So Rodgers had a great year last year. Maybe the drop off becomes more apparent this year. Then Gutey's bet won't look so stupid.
What's the drop off from an MVP year to justify the bullshit Gunt has been running for a couple of years?
Starting to feel real bad for MLF.
Inherits a team that had been allowed to flounder for years under the previous coach.
Gets saddled with the previous head coach's Defensive Coordinator because the front office did not want to pay out the remaining years of Pettine's contract after just 1 season in Green Bay.
Identifies a top flight STs coach in Rizzie and the front office says nope, time to go cheap and gets stuck with Mennenga.
Has to fire both Pettine and Mennenga after 2 seasons even though his O is so good the team goes 26-6.
Invests a ton of time, energy, and good will in getting Rodgers back into MVP form and now has to deal with the shit storm Gutey created.
Sad that we have a top-flight coach with some legitimate talent and the front office seems hell bent on doing stupid things to screw it up.
@Henry posted:What's the drop off from an MVP year to justify the bullshit Gunt has been running for a couple of years?
I love Rodgers and he is one of my favorite players of all time. But the fact is that he is 37, he as hurt in 2017 and did not look like himself in 2018 (probaby more to do with MM) and 2019 had "some" trouble buying into MLF's system. His mobility and speed is noticeably slower and he makes a ton of his great and most memorable plays by extending the play. I can't blame GM for keeping an eye on the future while still trying to win every season, that is their job. A decent backup in this league can cost ridiculous $$ and drafting one who could eventually be your starter isn't a ridiculous idea. To be on the record, I didn't and still don't like the move to draft Love, butI understand why he did it.
I still fail to understand all this "communication" talk. I really doubt Ted Thompson was a communicative guy.
What? No TT was a very communicative guy when it came to his job of being a GENERAL MANAGER. I've already referenced this multiple times but go look at the link about 2005 and drafting Rodgers.
Go look at the Brandt's youtube clip ever so gracefully saying the FO fucked up and deal with big egos is part of the job.
I also understand the intent behind drafting Love but Gunt actively used resources to go get the guy. If Love was there at 29, great, totally get it even though he's a second round talent with all his question marks.
When you have a GM actively looking at QBs, and not guys considered mid-rounders or development guys, since he walked in the door don't you think it would be pretty easy to come to a misunderstanding?
"Hey Aaron, just wanted to touch base with you to let you know some of the thinking behind some of the player moves. We like to keep Ron Wolf's philosophy, blah blah blah". Basically, "he we aren't trying to replace you while your still playing HOF level football and have done everything we asked you to. Including literally telling a HOF, super competitive, team leader to mind your own business.
Hate to tell you this kids, but just like saying "I can balance my checkbook why can't the gubmint", you can't tell a guy like Rodgers to "shut up and play".
Rodgers has juice regardless of contracts or any other bullshit and to treat him like some scamp might be the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. He doesn't have to be making personnel decisions but you could grant him a little fucking courtesy. Much like that tweet about Arians talking with Tommy. Why? Because Brady wants to win. Pretty sure Rodgers wants to win too.
"Oh, I maybe shoulda oughta not been a moron".
Like I said, poor MLF.
Oops, I didn't see the Watch on YouTube! Must be time to shut'er down for the night.
Ari Fleischer has an enormous erection right now.
Feel bad? Why? These people chose to coach, or GM, or play QB. They could all walk away from their jobs tomorrow and be in good shape.
If you want to feel bad, I’d start with those in the military that serve their country and get shit on once the music stops. Or the first responders or medical professionals on the front lines dealing with COVID19.
Trying to glean any life lessons from idots like Murphy or Gute or Ball or a star player like Rodgers is good stuff. The ugly truth is they are all mostly full of shit and don’t deserve half the attention we are giving them. Rodgers demanding they fire Gute. I don’t think so. Not unless you take Murphy and Russ Ball because it’s a package deal of suck. As for you Mr. Rodgers, I hope you get what you want and end up in a shit hole situation like Brent did with the Jets.
My interest in following pro football has diminished year after year and its selfish and petty antics like what we are seeing in real time with these folks that makes me want to run for the door even faster.
