@lambeausouth posted:

I’m concerned about how this potentially impacts Green Bay’s ability to sign talent going forward, both on the field, and in positions within the organization. If you’re a potential free agent, watching this shit show in Green Bay from afar, would you want to come play for this organization? Would you want to enter into negotiations with this clown car front office?

Cancer has a tendency to metastasize. Regardless of how this situation with Rodgers ultimately gets resolved, this may be causing irreparable harm to our profile within the league. We’ve had the best quarterback in football over the last decade, and haven’t been able to win, or even get to a Super Bowl during that time. Now this. Once is an aberration. Twice is a trend. Why would a potential FA want to go to a place with this drama, and an inability to win championships?

The whole roster situation looks like a setup to blow everything up after this season. You have to think the other guys in the locker room are thinking they might be out the door with Aaron Rodgers. They just don't have the leverage AR does to try to do something about it. As of now, the only Packers players under contract for over 10 million in 2022 that they don't save big cap charges by cutting are Bakh and Jaire Alexander.

It sure seems like the plan was to play things out in 2021 and move on from a lot of core guys after that.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/gr...ay-packers/cap/2022/

Z. Smith in 2022. 28 million cap charge, 12 million dead cap to cut.

Adrian Amos in 2022. 12 million cap charge. 4 million dead cap to cut.

Preston Smith in 2022. 20 million cap charge. 7 million dead cap to cut.

Davante Adams counts 16 million against the cap this year and is a FA in 2022 when he's 30 years old.

Dean Lowry. 7 million cap charge. 1.4 million dead cap to cut.

The fact Dean Lowry is a 7 mil cap charge is another indictment of Dumb Gunt.

that's what gary ellerson says, let him sit - if it's years, then that's the way it ends.  I mean that's what you want to say if you are a disciplinarian father, like me, lol.  but the reality is the trade values go down by the minute.  if it is in fact true that yoko wants him to move out there, then that's where he will be.

by the way, whoever pegged yoko - that's brilliant, love this place.

@Grave Digger posted:

Gutey is taking it on the chin. Saw a report that LaFleur and the coaches are backing Rodgers. Got a real civil war brewing. It’s an indictment of Murphy that he’s let things go this far. If things are this dysfunctional how can you let Gutey stay again with or without Rodgers?

This means the clock is ticking on the Gutey/MLF alliance no matter what happens with Rodgers. This development is exponentially worse than any Rodgers/Packers dynamic. Your GM and head coach are now publicly opposing each other on the key issue for the franchise? All of those trips out to California to meet with Rodgers were telling him mixed messages? Rodgers is a diva, but who wouldn't want out? MLF may be next. He'd have options after this year.

This also suggests that MLF knows that JLove is no sure thing and that if they crater after Rodgers leaves Gutey may hang him out to dry.

Of course, since MLF reports to Murphy and not Gutey how knows.

Once they sort this all out, they need to fire Murphy. No matter what he needs to go.

That's why I said Mayo needs to keep his head on a swivel.  You basically have the actual football team telling the FO to pound sand. 

I wonder if Mayo will be villainized in short order.

@sschumer - Packer Fan HoF'r posted:

Understanding no solution is perfect, and since it appears the biggest part of Rodgers’ issue is with Gutekunst, I would suggest the following:

• Murphy bring John Dorsey back to Green Bay and install him as the full GM, meaning in the role Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf before him had.  In this scenario, Gutekunst, Ball and LaFleur would report to Dorsey.

That will never happen. Gurt would resign not take a lesser role.

@Pakrz posted:

Not a fucking chance in hell GB gets a haul like that for a soon to be 38 year old QB with some recent injury history. It’s not happening.

Disagree -- On Thursday, Denver was willing to give up (3) first rounders.

@Grave Digger posted:

Gutey is taking it on the chin. Saw a report that LaFleur and the coaches are backing Rodgers. Got a real civil war brewing.

No surprise LaFluff would back his QB. MLF doesn't have to worry about Gurgley firing him. He has clout now.

