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Did I think he would? No, not really. Did I hope he would? Yes.

I think we all hoped for some kind of clarity but then we have to remember there isn't a sincere word spoken across the entire NFL at any podium for interview.

This is why I like Charles Barkley. 

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"12 is starting to resemble a "girlie-man" from the Hans & Franz skits. He looks a buck-75."

I don't know, it seems like all this talk about Rodgers "weight" on here is getting a life of it's own.  I don't know when this pic was taken, but does it look like a guy that weighs a "buck-75"?  Even looks like he's got a little belly roll there.  C'mon, you can do better.....

He's also standing next to a Hollywood waif. Fron his Derby pics the dude looks 175. In the above, maybe 195.

@Henry posted:

This is the thing that people refuse to acknowledge as they trip over themselves to make it all about Rodgers.

Gunt's failure, regardless of who is "right", is epic considering the caliber of the player.  If any other GM was this stupid we would be mocking that FO mercilessly.



Yeah, because we really admire brown nosing GMs? While Gute did screw up in not recognizing that his franchise QB is a big fucking baby, the character flaw here is with Rodgers. Trade him and let's move on. Time for Gute to do his fucking job and build a team to compete.

@Goalline posted:

Yeah, because we really admire brown nosing GMs? While Gute did screw up in not recognizing that his franchise QB is a big fucking baby, the character flaw here is with Rodgers. Trade him and let's move on. Time for Gute to do his fucking job and build a team to compete.

I'm not sure Gute has a clue how to do his job......

@DocBenni posted:

The more I think about it, getting rid of Gutey may not actually set a bad precedent.  If AR feels this way about him, then I'm sure others do too.  AR is one of the few with the clout to do anything about it.  

In today's world, the idea of shut up and do your job, does not fly.  We are seeing it in the world of sports because it get so much media attention. The players want to be empowered.  If it's spun that Gutey, while possibly a good evaluator of talent, does not have the personality to deal with today's athletes, then it sends a message to the team and potential free agents that open communication and respect is what the organization wants to be about.

I'm dealing with the same thing currently at work.  I'm the associate program director for our ER residency. Gone are the days of crazy ours, getting yelled at, etc. My residents want to have input and a say in their training.  It's very difficult for those of us who trained during the previous decades because we have the mindset of that's just how things are done.

I'm sure it's similar in other businesses and walks of life.

I don't think it will happen, but I'm beginning to think it might not be such a bad thing.  It's also the bad side of not having an owner.  Corporations/boards move slow.  An owner could say to AR, if we get rid of Gutey will you come back?

Then the next guy with any clout gets the next GM fired because he didn’t placate him..

@DocBenni posted:

The more I think about it, getting rid of Gutey may not actually set a bad precedent.  If AR feels this way about him, then I'm sure others do too.  AR is one of the few with the clout to do anything about it.  

In today's world, the idea of shut up and do your job, does not fly.  We are seeing it in the world of sports because it get so much media attention. The players want to be empowered.  If it's spun that Gutey, while possibly a good evaluator of talent, does not have the personality to deal with today's athletes, then it sends a message to the team and potential free agents that open communication and respect is what the organization wants to be about.

I'm dealing with the same thing currently at work.  I'm the associate program director for our ER residency. Gone are the days of crazy ours, getting yelled at, etc. My residents want to have input and a say in their training.  It's very difficult for those of us who trained during the previous decades because we have the mindset of that's just how things are done.

I'm sure it's similar in other businesses and walks of life.

I don't think it will happen, but I'm beginning to think it might not be such a bad thing.  It's also the bad side of not having an owner.  Corporations/boards move slow.  An owner could say to AR, if we get rid of Gutey will you come back?

That's the thing.  The root of it is still there with What Me Murphy.  Compare Harlan to Murphy and there simply is no comparison.  Harlan was the epitome of a senior statesman for the Packers.

The Packers are definitely more of an old school organization but look at guys like Brandt, Harlan, even TT.  There was an empathy for the player regardless of the situation.

In hindsight, you have to wonder what it really is that resonated with WMM during Gunt's interview.  There were plenty of other candidates long versed in the Wolf tree.  When the exodus took place I firmly chocked it up to sour grapes but I'm not so sure anymore and the Browns have benefited from it.

I don't think the previous FO wasn't amenable to the modern player but I sure think this FO isn't amenable at all.  Too many tough guy/dumb guy incidents since What Me Murphy took the helm.   

@DocBenni posted:


I don't think it will happen, but I'm beginning to think it might not be such a bad thing.  It's also the bad side of not having an owner.  Corporations/boards move slow.  An owner could say to AR, if we get rid of Gutey will you come back?

