Is it like a Baby Gap jersey?
@Henry posted:There you go! Questioning my judgement . . . which is totally valid on the VD front.
NO, YOU'RE A WHORE!
Sleep around for money and they label you a whore. The world sucks.
@Chongo posted:Or maybe he was under the impression after an MVP season that Dumb and Dumber would step up and give him the contract assurances he is seeking.
Shame on him...
If this has been death by 1,000 cuts, to the point where the list is well documented, how much of Rodgers being "under the impression" should he himself own? If you knew these people were buffoons 999 previous times, why would you assume anything different from Dumb and Dumber? Did he play good soldier the past two years under the contract he signed? If they're that inept and out of touch, why would anyone assume they'd act any differently, let alone someone as high IQ as ARod?
It almost seems like the FO is being judged by what they "should" have known, while at the same time being tagged as a complete clownshow. If they don't realize the incompetent joke that they are, why would the 1,000th time yield anything different? If it's a business, and AR was guided by an impression, did the FO operate under an impression that he was playing ball while under contract and nothing more? I just think it's highly unlikely that bad communication would stem from one side only, especially in a case where one camp revels in the idea of beautiful mysteries.
If a woman sleeps with 50 men, they call her a slut. If a man sleeps with 50 men, they call it the gay lifestyle.
@Chongo posted:Obviously, Gunt and Murphy don't feel they need to treat the franchise HOF QB any different than any other player.
They know they fucked up, and are trying to win the PR war by painting 12 as an entitled diva rather than act like fucking men, and owning their shit.
Were this any other franchise, the owner would have sent them both packing by now.
How? All they’ve said is they want him to be their QB for the foreseeable future. How dare they?
@BrainDed posted:Ahhh shit. I just figured out that you are trolling. Well played, sir. You got me.
LOL, you’ve been trolling this board for 10 years so of course you think everyone else is too.
@Tschmack posted:Rodgers not exactly looking like a scrawny 175 hippie in that photo. He looks like a normal guy to me. And imbibing in the weed.
Yeah, I think all that “too skinny” shit has been over played.
@packerboi posted:The dude behind him looks ready to show up for training camp. The dude in front with the long hair looks like he's ready for another puff, puff, pass.
No pot tests during the off-season. He probably is.
@Trailrunners posted:"12 is starting to resemble a "girlie-man" from the Hans & Franz skits. He looks a buck-75."
I don't know, it seems like all this talk about Rodgers "weight" on here is getting a life of it's own. I don't know when this pic was taken, but does it look like a guy that weighs a "buck-75"? Even looks like he's got a little belly roll there. C'mon, you can do better.....
Absolutely anorexic.
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@Goalline posted:How? All they’ve said is they want him to be their QB for the foreseeable future. How dare they?
And the SOB’s gave him a new contract that had a $57 million signing bonus and Rodgers...signed it?
@Henry posted:Seriously not trying to be a dick but I don't have any other way of putting it.
Summary: why doesn't Rodgers tell the fans what he wants?
That seriously is the major blood vessel throbbing behind my eye.
No illusion here that Rodgers owes the fans anything as related to this situation. He also doesn't owe the meddling media anything, either. But if he's looking for some fair consideration from his employer, it should go without saying that he should be affording them what he expects in return. And part of that includes some responsibility concerning narrative, rather than sitting idly by while the rumors burn everything to the ground. Can't fault one side for shitty communication while watching the other side flip you the bird from Hawaii.
Except you don't know what's happening.
Also, let me post my entire post again.
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Seriously not trying to be a dick but I don't have any other way of putting it.
Summary: why doesn't Rodgers tell the fans what he wants?
It simply doesn't work that way and hence the reason I'm not particularly interested. We don't know what's happening as far as discussions. We as fans have a shaky outline but the one thing we can absolutely confirm since it's coming from all quarters is the FO fucked up in handling Rodgers and respect is the key issue.
The argument may take a different tact or flavor simply depending on whether one thinks there's a resolution or not. I personally am in the not category so any particular minutiae in defining Rodgers character or actions is meaningless. Hence, how the hell did it come to this in the first place?
I should add, how did it come this in the first place with a HOF MVP QB well within a Super Bowl window that is all but gone when he's gone. To this very minute I am just gobsmacked on how fucking daft that FO is. Not because of the Rodgers the petty, miserable, whatever whatever but because HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW YOU JUST FUCKED YOURSELF OUT OF ANY POSSIBLE CHANCE AT A SUPER BOWL BECAUSE "SHUT UP AND PLAY"? Sorry, absolutely had to fake online yell because I'm still just fucking dumbfounded by it. How are you so absolutely ironclad on moving on from Rodgers after 2021 no matter what?
