@Grave Digger posted:Rodgers is smart enough to have learned from the Favre disaster.
Greta Van Susteren is planning a comeback.
@GreenNgoldBlood posted:I do not blame Arodg one damn bit for being pissed off. Ever since Ron Wolf retired, this organization from the GM level has been run terribly. This is the god damn 3x MVP, and not one time have you given him a "go for it" year, you are totally passive in FA, and last year you drafted Jordan f'n Love. Had they been more active in FA all these years, I'd guarantee you he wouldn't feel this way. But to NOT use FA the way they should have been is derelict of duties and says "I don't even want to make this team better".
it’s time to stop the “they haven’t gone all in or given him squat.”
they signed 3 big time free agents two years ago. They signed the best 3 players at their positions this year. they led the league in points per game this year. There is no rookie from last years draft that would have made them better offensively last year.
12 is more likely to have Greta Van Fleet be his mouthpiece
@Pakrz posted:No clue if any of this stuff is true, but if it is, this is the ideal time to trade 12 I think.
He is coming off the MVP season and will be 38 years old this year. There’s only so much football life in a guy.
I’d take the #3 pick plus other picks/players and start the JL world tour.
Something doesn't sound right about whiners offering #3 overall plus other stuff...Gutey would have jumped all over that.
The entire point of Drafting Love was "Rodgers last couple seasons were not at his 2008-2016 level, and his contract has a very friendly out at the end of the 21-22 season". We like Love, he's only 21 years old on Draft Day, we can let him sit for 2 years, move AR at/around the 2022 draft, get a haul of picks to help the transition to Love, and get out of a MASSIVE contract. That was the obvious plan.
Didn't preclude from letting AR play out the contract necessarily, but given the timing you'd have to give Love a new deal, it was not very feasible to envision AR playing the 3rd or 4th year of the deal. Similarly, you could move him now, but man you'd be throwing away a season for all intents and purposes and eating dead cap is not in GB's typical M.O.
So, this whole "planned to trade him" THIS YEAR? 100% bullshit. If anyone in GB's front office seriously said the plan (AND FREAKING TOLD HIM???!?!?) entering the off season was "yup, we'll trade you, eat $40M in dead space and trot out a guy that didn't dress a snap last year", they should be fired and then placed in a SpaceX rocket and shot in to the sun. Which is why that didn't happen. No one is that dumb. That is clearly a crap story planted by ARs team with an idiot in Wingo. Maybe after all this they will trade him now. But there's NO WAY they went into the off season planning to trade him.
Which also makes me believe that the whole positioning from GB of "we offered an extension or restructure" isn't likely close to the entire story. I'd guess whatever changes GB discussed it still was very clear that the easy out for GB was after this season where they'd likely trade him to some loser franchise drafting in the top 5 of 2022.
Maybe this is all blown out of proportion. Doesn't feel like it, but may be!
Maybe they will all kiss and make up? Without a legit new contract that doesn't leave AR hanging out to dry in 1 season, I'd be shocked.
Either way, I don't believe that this is BS just to drive clicks or interest in the draft. It seems pretty clear there is a rift. How big of a rift is the question.
I think best case scenario (for me as a fan) is a legit new contract that gives AR more than 1 year of protection and probably a no trade clause.
Maybe GB FO decides best case is just eat the dead space and try and load up on picks this and next year? What's the likelihood a 38/39 year old AR has that season again? Maybe you sacrifice one season which already has a tough cap number anyway, and hope between picks and Love you are primed in 2022?
I find it hard to believe that you go in to 2021-22 with no changes to AR contract and his playing for GB. Maybe he does and is pissed? But I would be surprised. And I could definitely see him see him sit out/retire vs play given existing conditions.
@PA green & gold posted:There is no rookie from last years draft that would have made them better offensively last year.
Defense.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:1. Without knowing what the extension offer was, we don't have enough information to know if the Packers gave a legit extension offer or if they still preserved options to cut him with very little cap pain in a year or two.
2. The leaks are very likely coming from the Packers front office. There is no way the Rodgers' camp would leak this as it is designed to make Rodgers look as bad as possible.
3. The MLF "kick the FG" decision could be playing into this as well.
4. If these reports are true, the Packers front office really screwed this up badly. As of now, you either have to give him the extension he wants or trade him. If not, every post-game press conference in 2021 is going to be agonizing. By waiting this long, the front office removed a bunch of potential bidders (Rams, etc.) from the auction.
Rodgers camp leaked this on draft day specifically to fuck with the plans. He knows what he’s doing. He’s trying to force their hand.
Or maybe Russ Balls really isn't a great negotiator
@Chongo posted:Something doesn't sound right about whiners offering #3 overall plus other stuff...Gutey would have jumped all over that.
Well, it was kinda vague, wasn't it? No 3, some players and some picks doesn't say a whole lot.