I think Gertie has shown he's not GM material...he is a high-level personnel guy, and probably pretty good at it...but he's in a role he's not equipped to do. I'd never be in favor of dangling that carrot "if he's fired will you stay?" in front of 12 or any player.

If Murphy truly believes Gert is the best man for that position, then he has to stand by him. But that also brings into question, is WMM the best man for that position? IMO, nope. Hasn't been for a long time.

This whole thing has spun way the fuck out of control...way worse than it needs to be. And we have two camps...those that want to vilify 12 as being a diva, and those that want to vilify WMM and Gunt for stumbling over their own dicks mishandling the situation.

Yeah...12 is a bit of a diva...but name me one HOF QB that isn't? He's highly competitive and wants to win. Gunt, like most personnel guys, is dug in on not breaking from his system. Just like bean counters will always try to find the cheapest way to do something.

7 days...first day they can trade him. Kind of wish they would at this point TBH.

@13X posted:

I'm not sure Gute has a clue how to do his job......

Yeah, I think I will take the side of a guy who took a failing franchise to 2 NFCC over people jerking all over themselves on a bulletin board. Sorry!

Neither did Ted then..

Based on what? How he handled the Favre situation? If that is what you are referring to, that was a completely different situation and I thought it was time to move on from Favre and his retire/unretire BS and constant choking in the playoffs. I'm not saying Rodgers is faultless by any means but Murphy and Gute seem like they are clueless.

"It's not about the draft pick" he says.  Does anyone think for a second that this whole thing is going on if Love wasn't drafted?  Even Rodgers said again that his MVP season threw a monkey wrench into things.  What "thing" AR?  You mean the thing where they drafted your replacement?

I get he's not trying to shit on Jordan the way Brett shit on him, but come on.  Being all cryptic with the "it's about the people" BS also isn't helping.  Is he this cryptic and weird in the locker room?  Cuz god that would be annoying.

He may want to be treated more like Brady or Manning but those two guys were about as blunt as you can get, especially on the field.  Rodgers could learn a thing or two from them.

@Goalline posted:

Yeah, I think I will take the side of a guy who took a failing franchise to 2 NFCC over people jerking all over themselves on a bulletin board. Sorry!

Rodgers was the primary reason they got there. Its not even arguable..... You can worship the FO all you want, but Rodgers is the reason for our recent success. Murphy and Gute could leave tomorrow and they wouldn't be missed. Rodgers will be missed.

Gute has done a solid job as a personnel guy.   He’s done a miserable job in terms of communicating with his QB.   Is that all his fault?  I don’t know.  Not like Murphy or Ball are setting the best example in terms of servant leadership.

It is a bit ironic though that Rodgers rails on relationship building and communications.  He’s not exactly the easiest guy to read or connect with and can be high maintenance.

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@DocBenni posted:


I'm dealing with the same thing currently at work.  I'm the associate program director for our ER residency. Gone are the days of crazy ours, getting yelled at, etc. My residents want to have input and a say in their training.  It's very difficult for those of us who trained during the previous decades because we have the mindset of that's just how things are done.

I'm sure it's similar in other businesses and walks of life.

I don't think it will happen, but I'm beginning to think it might not be such a bad thing.  It's also the bad side of not having an owner.  Corporations/boards move slow.  An owner could say to AR, if we get rid of Gutey will you come back?

I kind of have the same situation in my line of work.  I manage a very large team and several members of my team want to have input on how things are done. I very much take in to account what input they have but I also have to walk the line that says I am in charge and sometimes you may not get what you think is right. Life if just like that sometimes.  Now I know that sports does not really mimic real life but at some point management has to take that in to account.   

An honest question on if they let Gutey go would AR want to come back? perhaps he would.  But on the flip side of that what kind of GM candidates would you get if they know that AR is basically running the show? Maybe its just me but I would shy away from that situation.  And would the organization have to vet the GM candidates past #12?

Really hard to believe that some appear to be advocating for the firing of Gutey. He's made some mistakes, but overall done a good job.

BTW, I really don't believe better FO communication in regards to the Love pick would have made a significant difference. AR's problem was the picking of his successor itself. 

@Goalline posted:

Yeah, I think I will take the side of a guy who took a failing franchise to 2 NFCC over people jerking all over themselves on a bulletin board. Sorry!

A failing franchise?  WTF?  Dude, you're creating your own reality.

@Goalline posted:

Yeah, I think I will take the side of a guy who took a failing franchise to 2 NFCC over people jerking all over themselves on a bulletin board. Sorry!