That seriously is the major blood vessel throbbing behind my eye.
@artis posted:If this has been death by 1,000 cuts, to the point where the list is well documented, how much of Rodgers being "under the impression" should he himself own? If you knew these people were buffoons 999 previous times, why would you assume anything different from Dumb and Dumber? Did he play good soldier the past two years under the contract he signed? If they're that inept and out of touch, why would anyone assume they'd act any differently, let alone someone as high IQ as ARod?
It almost seems like the FO is being judged by what they "should" have known, while at the same time being tagged as a complete clownshow. If they don't realize the incompetent joke that they are, why would the 1,000th time yield anything different? If it's a business, and AR was guided by an impression, did the FO operate under an impression that he was playing ball while under contract and nothing more? I just think it's highly unlikely that bad communication would stem from one side only, especially in a case where one camp revels in the idea of beautiful mysteries.
Who holds the title of management?
This isn't angels on the head of pin. I know you're looking at this on a human level and that's why our points of view clash.
@Steve of Norway posted:And the SOB’s gave him a new contract that had a $57 million signing bonus and Rodgers...signed it?
They held a gun to his head.
@Henry posted:Who holds the title of management?
This isn't angels on the head of pin. I know you're looking at this on a human level and that's why our points of view clash.
The human level vs the business level is the essence of the rift, if we take stock in Rodgers' words. I'm not even disputing most of what you're saying. You lay your arguments out and most times they are airtight. There's nothing you've been saying that I really take issue with. I don't even really find fault with Rodgers feeling the way he does. There are legitimate gripes, just as the FO has legitimate reasons for trying to plan ahead. I think the only contention in our respective arguments might be the amount of blame we're assigning, and maybe how we are lamenting the inevitable fallout.
You want Murphy and Gute gone, and it's been well chronicled that this is hardly the only reason they should be gone. The only place I differ on that is I'm not screaming for their heads on a pike. I'm resigned to the fact that it's been significantly botched to the point that they won't survive. And the fact that the ship may sink along with the many casualties is 100% a total fucking shame. We haven't remained Packer fans through thick and thin for it to come to this, and that's mainly due to the undeniable fact that we are THE PEOPLE who will again get the shitty end of the stick. I find sufficient blame with the front office. But I won't refrain from holding 12 to account for his role in all of it. Holding him responsible in no way changes the fact that the organization has fucked this up in the most spectacular way possible.
Back in 2008, if I recall, the majority of this board was fed up with Bert's played out retirement ruse. The prevailing opinion was that the FO did what was best by putting an end to that saga. But it didn't stop anyone from pointing out how and where they had made mistakes and should have dealt with it better-Murphy trying to buy off a HOF qb being the most egregious. That's why I've been more critical of ARod this time around. It's obvious the team messed this up, but that doesn't change my opinion that Rodgers has played them like a fiddle out of some sort of selfish/mefirst super grudge where he didn't care one iota about most of the PEOPLE. There's plenty of blame to go around, and if he appreciates the GB fanbase like he claims, he would consider all collateral damage. MP2's suggestion of how AR could have managed it sums it up as well as could be. And that's where I reserve the right to take issue with the best qb I've ever watched play the game. Now, if you must, punch me in the throat.
What’s frustrating to me and a lot of fans of both AR and the team is that no many how articles we click on nothing is solved. It’s out of my control. It’s like being held hostage in a dispute between family members.
@Tschmack posted:Do we really think Rodgers wouldn’t have been pissed off had they given him a heads up? I doubt it.
A key point that focusing on the admittedly poor FO communication surrounding the pick obscures. Pretty clear that what's driving this is Gutey's choice of AR's successor itself.
@PackerPatrick posted:What’s frustrating to me and a lot of fans of both AR and the team is that no many how articles we click on nothing is solved. It’s out of my control. It’s like being held hostage in a dispute between family members.
Correct that we don't know, but it is a great story so it gets legs.
The real hostage situation is will we trade for Julio Jones
I'd prefer they find more OL or DL help.
I think on a personal level everything Rodgers stated the other day about “the people” and “the culture” I agree with. The issue I have is that door swings both ways, and he never seems to admit he might be part of the problem as well.
I mean, I have no clue what his life is like but as the saying goes actions speak louder than words. I get he’s wired a bit differently, but what he and the FO need to understand is without us fans and our support there is no Packers and no NFL.
The NFL continues to walk a tightrope in thinking they can simply continue to extract as much money as humanly possible out of the game and everyone associated with it - including players and fans. At some point, the greed is going to overtake what’s fair and reasonable and people will walk away or seek out other options. This goes for players and fans.