@GreenNgoldBlood posted:I do not blame Arodg one damn bit for being pissed off. Ever since Ron Wolf retired, this organization from the GM level has been run terribly. This is the god damn 3x MVP, and not one time have you given him a "go for it" year, you are totally passive in FA, and last year you drafted Jordan f'n Love. Had they been more active in FA all these years, I'd guarantee you he wouldn't feel this way. But to NOT use FA the way they should have been is derelict of duties and says "I don't even want to make this team better".
You're going to suck once Love is QB anyway that is a FACT. So they should have loaded up the team for a few years and rolled with it. Who cares about future salary implications when Love is QB, they will suck anyway. Take a few years of high draft picks and reset.
Rooting for this incompetent franchise has been really tough ever since Ron Wolf left. They are(in their own opinions) always the smartest men in the room. far from it.
What other FACTS can you share with us?
Jed has found Twitter today....https://mobile.twitter.com/JedYork/status/1387882555756531715?s=09
Those "Miles" stand for ..
1 fields, 5 lance, 10 mac jones, 12 aaron Rodgers, 16 lawremce, 1 wilson
IF a trade happens it wont be SF. Yes the 3 is nice, BUT as I recall SF has no first round pick in 22 or 23. To trade AR12 IMHO would take at least 3 number ones plus other assets.
Maybe this is all about his fiance not wanting to live in GB?
@Henry posted:For one, you're a peanut gallery clown.
You're just a clown.
My Governor was just on the news and said a sentence including "...the height of ridiculosity..." and I couldn't wait to fire off an email to him congratulating him on coining a new word. Then quickly checked Google to make sure. And wrong.
https://www.merriam-webster.co...tionary/ridiculosity
Also, need an update here on x4, got the red underline on it.
All of which is to say, this is the height of ridiculosity.
The only time players are happy is when they sign their contract, and even then they think the FO screwed them/undervalued them/etc. Every draft has your potential replacement.
Maybe its a story that grew legs or maybe there is truth to it, but in the end 
Having spent ten years in management, I learned early on that so little is really about numbers. Relationships with agents and players, especially star players, matter. Aaron needed, and needs, to be managed with care. It is what teams do with superstars; it's reality.
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) April 29, 2021
My thoughts on Aaron Rodgers/Packers: pic.twitter.com/jPlF3QOJNt
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) April 29, 2021
@DurangoDoug posted:IF a trade happens it wont be SF. Yes the 3 is nice, BUT as I recall SF has no first round pick in 22 or 23. To trade AR12 IMHO would take at least 3 number ones plus other assets.
Maybe this is all about his fiance not wanting to live in GB?
Exactly. The #3 pick only has a lot of value if you really really love one of the QBs in this draft and you really need one. Packers don't so that pick has limited value. And like you said, with no firsts in 2022 or 2023, no chance this trade happens.
Denver and Oakland make sense. But I'm no holding my breath. I think this year plays out with both sides unhappy then Rodgers is traded in the offseason and the rebuild begins (a year earlier than I expected).
Shit just give the man another receiver that a) has athletic ability and b) can make simple reads at the line and run the correct route
The final things I'll say until we see a resolution - because we're all guessing to an extent here...
If GB really wanted to have AR around for more than a year and didn't immediately have good faith conversation about restructure/extension like the day after the TB game after the season he had? Then Gute/Murphy/MLF really effed this up badly. You don't have to make him GM, but good god man, you have to placate your stars a bit and make them feel loved and special.
If GB really did have a good faith conversation about a new deal and AR is throwing a tantrum tonight only because he's still pissed about Jordan Love and waiting to turn the screws on GB hours before the draft because he's that childish? Then eff him. As much as I love watching him and want him to be a Packer forever, if GB tried making the contract right and committing to him and he's being this petty about Love, then grow up man.
Not sure which is more accurate. Not sure they aren't both to an extent.
But, why can Brady and Manning leave NE/Indy without it getting nearly this dramatic and in GB it's happened with last 2 guys?
@Chongo posted:My thoughts on Aaron Rodgers/Packers: pic.twitter.com/jPlF3QOJNt
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) April 29, 2021
Yeah, I'm pretty much full blown over this FO setup and the clowns in it.
@DurangoDoug posted:IF a trade happens it wont be SF. Yes the 3 is nice, BUT as I recall SF has no first round pick in 22 or 23. To trade AR12 IMHO would take at least 3 number ones plus other assets.
Maybe this is all about his fiance not wanting to live in GB?
Mike Lombardi was NFL Radio talking about it ....said it was all on Murphy. Said there is no way that you can let Dak Prescott make 7 M a year more than the league MVP. Said everyone in the league knows that Murphy is making all the decisions and hopes that Murphy hasn't conned himself into believing that the last 2 years success was all because of LaFleur & his scheme.
Murphy has given Russ Balls the checkbook...Packer board needs to tell Murphy this Trifecta of Fuck-Fuck structure needs to go.
@Timpranillo posted:.But, why can Brady and Manning leave NE/Indy without it getting nearly this dramatic and in GB it's happened with last 2 guys?
The NFL needed drama to get people to tune in tonight.
You had that long post explaining how the Packers couldn't move on from Rodgers until 22, due to cap implications -- right after Love was drafted.