Thank God my two kids play HS sports and keep me entertained. I’d much rather spend my time watching them and their teammates work and develop and compete than feeling sorry for these assclowns that honestly don’t care about anyone but themselves.
Murphy is currently thumbing through his management books to see how to handle this situation. There's a whole chapter entitled "You Just Shit Out a Mushroom Cloud: What Happens Next When Your Three Silos Go Tits Up"
@Tavis Smiley posted:Ari Fleischer has an enormous erection right now.
I think I missed something. Explain please?
It's become increasingly apparent to me.....
Montana was pissed off when Young was behind him.
Brady was pissed off when (Insert any QB) was behind him
Favre was pissed off when Rodgers was behind him.
Rodgers is pissed now that Love is behind him.
In all cases, these guys are pissed off because THEY KNOW THE GUY BEHIND HIM CAN PLAY!
Pretty much my final thought on this bullshit drama
@Chongo posted:Murphy is currently thumbing through his management books to see how to handle this situation. There's a whole chapter entitled "You Just Shit Out a Mushroom Cloud: What Happens Next When Your Three Silos Go Tits Up"
"Snow Tubing Through Complete Structural Disaster"
Gunt's business mentor
@Boris posted:It's become increasingly apparent to me.....
Montana was pissed off when Young was behind him.
Brady was pissed off when (Insert any QB) was behind him
Favre was pissed off when Rodgers was behind him.
Rodgers is pissed now that Love is behind him.
In all cases, these guys are pissed off because THEY KNOW THE GUY BEHIND HIM CAN PLAY!
Pretty much my final thought on this bullshit drama
Except nobody knows if Love can play.
From Murphy's update...
“This is an issue that we have been working on for several months,”
Ah, the issue. So what exactly is the issue? From back in Jan of '20, when this all started, Rodgers wants a new contract.
Since then the only public comments from Rodgers on this is that it's out of his hands. To me, he is relying on his agent to negotiate the deal.
Recently we found out that the Packers have offered an extension. Since no (signed) extension has been reported, we assume Rodgers/his agent declined the offer.
I mentioned earlier that Dunn stands to gain a lot from this scenario.
He is the agent for Rodgers and Love. The only scenario where this doesn't work out for Dunn is if he loses Rodgers as a client.
Rodgers gets an extension, $$ for Dunn.
Rodgers gets traded, $$ for Dunn, and Packers commit to Love, $$ for Dunn.
Rodgers has every right to want more of a commitment from the Packers, and ultimately I expect they find a middle ground. If he wants Gutekunst fired, which I have serious doubts about those reports, he is delusional. Gutekunst has proven to be a top notch talent evaluator.
Andrew Brandt said, I don't get how it is surprising to people that Aaron is not happy being the NFL MVP while acting as a placeholder for Jordan Love.
That is expected. The issue is not that he's unhappy; the issue is managing the relationship and keeping him engaged until the transfer to Love.
A real commitment would keep him engaged, and that is the issue.
The issue
Aaron knows the reality: he is both the MVP of the league and a placeholder for Jordan Love.
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) May 2, 2021
The Packers probably wanted the transfer point to be 2022; now Aaron wants to control that timeline, not let them control it.
Fascinating struggle for power, dictation of terms.
@Henry posted:Except nobody knows if Love can play.
That's not true. You can ask most any NFL vet (player or coach) and they can see almost immediately if a new guy can play. The Packers know what they have with Love, and that plays a part of every personnel decision they make. Just like knowing what they have with Jaire, or Jones, or MVS-Lazard-EQ, etc...
@H5 posted:From Murphy's update...
“This is an issue that we have been working on for several months,”
Ah, the issue. So what exactly is the issue? From back in Jan of '20, when this all started, Rodgers wants a new contract.
Since then the only public comments from Rodgers on this is that it's out of his hands. To me, he is relying on his agent to negotiate the deal.
Recently we found out that the Packers have offered an extension. Since no (signed) extension has been reported, we assume Rodgers/his agent declined the offer.