Murphy hired MLF and this team doesn't make the playoffs without Rodgers

@13X posted:

Rodgers was the primary reason they got there. Its not even arguable..... You can worship the FO all you want, but Rodgers is the reason for our recent success. Murphy and Gute could leave tomorrow and they wouldn't be missed. Rodgers will be missed.

So LaFluer had zero % impact then either. I’m sure Rodgers loved playing McCarthy’s hero ball and running for his life every play.

@Tschmack posted:

Gute has done a solid job as a personnel guy.   He’s done a miserable job in terms of communicating with his QB.   Is that all his fault?  I don’t know.  Not like Murphy or Ball are setting the best example in terms of servant leadership.

Lets also remember that everyone reports to Murphy.  That means certain typical GM-like duties have been taken out of Gute's hands that a normal GM would be in charge of.  In essence Murphy has told Gute to build the team only, and Gute's done a good job at that.

But if Murphy is going to have so much say by having so many people reporting to him, it's really up to Murphy to be the leader here and smooth things over.  As far as the FO side of this is concerned the buck stops with him, especially because of how he set the reporting structure up.  You can't fault Gute for that.

@michiganjoe posted:

Really hard to believe that some appear to be advocating for the firing of Gutey. He's made some mistakes, but overall done a good job.

BTW, I really don't believe better FO communication in regards to the Love pick would have made a significant difference. AR's problem was the picking of his successor itself.

It's not the action, it's the lack of communication.     You take 10 mins to explain why the Org needs to make that pick to the HOF qb.    You keep the scrub WR he likes to work with over the scrub WR you think has a smidge more upside.  So on and so on.

Gute has let his title go to his head.   He is the manager that nobody can stand to work for. 

Rodgers isn't blameless.  He's a diva, but that is to be expected.   That is predictable.   Part of managements job is to deal with that.  They have failed miserably. 

@13X posted:

Rodgers was the primary reason they got there. Its not even arguable..... You can worship the FO all you want, but Rodgers is the reason for our recent success. Murphy and Gute could leave tomorrow and they wouldn't be missed. Rodgers will be missed.

Rodgers was on the team in 2017 and 2018. What did they do then? 7-9 and 6-9?

Gute takes over? 2 NFCC and 2 13-3 seasons.

Pattern recognition is not your strength.

@Henry posted:

A failing franchise?  WTF?  Dude, you're creating your own reality.

7-9 and 6-9-1 in consecutive years? Yeah, WTF am I talking about?



Get back to scrubbing balls.

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@vitaflo posted:

"It's not about the draft pick" he says.  Does anyone think for a second that this whole thing is going on if Love wasn't drafted?  Even Rodgers said again that his MVP season threw a monkey wrench into things.  What "thing" AR?  You mean the thing where they drafted your replacement?

I get he's not trying to shit on Jordan the way Brett shit on him, but come on.  Being all cryptic with the "it's about the people" BS also isn't helping.  Is he this cryptic and weird in the locker room?  Cuz god that would be annoying.

He may want to be treated more like Brady or Manning but those two guys were about as blunt as you can get, especially on the field.  Rodgers could learn a thing or two from them.

I think it's better to state it as how the draft pick was handled.  There's zero chance drafting Love isn't a part of this equation.  I do think he's going out of his way not to shit on Love the person.  I feel the same way, it's not about Love, it's about what you're doing to win right now.  When/if Love takes the reigns I'll cheer him on just like any other QB (as long as he doesn't completely flame out). 

You simply don't get a blow up of this magnitude if you're supposedly in touch with the whole of the team.

@Goalline posted:

7-9 and 6-9-1 in consecutive years? Yeah, WTF am I talking about?



Get back to scrubbing balls.

You mean years when Rodgers was hurt or there was a transition to a 1st time, 1st year HC?

That's not an endorsement for the FO or coaching staff whoever it was at the time.  That's Rodgers carrying your team.

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Yeah those awesome 2017-2018 Packers were world beaters..take McCarthy’s balls out of your mouth..

Yeah I'm a real McVince fan you stupid fucking pigeon.

If you two girls want to go full nuclear, I'm good with that.

Hey, can anyone tell Homer Pigeon how I feel about McVince?

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That’s where Rodgers comes across as a bit of a phony. I mean, he’s absolutely full of shit if he thinks the Love pick was a non factor in this.  It absolutely is a factor, just like when Rodgers was drafted it pissed off Brent and his camp.

But teams and front office folks pull shady dishonest shit all the time as well.   I just didn’t like the whole dialogue with Kenny Mayne.   It was like a WWE production.  20% truth and accuracy, and 80% nonsense.