Packer FO knows it &:Rodgers knows it.
I am laughing at the timing of this "dust up"😆
@FLPACKER posted:Mike Lombardi was NFL Radio talking about it ....said it was all on Murphy. Said there is no way that you can let Dak Prescott make 7 M a year more than the league MVP. Said everyone in the league knows that Murphy is making all the decisions and hopes that Murphy hasn't conned himself into believing that the last 2 years success was all because of LaFleur & his scheme.
For fuck sakes.
@Boris posted:The NFL needed drama to get people to tune in tonight.
You had that long post explaining how the Packers couldn't move on from Rodgers until 22, due to cap implications -- right after Love was drafted.
Packer FO knows it &:Rodgers knows it.
I am laughing at the timing of this "dust up"😆
Yup, and it's not realistic to think they can move on this off season. At least without absolutely setting the 21-22 season and cap on fire.
But I don't think this is a show out on to drive attention or clicks. That would be WWE levels of trolling its fanbase, I'm skeptical to think the NFL would or could pull that off.
@Timpranillo posted:If GB really did have a good faith conversation about a new deal
They did have a conversation right after the season, Rodgers mentioned it on Pat McAfee show- he said they do it every year. The challenge for GB on this one is that his agent needs to get an MVP-level contract ... including the new TV money...but the new TV money doesn't bump the cap until 2022 and the exact amount is not yet known.
Don't think we'll hear much useful during the draft, but the Kentucky Derby should be interesting tomorrow, usually a couple of team mates join him.
As far as horses, these 3 seem fitting:
Rock Your World, King Fury and Highly Motivated
There's a solution to all of this that I think would go a LONG way towards mending the fence and none of it is asking too much...1. Give him a blank check and tell him to fill in the number 2. Take a WR in the first round tonight and in round 2 as well if necessary and 3. This may be the most important...Trade Jordan Love for a day 3 pick. You can EASILY get a QB as talented or more talented than him in the future. Easy peasey all of it is.
Dude, I have a problem with the Jordan Love pick but you sure the fuck aren't going to trade him for a day 3 pick. WTF.
In fact, your whole post. WTF.
YES! The one thing this offense is missing is 3 rookie WR! MAKE IT HAPPEN!
@Henry posted:Dude, I have a problem with the Jordan Love pick but you sure the fuck aren't going to trade him for a day 3 pick. WTF.
In fact, your whole post. WTF.
Maybe he meant the Niners #3 overall pick?
My favorite move would be if GB traded him to SF, grabbed Kyle Pitts, and then took Elijah Moore at 29. Everyone complaining for years about not giving him 1st round targets and the moment he’s gone they draft two! 🤣🤣
@Henry posted:Dude, I have a problem with the Jordan Love pick but you sure the fuck aren't going to trade him for a day 3 pick. WTF.
In fact, your whole post. WTF.
The Packers FO is as incompetent as can be. They can't get out of their own way...it started with Ted and has carried over to Gutey. You know how Gutey is lying?? His lips are moving. B8ggest lie he has told the fanbase and media when he was hired " we want to be in on every conversation" with regards to free agency. Yeah, sure okay Gutey. And now you wonder why you have this situation?? Look no further than your lack of FA involvement...and spare me the "Zadarius, Turner, Amos etc" Bs. You had a disgruntled QB as soon as the season ended, that was obvious, so what did you do in FA?? *crickets* No Gutey you fucking moron...re signing your own guys doesn't count as being active in FA.
All those good WR's available this year and you didn't sniff a single one. Don't think Arodg wouldn't have appreciated Kenny Golloday to throw to?? Oh that's right though "we want to be in on every conversation" Lying POS.
Jesus you’re way too wound up about this.
@Boris posted:Jed has found Twitter today....https://mobile.twitter.com/JedYork/status/1387882555756531715?s=09
Those "Miles" stand for ..
1 fields, 5 lance, 10 mac jones, 12 aaron Rodgers, 16 lawremce, 1 wilson
That MOFO is in way too good of a mood. I mean, he is in a "just acquired the greatest QB ever" kind of mood.
Trade or no trade....there can no no denying that things are not well in GB. Not sure how this works out but fences need to be mended.
Good Luck
@GreenNgoldBlood posted:There's a solution to all of this that I think would go a LONG way towards mending the fence and none of it is asking too much...1. Give him a blank check and tell him to fill in the number 2. Take a WR in the first round tonight and in round 2 as well if necessary and 3. This may be the most important...Trade Jordan Love for a day 3 pick. You can EASILY get a QB as talented or more talented than him in the future. Easy peasey all of it is.
So dumb!
@GreenNgoldBlood posted:There's a solution to all of this that I think would go a LONG way towards mending the fence and none of it is asking too much...1. Give him a blank check and tell him to fill in the number 2. Take a WR in the first round tonight and in round 2 as well if necessary and 3. This may be the most important...Trade Jordan Love for a day 3 pick. You can EASILY get a QB as talented or more talented than him in the future. Easy peasey all of it is.
That's a clown take, bro.