carry on the great traditions of HOF QBs. That's their job! And he wants BG gone... come on AR, are you trying to outsmart yourself and us? That ain't happening and whoever put you to that idea should be fired by you.
Yes. The FO made an error in not tipping off AR. All three of them messed up. And MM had to know Love was getting picked too. Bob Harlan said that TT came to him moments before GB tabbed AR and said he was about to pick him and that it would cause a lot of PR issues. Harlan agreed to make the pick. Didn't say "Ted, you better call the other guy to check with him". So, I am fairly confident BG told MM of their plans became clearer as time got ticked down on their pick. Most likely, in all the hub-bub, they forgot to give AR a courtesy call. And I think they should have. But, there are greater tragedies in life. We had a relatively new GM and a rookie HC and they goofed up. Move on AR. You still got enough fame and fortune or at least the "Mirror Mirror on the Wall" should tell you that.
His vengeful intentions turned the biggest NFL off-season day in GB into a shambles for Packers fans all over the country. He sure looked all torn up about it at the Derby from the pics I saw... And BTW, the guy seems to be looking more and more rough these days. Some of those videos on the PM show, he appeared drawn out and old.
Eric Stokes the #1 choice was overshadowed and under-welcomed. What a shame for that young man. His picture should be front page news. Not this time. Sad.
AR's actions have probably shaken his stature with some of his teammates. Many who had re-upped, restructured and reduced their salaries to remain with the team. I see Bakhtiari was at the Derby too. I assume he probably knows everything and then some. So, what's he gonna do if AR leaves? Demand a trade also? Stay and taint an already fractured locker room? What a mess!
AR's alleged pettiness and desire for revenge is affecting many, many others than just himself. When some of these trade rumors began we heard that many teams were involved in making offers to the Packers. Now, we are told that in truth there were not many at all. Just the Rams and 49ers. Apparently late were the Broncos too. (please NO, not here). I am wondering what other teams are thinking about AR now? Who knows?
Anyways, I could say a lot more. But I like the guy and I am trying to stay in his corner. But I am Packers fan first. And I will withhold full judgment on this until we hear from him.
I was all hot and bothered by it on yesterday. However, today it's old news and what is gonna happen is gonna happen. My guess is they will smooth over things and all will be better in GB. Aaron Rodgers will have to make good with some of his teammates and co-workers and he will play and win another SB for the Packers, but he will realize in Green Bay:
"It's about the G and not about the Me"
Go Packers!
@Boris posted:I think some of you are reading a little too deeply into the "tea leaves"
Relax a little bit & at some point Rodgers will be in front of a mic & camera. He WILL have to answer these questions at SOME POINT (unless he gets traded to Denver after June 1)
Agent Dunn can "leak" ANY bullshit he wants to & Rodgers will just sit around tight lipped until he can't be tight-lipped any longer....and THAT folks is when we will get to the bottom of this. Until then....relax a little bit. Much ado about nothing for now.
I agree.
@artis posted:Operative point being "walking back into the locker room." Everyone in the world knows their best chance to win a ring happens with AR. So while we don't know the exact sources of any of this, it's Aaron Rodgers holding the sword over the Packers, and the guys in that locker room, in all his passive aggressiveness. So it woudn't be Rodgers absence keeping Davante from a chance at a ring?
This is a convenient argument of when/when not to blame Rodgers by leaving out half the equation. "Hey Aaron, we're going to take a giant shit on you by inflaming a situation that could've been avoided with common courtesy but you need to just shut up and play".
I would bury the motherfucker who inferred that to me in my average Joe life. I would pound the fucker to paste.
I get the attitude toward an inept mgmt dept. But at what point do we acknowledge it was all in front of them to take in 2020 DESPITE the fuck up of drafting Jordan Love and not pledging our undying love to the anti-Bert? Do we agree the pieces were in place even though the new mistress didn't even take an active roster spot the entire year? 48 touchdowns and #1 scoring offense with pro bowlers on every unit somehow wasn't enough? Rodgers has covered a ton of warts, but being at the precipice 3 times in 5 years is a lack of legit weapons? Once he played within the scheme, he made the shit look easy. Two, three guys running free at any given time. But they've sold him short and wasted his final years?1) I'm not even sure what you're driving at with the anti-Bert bit but your coming off like Tschmack. Not only that, the NFCC is completely irrelevant to the FO being completely fucking inept at managing a situation that exploded. Has nothing to do with what happened on the field. To that point:
2) Nobody in this forum is talking about the offensive weapons bit the media spews.
