@Henry posted:Zero chance Murphy gets fired. I'm sure the board is all giddy about the Titletown District and nothing else.
More assumptions..you don’t know this, but it furthers your narrative..
@Goalline posted:He was "magically" hurt. Lafleur's offense doesn't actually protect the QB.
It is a results based game. You are your record. Everything else is an excuse.
"Magically hurt"? You mean the broken collarbone in 2017 and the tibial plateau fracture along with MCL strain in 2018?
How do you fake broken bones?
I wonder if that would affect his footwork in 2018? You know, those two seasons that showed the franchise was in decline. Couldn't be your star player was injured and your record showed it. The whole team's record. What conclusion could be drawn from such events?
@Henry posted:You pick the stupidest mole hills to die on idiot pigeon.
You’re the one making shit up...
@Henry posted:"Magically hurt"? You mean the broken collarbone in 2017 and the tibial plateau fracture along with MCL strain in 2018?
How do you fake broken bones?
I wonder if that would affect his footwork in 2018? You know, those two seasons that showed the franchise was in decline. Couldn't be your star player was injured and your record showed it. The whole team's record. What conclusion could be drawn from such events?
Gosh..one could see a HOF being injured and wonder if he were breaking down a little..nah, not our FO..they’re just idiots who are hated by everyone on the team..so much so they spit in their faces offering those contracts..
Rodgers isn’t going to retire and effectively pay back 30MM of his salary. Seems like a really stupid tactic unless he can easily replace that money.
@Steve of Norway posted:Gosh..one could see a HOF being injured and wonder if he were breaking down a little..nah, not our FO..they’re just idiots who are hated by everyone on the team..so much so they spit in their faces offering those contracts..
Slowcoach pigeon
You're having your own little conversation with hot zingers from the Dubya era.
But hey, good luck with poking the bear.
@Tschmack posted:Rodgers isn’t going to retire and effectively pay back 30MM of his salary. Seems like a really stupid tactic unless he can easily replace that money.
I don't think it's that out of the realm of reason. Something tells me Rodgers wasn't blowing all his money at the scrip club.
@Pikes Peak posted:He looks like George Donner in March 1847.
Looks like a shoulder bump by "Opie" could knock him over.
@Henry posted:Slowcoach pigeon
You're having your own little conversation with hot zingers from the Dubya era.
But hey, good luck with poking the bear.
Just for clarification, you’re referring to yourself as said bear? Eh..I don’t think so..
@Henry posted:
Oh no..the bear is angry..maybe go blame gunt or something..
@Henry posted:That's the thing. The root of it is still there with What Me Murphy. Compare Harlan to Murphy and there simply is no comparison. Harlan was the epitome of a senior statesman for the Packers.
The Packers are definitely more of an old school organization but look at guys like Brandt, Harlan, even TT. There was an empathy for the player regardless of the situation.
In hindsight, you have to wonder what it really is that resonated with WMM during Gunt's interview. There were plenty of other candidates long versed in the Wolf tree. When the exodus took place I firmly chocked it up to sour grapes but I'm not so sure anymore and the Browns have benefited from it.
I don't think the previous FO wasn't amenable to the modern player but I sure think this FO isn't amenable at all. Too many tough guy/dumb guy incidents since What Me Murphy took the helm.
Harlan oversaw Mike Sherman the GM, stripped him of GM duties while making him coach an awkward lame duck year, and approved drafting Favre’s replacement. Not a ton more empathy than Murphy and Gute have shown over the last few years. Think about Holmgren, would it not have taken an easy conversation with Holmgren and Wolf to sort out where everyone was at and make a succession plan? Holmy wanted more personnel control and, as we know now, Wolf retired basically two years later. Maybe a 10 min conversation and some smoothing over could have kept Holmy in the fold and focused on Super Bowl 32, avoiding the Ray Rhodes debacle and the Mike Sherman GM debacle.
Also several of you are again making this discussion insulting and personal. Let’s end the personal attacks please. I deleted several of the more childish animal based insults.
@Grave Digger posted:Also several of you are again making this discussion insulting and personal. Let’s end the personal attacks please.