Having Rodgers around is one of the only reasons I still watch the Packers. And I watch less and less NFL (and Packers) as time goes on. This saga and drama doesn’t help matters one bit, and I’m sure a lot of fans feel the same way.
@Tschmack posted:I think on a personal level everything Rodgers stated the other day about “the people” and “the culture” I agree with. The issue I have is that door swings both ways, and he never seems to admit he might be part of the problem as well.
You are absolutely correct that the door swings both ways. I think there is an equal amount of blame on both sides and no one is more responsible than the other. In any relationship with "people" it is a two way street and typically there is blame on both sides.
I think Murphy is a complete and total toolbox and I am on the record saying he needs to go but I think the thing that came out awhile back is very telling to me. It was the rumored conversation where he told Cheech to not be the problem. Should he have said that hell no and he is a tool for saying it but at the same time it could be very telling that perhaps Cheech is a complete diva behind the scenes.
Am I the only one who thinks Rodgers head looks superimposed on that body? I don’t think he’s really in Hawaii. Most likely in Denver practicing with his new teammates on some obscure high school field.
In all seriousness, maybe all the cloak and dagger shit right now because a trade is in place that doesn’t go down until June 1 or after and no one can say shit to eff it up. Don’t know league rules. Just my random thought like everyone else has.
I also though War Dogs was a great film.
@Tavis Smiley posted:Am I the only one who thinks Rodgers head looks superimposed on that body? I don’t think he’s really in Hawaii. Most likely in Denver practicing with his new teammates on some obscure high school field.
Homeboy looks less like he's on an Ayurvedic diet and more on a stoner's diet.
MVP...no kids, yet has a dad bod
@Tavis Smiley posted:I also though War Dogs was a great film.
Miles Teller was also very good in the film Whiplash. This summer is going to be a big factor in where his career goes. If the Top Gun sequel hits big, he may become a major A-lister in Hollywood. If it bombs and he's considered one of the reasons why he'll become just an afterthought in terms of ever being a leading guy.
Do we think Ron Wolf called Majik to give him a heads up before trading a 1st round pick to ATL for a 2nd round pick QB that ATL wanted to ditch only a year later? A QB that, to this day, pronounces it “Wes-consin”. 😀
Now that this thread has hit 66 pages, do you think we can get Rodgers and everyone else involved in this saga to go on record to see if they think we should have gone for 2 in the Cardinals playoff game after the Rodgers to Janis Hail Mary? That would address the two biggest questions ever debated on this board.
@Grave Digger posted:Do we think Ron Wolf called Majik to give him a heads up before trading a 1st round pick to ATL for a 2nd round pick QB that ATL wanted to ditch only a year later? A QB that, to this day, pronounces it “Wes-consin”. 😀
TBF, at that time cell phones weighed 15lbs and cost $14 a minute to use. A 14.4kbps modem was essentially the fiberoptic cable of the day.
With the advent of the interwebs and social media, the expectation of more frequent and speedy communication with employees is high.
@RochNyFan posted:Shailene is looking a bit rough.
Who's the other guy with the twelve year old girlfriend?
We’re all in agreement that Rodgers is 100% a Scientologist now though, right? Look at this photo and tell me this guy isnt checking his engrams on the daily…
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@Grave Digger posted:Do we think Ron Wolf called Majik to give him a heads up before trading a 1st round pick to ATL for a 2nd round pick QB that ATL wanted to ditch only a year later? A QB that, to this day, pronounces it “Wes-consin”. 😀
The Majik man was coming off two years in which he played half the games and went 6-10 as a starter. He threw 13 TDs against 20 interceptions.
That 1989 season was magical though, especially for someone like me who was too young to remember even the 1972 playoffs and for whom the trade for John Jefferson was the pinnacle of my Packer memories. I remember thinking as a 12-year-old, we got Lofton, Jefferson, Coffman, and Ivery? Super Bowl here we come.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:The Majik man was coming off two years in which he played half the games and went 6-10 as a starter. He threw 13 TDs against 20 interceptions.
That 1989 season was magical though, especially for someone like me who was too young to remember even the 1972 playoffs and for whom the trade for John Jefferson was the pinnacle of my Packer memories. I remember thinking as a 12-year-old, we got Lofton, Jefferson, Coffman, and Ivery? Super Bowl here we come.
Michigan, I am right there with you. I only have a vague memory of 1972 so the first real playoff experience of my life (I only sort of count the strike year playoffs) was in the early 90s. Shoot the Jefferson trade sure was a high point in the 80's but I also remember getting excited when they got to 8-8.
I don't think Wolfe ever talked to Majik and he was always on record saying he would draft a QB every year. Could you imagine X4 was around in 1992 and the reaction to the Favre trade?