3) No, they didn't have the pieces in place, primarily defense, because they didn't win it. I don't care what/who/when/potato mistakes were made. Tom Brady beat them with 3 INTs under his belt because he had a balanced team behind him.
All the hard earned good will Rodgers built all these years does deserve some say-in whether Van Pelt is retained, in his opinion of keeping or cutting loose a Jordy or Cobb, in some type of guaranteed compensation longer than 12 months. And while it was a great bet Rodgers would play coy and exercise plausible deniability in all of this, he's now tread into the very place that got him death threats 14 years ago. And whether we believe this is a targeted attack or not, the collateral damage does filter to the roster and Jordan Love himself, including future rejection by potential free agents. That's just a reality.Rabbit hole, head first.
Rodgers, or Dunn, or whoever dropped this bomb put 12's interests before anyone and everything else. Idgaf how raw a deal he believes they've dealt to him. This was the absolute worst way to play this, unless you're a petty and vindictive child and don't give a damn about anyone but yourself. He went from being the best elixir to avert disaster to creating the disaster of his own volition.It would just be easier for you to say it's all Rodgers fault, including traumatizing Jordan Love and the Packers organization for the next generation. Way over the top.
Rodgers is done in Green Bay. They should trade him this year. It wouldn't matter if he left after delivering a fruit basket to every fan and making a public statement he was to blame for everything including driving Jordan Love into therapy. Any other fan or organization would see this for what it is, a colossal fucking failure on the FO.
@Blair Kiel posted:Point of order---Our government doesn't have a checkbook---it has a credit card. I'm old enough not to care anymore.
Even better...a printing press
@Chongo posted:Let’s also remember, in addition to Bert being a serial twat, 12 had already been with the team 3 years...they KNEW he had the skills to be a starter based on him torching the defense in practice.
Gunt has zero evidence at this point to be that confident in Nub.
I may be wrong, but I think Gunt didnt believe 12 had an MVP season in him. He rolled the dice and lost.
November 2007. GB @ Dallas. Favre totally shits the bed. Throws 2 picks. GB falls behind fast. Favre gets hurt.
Rodgers comes in. Plays great. I’ll always be convinced Favre did that on his own to put Rodgers in a shit spot with hopes he’d fail ugly. Put the AR is next story to rest.
Turns out that was the end of Favre in GB. They just needed him to pull another post season dick move. He obliged.
@13X posted:Murphy is worthless and Gunt is a below average GM at best. I met Murphy in person 2 years ago. He was just as dumb in person as he has been trying to lead the organization. Rodgers is by far the smartest one in the room and he knows it. I don’t blame Rodgers for wanting out from a dysfunctional organization with an incompetent leader.
My opinion of Murphy was solidified when he was dead set on hiring Jughead Fitzgerald.
@Ghost of Lambeau posted:So I am confused. Isn't 'holding out of camp' a sub-set of 'won't play if Gutekunst is still here'? Why would they be mentioned separately?
Editor holds him to a prescribed word count?
@Blair Kiel posted:Point of order---Our government doesn't have a checkbook---it has a credit card. I'm old enough not to care anymore.
Point of order -- They print their own fucking money.
This is a convenient argument of when/when not to blame Rodgers by leaving out half the equation. "Hey Aaron, we're going to take a giant shit on you by inflaming a situation that could've been avoided with common courtesy but you need to just shut up and play".
Point being, if it was indeed AR or his camp that waited until draft day to spring this on the world, the intended target(s) will hardly be the only ones to deal with the effects. We can materially agree this is different from Bert, but the net result is comprised of holding people hostage and AR matching what he sees as the pettiness of the front office. Playing this game of "it didn't come from my mouth" tells me he holds little regard for the tightness in the locker room and the relationships he's cultivated, not to mention all us butthurt fans who somehow believed AR wouldn't diva the end of his time and piss on the many years of support like his predecessor. We could invert your logic and say the same about Rodgers and what he expects from other people around the situation. The master of the high road decided to copy the assinine behaviors of the FO and everyone's supposed to shut up and take it, because it wasn't "intended" to affect you. The machinations are different from Brett, but it still revolves around one guy and some personal beef he has.
Nobody in this forum is talking about the offensive weapons bit the media spews.
It was talked about ad nauseam on this forum all last season. The wr corps is putrid after Adams. MVS sucks, etc.
No, they didn't have the pieces in place, primarily defense, because they didn't win it. I don't care what/who/when/potato mistakes were made. Tom Brady beat them with 3 INTs under his belt because he had a balanced team behind him.