I said it first & Charles Robinson said it 5-10 minutes ago on NFL Network. Aaron Rodgers himself hasn't said anything. All these "sources" are bullshit. Wait until Rodgers himself gets in front of a mic & camera & says it. Until then, it's all bullshit.

And if he does go to Denver, The Packers will get a haul of picks, either that, or he can retire & go be a gameshow host.

look at what AR is already doing here.  this is the plan -

@Grave Digger posted:

It’s an indictment of Murphy ...

Whether one thinks:

Aaron Rodgers is the most egotistical POS to ever walk the planet while carrying a grudge like none before him; or

Brian Gutekunst is such an arrogant POS that he was willing to make a "bold" move by spending 1st and 4th round picks on a QB even though Rodgers still had 5 years left on his contract just to let everyone know this was his team -- to the detriment of the 2020 squad's chances of winning a SB; or

neither or both of these things ...

I would think by now that most discerning Packer fans have come to realize that whatever usefulness he may have previously provided to the organization, Mark Murphy's time should be up in Green Bay.

Meanwhile, while Murph sends out communiques to the faithful about all is well with ARod and the team ...

I thought this was just a throwaway quote from MLF back in January, but maybe it was more of a shot across the bow to Gutey.

@Boris posted:

I said it first & Charles Robinson said it 5-10 minutes ago on NFL Network. Aaron Rodgers himself hasn't said anything. All these "sources" are bullshit. Wait until Rodgers himself gets in front of a mic & camera & says it. Until then, it's all bullshit.

And if he does go to Denver, The Packers will get a haul of picks, either that, or he can retire & go be a gameshow host.

There is zero chance any QB is going to walk up to a mic and openly say "dude sucks, fire him".

It's just like Murphy comatose statements and Gunt's bullshit lies.  The reality isn't going to be in the headlines.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

It sure seems like the plan was to play things out in 2021 and move on from a lot of core guys after that.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/gr...ay-packers/cap/2022/

Z. Smith in 2022. 28 million cap charge, 12 million dead cap to cut.

Adrian Amos in 2022. 12 million cap charge. 4 million dead cap to cut.

Preston Smith in 2022. 20 million cap charge. 7 million dead cap to cut.

Davante Adams counts 16 million against the cap this year and is a FA in 2022 when he's 30 years old.

Dean Lowry. 7 million cap charge. 1.4 million dead cap to cut.

Search for @Timpranillo post when Packers drafted Love & showed how, due to cap implications, nothing could happen until AFTER 2021.

Rodgers knows this too.

@Henry posted:

There is zero chance any QB is going to walk up to a mic and openly say "dude sucks, fire him".

Never said Rodgers would say/do that

@Boris posted:

Never said Rodgers would say/do that

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

They just don't have the leverage AR does to try to do something about it. As of now, the only Packers players under contract for over 10 million in 2022 that they don't save big cap charges by cutting are Bakh and Jaire Alexander.

Couple things:

I don’t think Rodgers has any actual leverage. The reason why he doesn’t is because they drafted Jordan Love last year. As mad as everyone was about this, in this context you cannot ignore the validity of making that pick. The Patriots got a good taste of the pain that comes when a guy wants out and has the team over a barrel because you have jack shit behind him.

The other thing is he looks like an asshole right now if the premise is that because he didn’t get a rookie WR to throw to last year he’s still mad about it. The  “he doesn’t have enough help” narrative rings awfully hollow. The guy didn’t win an MVP last year playing with scraps. Jones, Adams, Tonyan- all 3 levels of guys producing, with an excellent OL keeping him upright and opening holes for a run game that opens up his play-action game. Plus solid role players that all contributed... he didn’t have talent? Horseshit. He had enough to win MVP over everyone’s preferred choice of Brady, and was a couple mistakes from getting to the SB.

Somehow this just seems contrived. It doesn’t make sense for either side to do this. It’s hard to understand, therefore hard to believe.

Your contention would balance on the fact if Love can actually play or not.

Rodgers has plenty of leverage but it may not result in any actual positive resolution, which seems to be out the window already.