I mentioned earlier that Dunn stands to gain a lot from this scenario.
He is the agent for Rodgers and Love. The only scenario where this doesn't work out for Dunn is if he loses Rodgers as a client.
Rodgers gets an extension, $$ for Dunn.
Rodgers gets traded, $$ for Dunn, and Packers commit to Love, $$ for Dunn.
Rodgers has every right to want more of a commitment from the Packers, and ultimately I expect they find a middle ground. If he wants Gutekunst fired, which I have serious doubts about those reports, he is delusional. Gutekunst has proven to be a top notch talent evaluator.
Andrew Brandt said, I don't get how it is surprising to people that Aaron is not happy being the NFL MVP while acting as a placeholder for Jordan Love.
That is expected. The issue is not that he's unhappy; the issue is managing the relationship and keeping him engaged until the transfer to Love.A real commitment would keep him engaged, and that is the issue.
Which Gunt failed spectacularly at.
Also, the Packers offered a restructure and not past 2021. So guaranteed money up to 2022 was a bridge too far for the Triangle of Schmucks.
When they won't even fucking commit to 2 years it's pretty obvious Gunt is hell bent on getting rid of Rodgers.
@Henry posted:Except nobody knows if Love can play.
YOU don't know if Love can play. I have a feeling the org & specifically Rodgers does know. Especially if MLF has been working with Love like I believe he has.
It's fine that Rodgers would like a little longer commitment. no problem with that.
This is 100% Dunn & yes of course it's driven by Rodgers. Rodgers & Dunn are best friends according to Rodgers from his clip during the Kentucky Derby. Dunn was in that Derby pic I believe.
The rest of this "drama" is thoroughbred horsecrap
And you have a feeling. Same thing.
Rodgers sat for a few seasons. Young, same thing and this was after being drafted as a starter in Tampa.
Love is a project QB unlike Young or Rodgers and has all of one COVID offseason under his belt. The likelihood of not knowing if Love can play at this level is exponentially greater.
If Gunt is 100% convinced Love is the guy then it is just another sign he's kinda maybe a giant idiot.
I don’t think this is all about Nub...I think it is a collection of shit Gunt has or hasn’t done over the years. Yeah 12 is a grudge holder but I don’t get the impression it would be over a couple petty things.
Exactly. I wish Jordan Love all the success in the world for him and for the Packers sake. He, personally, is secondary to this whole argument. It's how he's utilized as a pawn in the chess game of egos.
Gute has brought in some serious talent - Alexander, Z Smith, Amos, Savage, Jenkins, and Gary. All have or will make a pro bowl in the next 2 years. Three are all-pros (or likely will be soon). Without these players, this team is 8-8 at best. You can't ignore that.
IMO, Gute's only significant mistake was drafting Love, or drafting Love and not communicating it with Rodgers. His other mistakes are normal GM stuff that every other team in the league deals with. By the way, every fan base hates their GM so calling Gute a moron just makes you like every other fan. Trust me, even in Denver they turned on Elway.
Oh and the idea that Rodgers hasn't been given enough weapons is a media created myth based solely on "no 1st round WR/TE/RB". If you can find guys like Jennings, Adams, Nelson and Cobb in the 2nd round, you'd be a complete moron GM to draft a WR in the 1st round. You could actually rationalize that Rodgers has had better WRs in his career than almost another QB in the last decade.
And here is the list of the 12 first round WRs drafts ahead of Jennings, Adams, Nelson and Cobb: Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, Anthony Gonzalez, Craig Davis, Ted Ginn Jr, Santonio Holmes, Kelvin Benjamin, Brandon Cooks, Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, and Sammy Watkins. I count only 1 guy better than Adams, 2 guys better than Nelson and Jennings, 4 guys better than Cobb. So to everyone complaining about the lack of 1st round WRs, would you be happier with Kelvin Benjamin instead of Davante Adams? Because then the narrative would work.
@H5 posted:That's not true. You can ask most any NFL vet (player or coach) and they can see almost immediately if a new guy can play. The Packers know what they have with Love, and that plays a part of every personnel decision they make. Just like knowing what they have with Jaire, or Jones, or MVS-Lazard-EQ, etc...