Correct. You all know who you are, knock it the fuck off. We will simply delete posts without further explanation and if necessary, give you all a break from this place if you can’t act like an adult. Which I know all of you can.
@Grave Digger posted:Harlan oversaw Mike Sherman the GM, stripped him of GM duties while making him coach an awkward lame duck year, and approved drafting Favre’s replacement. Not a ton more empathy than Murphy and Gute have shown over the last few years. Think about Holmgren, would it not have taken an easy conversation with Holmgren and Wolf to sort out where everyone was at and make a succession plan? Holmy wanted more personnel control and, as we know now, Wolf retired basically two years later. Maybe a 10 min conversation and some smoothing over could have kept Holmy in the fold and focused on Super Bowl 32, avoiding the Ray Rhodes debacle and the Mike Sherman GM debacle.
Harlan was being responsive to a bad situation unlike Murphy when McVince and TT started to collapse. Harlan did not approve or disapprove of anything. TT went to him to ask him what he thought and the hell the organization would catch and Harlan told TT it was up to him.
I'm pretty sure a 10 minute conversation explaining why you're drafting a possible replacement vs. a 10 minute conversation about control of a franchise between the likes of Holmgren and Wolf aren't remotely in the same ballpark.
Why? Because those 10 minute conversations with QBs happen all the time around the league. I don't think a cup of tea is going to resolve a major power struggle for control of the organization between a long standing successful GM and HC at the apex of their careers. Also, Wolf lost a step because he couldn't adjust to the salary cap era. He said so himself.
Also, Sherman the GM was undone by himself. TT was undone by his failing health and the inability for others to act or acting in his stead. People talk about Holmgren mailing it in to move on, McVince just plain mailed it in.
@Tschmack posted:Rodgers isn’t going to retire and effectively pay back 30MM of his salary. Seems like a really stupid tactic unless he can easily replace that money.
Or he could retire, pay back $ and then un-retire.
Probably already has contingencies for all the scenarios.
As far as the money he would pay back, how much money has made off of that money in the meantime?
You personally? Damn, you got some pull. Fix this shit.
@packerboi posted:Correct. You all know who you are, knock it the fuck off. We will simply delete posts without further explanation and if necessary, give you all a break from this place if you can’t act like an adult. Which I know all of you can.
@michiganjoe posted:Communication is a two-way street. Think AR has been without fault in that area?
My impression has been that he prefers passive-aggressive shots to resolving issues with discussion.
Of course not. Rodgers absolutely is part of the problem and nobody is saying otherwise.
The point is he is the guy that makes it go. He's the guy that leads the team and a big factor, if not the biggest factor, for years of success. As Timp pointed out awhile ago, nobody gives a shit about Carol in contracts or Harold in accounting.
Yes, they have to baby the big baby named Aaron Rodgers. That should be a no brainer. The picking up of a phone for a conversation before drafting Love is not a two way street.
Just get the picks.
I didn't know much about the backgrounds of Gutekunst or Murphy. So I did a little bitty wikipedia peek--because wikipedia is the best reference....they may not be people persons, but their resumes are pretty impressive-..Murphy was getting long in the tooth, but it sounds like his NFL career ended because of his union activity in support of the players---and for good measure he received his MBA from American University and his Law degree from Georgetown ..and Gute who attended UW Lacrosse, spent 20 years with the Packers before being promoted to the big cheese position by TT.
They are not the world's greatest QB singularly or combined, but they aint slouches.....Again drafting Love without letting Rodgers know was really stupid, but is it fireable? is that a word?
It is now.
Another thought is the locker room. I don't think you'll get some division within the team like the Frankie Bag O' Donuts and Favre thing, which Rodgers didn't help with the gramps comment, but I do think it'll be vets vs. the FO. Adams comment bears that out.
As far as WMM and Gunt's resumes what's on paper and what they're actually producing are two different things. There are great OC/DC that suck as HC. Any proof of their talents will happen after the majority of the team isn't made up of TT picks.
@Henry posted:"Magically hurt"? You mean the broken collarbone in 2017 and the tibial plateau fracture along with MCL strain in 2018?