It is NOT about "weapons"... it is about a long term commitment. The guy wants to end his career in GB & the pick was an obvious indication that management wants to move on. They offered to restructure contract but only through next season.

What a mess. Interesting that MLF is in the Rodgers camp. I’m sure he’s figured out that Murphy and Gute are morons. Losing MLF would be a huge loss. Losing Murphy and Gute would be addition by subtraction.

Bringing this back up. Here's the analysis based on the existing contract.

Wrote this literally a year ago, the summary of which was

His contract makes it virtually impossible to move him before the end of the 2021 season but makes pretty easy to move on after 2021/before 2022 season. I think this is all pointing to 2 more years of AR, a trade, and then handing the reins to Jordan Love in September of 2022, giving you at least more than a year before making a decision on extending Love to the team option 5th year, or a new deal.

The "virtually impossible" is based on what you'd expect most teams to want to absorb in a cap hit. As I mentioned, there is a decent delta before before June 1 and after June 1, neither are great options...

As for today's "update"...

This could have been easily avoided. During the playoff bye week, Murphy/Gute tuck their tails between their legs, they ask for forgiveness, they extend AR for at least 2-3 more years with a healthy market based raise, and you move merrily along your way. Whomever made the call to try to restructure for cap relief only and NOT to extend and guarantee after that regular season should have bags of urine lobbed at them every time they step outside their homes.

I can’t believe that we’re in this position, after being on the precipice of the Super Bowl two years in a row.

Russ Bag O' Urine Ball had to play into that decision.

@lambeausouth posted:

I can’t believe that we’re in this position, after being on the precipice of the Super Bowl two years in a row.

It's almost like the FO is inept.

@Timpranillo posted:

Bringing this back up. Here's the analysis based on the existing contract.

Whomever made the call to try to restructure for cap relief only and NOT to extend and guarantee after that regular season should have bags of urine lobbed at them every time they step outside their homes.

Russ Ballz and obviously Murphy is on board with it too

Mike Lombardi said on NFL radio Thursday that "everyone in the NFL knows that Murphy is calling the shots and hides behind Gunt"

One other point I'd note...

If you trade him before 6/1, you take a MASSIVE hit to cap in 2021 of $38M. But, there's no dead cap impact to 2022. Whereas after 6/1 means dead cap hits in both 2021($21M) and 2022($17M)

So, one might argue, just take the entire hit in 2021, throw up the white flag, and tank for 2022.

NBC just showed Aaron at the Derby.....and Mike Tirico said Aaron won’t be talking to the press today.

@FLPACKER posted:

Mike Lombardi said on NFL radio Thursday that "everyone in the NFL knows that Murphy is calling the shots and hides behind Gunt"

And has set it up so that MFL, Gutey, and Ball all have to grovel to him to keep their jobs. He's the worst kind of manager. I've been around some just like him. Play everybody off of each other and tell everyone that they are your favorite.

So much fun watching the 5th round of the draft on the NFL Network and hearing all the talking heads going on and on about the Jordan Love pick making no sense ... Rich Eisen not so subtly savaging the organization.

But yeah, this will all go away and not be a talker all off-season if it doesn't get resolved.

Bottom line is what many have been saying for a while, Murphy needs to go.

I’m hoping he actually said “oh my word I’m just so unsure about how this all happened!” 😂

Aaron Rodgers at the Kentucky Derby. He declined to talk to NBC. Mike Tirico says Rodgers told him he was "disappointed that news has come out of this rift with the Packers." Tirico says Rodgers expressed how much he loves Green Bay.#AaronRodgers #Packers pic.twitter.com/BOM3p8LzFQ

— Matt Hietpas (@MattyHip) May 1, 2021

@FLPACKER posted:

It is NOT about "weapons"... it is about a long term commitment. The guy wants to end his career in GB & the pick was an obvious indication that management wants to move on. They offered to restructure contract but only through next season.

It reminds me of when Murphy tried to give Favre 25 million to stay retired in 2008. "Here's a few more bucks to go away quietly."