So every high 1st round QB that was either pounded into paste or couldn't deal with the speed of the game was unlike Jordan Love? Has Love even played a single snap?
He has the potential to be the guy, that's it. If you're saying these guys know a surefire starter right out of the gate then the draft would look very different.
The whole concept of these guys knowing what they have in a player runs antithetical to every single bust in this league.
What gives me pause is Gute's enthusiasm for Deshawn Kizer and Drew Lock...
@CUPackFan posted:IMO, Gute's only significant mistake was drafting Love, or drafting Love and not communicating it with Rodgers. His other mistakes are normal GM stuff that every other team in the league deals with. By the way, every fan base hates their GM so calling Gute a moron just makes you like every other fan. Trust me, even in Denver they turned on Elway.
One problem, that's a gigantic, organizational wide mistake.
Other fans thinking their GM is an idiot doesn't make it kinda maybe no so with Dumb Gunt.
Fucking up the relationship with your MVP HOF QB, the guy that gets you to Super Bowls is no small thing. Fucking it up so bad the QB is flat out refusing to play while you're there is huge.
Drafting Love wasn't the biggest mistake, being a fucking moron and not knowing how to handle management 101 is the biggest mistake. It goes beyond football decision making. He's kinda maybe a giant fucking idiot even if a fraction of all this true. It smacks of an idiot punk first time manager swinging his micro penis around.
Seriously, do people think this team won't take a hit with Rodgers out of the picture? Do you believe everything will just roll along like it did with Rodgers?
Given how butthurt Rodgers has reacted to all of this I see no reason why Gute wouldn’t be inclined to move on and not placate the guy.
Yes, he’s a fantastic player. First ballot HOFer. But like Brent before him, he’s not above the team. Once players start to get that attitude there’s no talent in the world that will overcome the negative attention that will come along with it.
Time to move on. Best of luck to Rodgers and the Packers. They will all need it.
@CUPackFan posted:Gute has brought in some serious talent - Alexander, Z Smith, Amos, Savage, Jenkins, and Gary. All have or will make a pro bowl in the next 2 years. Three are all-pros (or likely will be soon). Without these players, this team is 8-8 at best. You can't ignore that.
Agreed, Gute did bring in some serious talent ... prior to 2020.
Gute did not even attempt to bring in any serious talent ... for the 2020 team ... that was coming off of a NFC Championship game loss.
And yet, there seems to be a contingent of fans who not only have no problem IGNORING THAT FACT ... they want to change the subject to how wise it was to start planning for the future.
The cognitive dissonance must be strong among those claiming (A) Gute has been going "all in" to build a SB winner with Rodgers at QB while (B) simultaneously insisting it was wise for Gute to use his 2020 1st and 4th round picks on a player who was not going to help the team achieve that goal.
The 2020 offseason was a let's get ready for the future approach to roster building whether the Packer organization and its most loyal fans want to admit it or not.
Yes, he's done every single thing they've asked of him and now they essentially tell him they're done with him after 2021. He's stated he wants to play past 40. He's shown nothing that says he can't. He has a close relationship with Mayo, the guy he supposedly didn't listen to. In the second year of Mayo's tenure he wins the MVP.
What a diva.
Fucking laughable.
Hey, from a pure football decision, does this make even one fucking lick of sense? If this happened to any other team would you be sitting there and not think the organization was idiotic? Did you think Deshaun Watson (pre-rapiness) was entirely to blame for the Texans situation?
Jesus, wake the fuck up.
Started way before Love
1) Not resigning Jordy
2) Not rehiring QB coach
3) No input at all in hiring GM
4) No input at all in hiring HC
5) Drafting Love when AR had said he wanted to finish his career in GB.
6) Not willing to give AR a restructured extension beyond this next season.
He got no more "special treatment" than the long snapper. If you have an employee that is better at what he does than anyone in the world, is loved by his fellow employees, makes his fellow employees better, helps make your organization profitable, helps make your organization be held in high esteem, you sure as hell better give him "special treatment"..... or at least make him think you did.