How do you fake broken bones?
I wonder if that would affect his footwork in 2018? You know, those two seasons that showed the franchise was in decline. Couldn't be your star player was injured and your record showed it. The whole team's record. What conclusion could be drawn from such events?
You don't have to take those kind of hits when your head coach's offense protects your sorry ass.
Murphy's biggest problem is following Bob Harlan. Really not much different than a coach following Lombardi (yes, I do put Harlan in that category).
@Tschmack posted:Rodgers isn’t going to retire and effectively pay back 30MM of his salary. Seems like a really stupid tactic unless he can easily replace that money.
If he retires for good he forfeits almost 100 million, so no, that won't happen.
I agree. I think that's why the John Jones think hurt so much without the fan base really noticing.
@Henry posted:Of course not. Rodgers absolutely is part of the problem and nobody is saying otherwise.
Your ball washing skills are slipping.
@Henry posted:I can respect you despise Rodgers but this a crazy reach. It's football.
There is this really smart 43 year old near vegan QB avoiding big hits and winning all kinds of Super Bowls. Our guy thinks he's Cam fucking Newton before the veganism destroyed him. That's DUMB.
@Henry posted:I just have a thing for reality.
It's not a good lock. Stop it!
Julio Jones went on TV today and literally said I'm out.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) May 25, 2021
Aaron Rodgers went on TV today and went out of his way to NOT say that.
BTW, I've been wanting to mention this for awhile but I give full credit to Goalline and Pakrz being Rodgers haters before this all blew up.
The rest of you, well.
I don't know how to feel about this. I agree with everything other than the 1st round WR crap.
COLIN COWHERD: 'AARON RODGERS IS MAKING EVERYONE UNCOMFORTABLE, AND I'M HERE FOR IT' | THE HERD
@Henry posted:Harlan was being responsive to a bad situation unlike Murphy when McVince and TT started to collapse. Harlan did not approve or disapprove of anything. TT went to him to ask him what he thought and the hell the organization would catch and Harlan told TT it was up to him.
I'm pretty sure a 10 minute conversation explaining why you're drafting a possible replacement vs. a 10 minute conversation about control of a franchise between the likes of Holmgren and Wolf aren't remotely in the same ballpark.
Why? Because those 10 minute conversations with QBs happen all the time around the league. I don't think a cup of tea is going to resolve a major power struggle for control of the organization between a long standing successful GM and HC at the apex of their careers. Also, Wolf lost a step because he couldn't adjust to the salary cap era. He said so himself.
Also, Sherman the GM was undone by himself. TT was undone by his failing health and the inability for others to act or acting in his stead. People talk about Holmgren mailing it in to move on, McVince just plain mailed it in.
All I'm saying is that its not like Harlan's record was spotless when it came to sorting out his subordinates, he made some mistakes that in hindsight probably set the organization back. Sherman was undone because he was not equipped to be HC and GM (very few are), something Harlan should never have entertained. Harlan said he would support whatever TT wanted to do because he left the football stuff to TT. Why didn't he say "well maybe have a 10 minute conversation with Favre and let him know..."? Because that conversation certainly did not happen with Favre. Besides, those "conversations" do not happen all the time in the league because very rarely do teams have franchise QBs over 35 that are playing at MVP levels...like maybe year 1 Peyton Manning in Denver, maybe Brady circa Garapolo drafting, any other examples? If you're drafting a QB early its because you either need a QB NOW or you think you will need a new QB shortly and very rarely does the latter coincide with an MVP. I'm not saying it didn't need to happen, obviously it did, but lets not pretend this was some routine situation that Gute botched. This was an incredibly unique, franchise shifting, career threatening move that was a gamble most teams are unwilling to take. New Orleans and New England botched their succession plans and they're stuck paying big money to Taysom Hill and a washed up Cam Newton. Yeah, GB botched it, but it doesn't mean they were wrong for having a succession plan or following their gut in the draft. TT and Wolf missed on lots of draft picks and made bonehead mistakes, hell TT blew a top 50 pick on a QB right at the beginning of Rodgers HOF tenure.