All of their actions indicate they want to move on. If Rodgers gets hurt next year, he'll see no more money. He probably feels he's earned at least some guaranteed money to guard against an injury.

I was really surprised at how much Lombardi backed AR & had a negative tone towards Murphy and even LaFleur. Insinuated that because Murphy chose LaFleur, he wanted to believe the last two year's of success were due to him ...and referred to LaFleur as "the failed OC from Tennessee. Said AR should be pissed that in TB game "Billy Turner couldn't block his guy, Wagner couldn't block his guy, but LaFleur didn't give them any help"

@Timpranillo posted:

One other point I'd note...

If you trade him before 6/1, you take a MASSIVE hit to cap in 2021 of $38M. But, there's no dead cap impact to 2022. Whereas after 6/1 means dead cap hits in both 2021($21M) and 2022($17M)

So, one might argue, just take the entire hit in 2021, throw up the white flag, and tank for 2022.

Which would put them in position to take QB Sam Howell from UNC.

https://www.sportingnews.com/u...7ky6iqh1ma9gfmu46fxu

They obviously hadn't thought this through, but if you were going to tank why resign Aaron Jones and M. Lewis?

@Maxi54 posted:

Bottom line is what many have been saying for a while, Murphy needs to go.

And he can take Gute with him.

Trying to find a source, what is the cap sitution if he retires?

What is the incentive to trade him after the draft?  I think most would assume any team he is traded to will be better and drafting much near the rear? Good players usually cost $$ and the cap situation isn't friendly?

The reporters talking about him not showing up to OTA, TC.  Rodgers is very concerned with his public profile, even more recently. I don't think those help him. If you own Jeopardy do you want to negotiate a contract with him as your host?  Maybe he'll feel slighted that they didnt consult him on the  topics? JK.

I asked earlier, why did he wait a year to bring this up? There is something missing.

For everyone angry with Gute.  I can't explain why he moved up and picked Love and yes it looks like an unforced error, but given the state of the roster when he took over and the cap situation, I think he has done a good job.  Yes its easy to look at a holes in the roster, but every team has weaknesses and unless you want to sell out and go for it all for one year, you do the best you can and hope its enough.

@Grave Digger posted:

Good post Schumer. I’m not against Gutey and I’m not a super fan, but IF it truly is him that bungled the relationship then I don’t see how you can keep him as GM regardless of how the situation is resolved. Could be more noise, but not being able to manage your star players is a problem if true. Dorsey could be a good bandaid to salvage the relationship, Id throw out Reggie McKenzie also as a guy who could provide some support.

From what we know about Rodgers and his extreme ego, you really think there is a chance the problem lies with Gutekunst? Get real!

I will be mad at Gute if he doesn’t line up the teams and get as much as he can for this motherfucker. Otherwise, Gute has done nothing wrong.

It is time to move on from Rodgers. No one player is above the team.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

I thought this was just a throwaway quote from MLF back in January, but maybe it was more of a shot across the bow to Gutey.

Matt LaFleur on Aaron Rodgers: 'Hell yeah, he better be back here'

They knew then that he wanted a longer commitment.

@Goalline posted:

From what we know about Rodgers and his extreme ego, you really think there is a chance the problem lies with Gutekunst? Get real!

I will be mad at Gute if he doesn’t line up the teams and get as much as he can for this motherfucker. Otherwise, Gute has done nothing wrong.

It is time to move on from Rodgers. No one player is above the team.

100%.  Wilde, Lombardi and now Mayo stepping up with Rodgers take and the FO's ineptitude.

Gunt is absolutely to blame along with the two other turds.  Maybe kinda.

I have a different take ....yes AR has a massive ego, but so does Murphy. It is Murphy's job to manage AR's ego, but he let his own interfere with that and that is how we've gotten to this point.

@Goalline posted:

No one player is above the team.

But one GM is I guess.

@Goldie posted:

NBC just showed Aaron at the Derby.....and Mike Tirico said Aaron won’t be talking to the press today.