Lobbying to make things right with Rodgers is only important due to the consensus that 2021 offers one of the best opportunities to win a ring. So if all the pieces aren't there, they're still only a few tweaks away as opposed to total suck. Love was inactive all year and was of little consequence in terms of taking up the roster spot that would have been the final piece to the puzzle. If you want to pay AR so you can make a SB run, you're acknowledging that most of the pieces are in place.
Rabbit hole, head first.
So in your estimation, the only hostages here are Gute and Murphy? Do 12's teammates not have a vested stake in how this shakes out? If he walks away, are they to feel some type of loyalty to him because he stuck it to the man?
It would just be easier for you to say it's all Rodgers fault, including traumatizing Jordan Love and the Packers organization for the next generation. Way over the top.
I won't say it's all Rodgers fault because I don't believe that. It isn't traumatizing. It's willingly putting Love, inadvertently or not, into the same position or worse in the wake of the AR legacy. Was that AR's intent? Most likely not. It wasn't Favre's intent either, when he retired and wanted back in. But it still affected Rodgers and we all know that. Handling a highly volatile situation the right way, having been through what he did, and turning around 14 years later to create the same mine field for the young guy tells me he couldn't care less if everything crumbles in his absence. Of all people, Rodgers knows what a situation beyond your control can do and he went and did it anyway.
I'm not siding with mgmt, Henry. I understand they've been inept in the handling of this. My fear is the possibility that it's damaged beyond repair, that we must watch a second HOF qb leave town in such a shitty way. The fact that it's gone this far speaks to the concern out there that the lesson of 2007 wasn't learned by these yahoos. It SHOULD have been taken care of long ago, but that doesn't change the fact that with all his leadership qualities Rodgers chose to try to beat them at their own game of backhanded pettiness. Did he not serve Gute/Murphy some major crow by having a season for the ages? He seems to revel in that slow, insidious torture to exact his vindication. Why does he seem so hell bent on torching all of it?
I hope BOTH sides find some way to suck it up and make a serious push for the Lombardi.
@ChilliJon posted:November 2007. GB @ Dallas. Favre totally shits the bed. Throws 2 picks. GB falls behind fast. Favre gets hurt.
Rodgers comes in. Plays great. I’ll always be convinced Favre did that on his own to put Rodgers in a shit spot with hopes he’d fail ugly. Put the AR is next story to rest.
Turns out that was the end of Favre in GB. They just needed him to pull another post season dick move. He obliged.
I was at that game.
Favre: "OWWW, I'M HURT!" - Every time they went down to Dallas with Favre he was such a pussy.
Rodgers made it a game after the old silverfox-gunslinger put them in a huge hole. Cowboys fans sitting around me were freaking out.
I'll never forget it.
If Rodgers doesn't play for us anymore maybe this guy can be our starting QB.
At this point it doesn’t matter how or why the rift happened. In Rodgers, we’re talking about a guy that is stubborn and easily offended. Hell, he shut out most of his immediate family over the years. I think he’s made up his mind that he is done in GB. That likely won’t change.
I say fine. Fuck him. This is a business and 12 is a commodity. Ship him down the road when it’s best for the franchise (post June 2nd) and get as much for him as you possibly can.
I think there’s an element of forgiveness on some level - especially to those closest to Rodgers. Guys like Davante and Bak that have been around the block and truly understand how ruthless the NFL is. To them, it’s a means to an end - get Rodgers back at any cost so they can get a ring in the short term. Or at least try to v Jordan Love who will be in full development mode.
The problem is a lot of the newer guys have no loyalty to or history with Rodgers and there is no way you can suggest they will all accept him back unconditionally. I mean, for those that played team sports on any level there are a few things that never slide. Yes, you can be an arrogant, self absorbed prick, but the minute you put yourself above the team and even threaten to quit on your teammates I can guaran fucking T you that the majority won’t just automatically back that guy. Maybe it’s not obvious in what they say, but instead it’s in the little things that make a huge difference. The incremental effort that often decides who wins a play or a quarter or a game. If he’s not totally committed to them, why should they be to him? That’s reality.
People seem to be making this into a player v management squabble but I think that’s missing the point. It’s obvious both the FO and Rodgers could have handled things much better. But the NFL is a different animal. Teams cut players all the time and throw them in the trash can. Lying and cheating and coercion is commonplace in front offices. Player behavior - including criminal acts, are often celebrated or downplayed. Let’s face it - we talk about fans celebrating and propping up some of these guys. Why? If you have a child would you teach them to act like some of these people (Rodgers included)?
I’ll admit - I got suckered into thinking Rodgers was different than Favre. I mean, he droned on and on about how shitty that was and now he’s turning the tables and basically doing the exact same thing to Jordan Love. Whatever dude.