Rodgers Wants A New Contract?

@The Heckler posted:

Michigan, I am right there with you.  I only have a vague memory of 1972 so the first real playoff experience of my life (I only sort of count the strike year playoffs) was in the early 90s.   Shoot the Jefferson trade sure was a high point in the 80's but I also remember getting excited when they got to 8-8.

I don't think Wolfe ever talked to Majik and he was always on record saying he would draft a QB every year.  Could you imagine X4 was around in 1992 and the reaction to the Favre trade? 

I thought the trade sounded idiotic, but remember thinking that at least he didn't give up two 1st, two 2nds, and a third like they did for Hadl.

Yes! 1972 and 1989 were 2 of my favorite seasons---I too thought the Pack would be resurgent with that '72 group....and then came the Hadl trade...although drafting Tagge in the first round didn't help....

So in  a 'history kind of repeating itself but not really' manner---this time  we could  be the team that trades Aaron Hadl Rodgers and gets the draft picks that brings about a new order ... or perhaps the draft of Jordan Tagge Love will sink us.

I'm a bad judge of character and I have never been in love with Gute and Murphy, so maybe this is another example of my poor personal  gauging abilities. Maybe Gute is a genius. In 2020 his mind might have been a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives. He recognized that Jordan Love would be ready in 2021. He recognized that  by trading up to draft him without telling A-Rod it would set off a fury in number 12 that could be matched by none in hell. 12 would deal with this by having an MVP year..the Packers might even win the Super Bowl (and might have if 12 would have ran for the flag on 3rd and goal with 2:11 left).....afterward, 12 would be done with Green Bay and act in a way that no one would care if he was traded. Gute could load up on a Hadlesque bounty. --an inside linebacker a DT, a right tackle and receiver to take Adams place.....Crafty bastard!

In related news, My wife saw a photo of 12 in Hawaii on some hollywood web page. She  yelled at me:  "Hey your boy looks pretty rough"..I told her he was doing some kind of detox cleansing...My wife who has a standing order for some pretty intrusive procedures said : "He could have just gotten a colonoscopy"

Your wife sounds brilliant. Touche, Mrs Johnson, touche.

@Grave Digger posted:

We’re all in agreement that Rodgers is 100% a Scientologist now though, right? Look at this photo and tell me this guy isnt checking his engrams on the daily…

Who's the homely guy in front of him?

So not only did the idiot GM Gute try to trade up for Jefferson and Aiyuk, he stated  plainly that if a QB were available too, he wouldn’t hesitate in taking him. Wasn’t hiding it or keeping it a secret from Rodgers or anyone. Hell, more than once I picked Love in one of those GM draft website mock drafts.

This idea that the “personnel guy” doesn’t know what he’s doing or is just giving the finger to the players is absurd. He’s built a damn good team and brought in some good FO guys (Hendrickson) and promoted some to key positions that have helped this organization. It will probably never have the brain power of Ted’s first couple years where he had Schneider, Dorsey, McKenzie, Wolf, Highsmith, etc..but they’re not dumb by any standard. Just because some blowhard says they are doesn’t make it so..

"He’s built a damn good team"

Well, we will see how accurate that is if we play the season without 12.    I'm guessing 8-8 at best.

I think Gute is a really good personnel guy. He’s made some good draft picks and free agent moves.  On the other hand, I don’t know that he’s a good communicator or an effective sounding board to the players.

The funny part is I could say the same thing about Rodgers. Elite physical skills and abilities, not sure he’s a good relationship guy or a decent communicator either.  You almost need an interpreter to figure out WTF he is talking about.

What’s clear, based on personnel moves over the last 3 off-seasons, is that Gute is giving his HC the team he wants. MLF wants this roster to be a run first, defensive team that doesn’t have to rely on the QB so heavily. Polar opposite of the McCarthy teams that relied so heavily on the QB. Whether this is the right direction or the wrong direction is TBD, again we need to see this group win without Rodgers before any judgements can be made.

@RochNyFan posted:

Who's the homely guy in front of him?

She needs to “put on her face”

Wait, Aaron Rodgers is hanging out with the kid from Whiplash? Sure JK Simmons knocked it out of the park, and had the juiciest role, but Miles was great too. Best movie of the 2010s for my money.

@Grave Digger posted:

What’s clear, based on personnel moves over the last 3 off-seasons, is that Gute is giving his HC the team he wants. MLF wants this roster to be a run first, defensive team that doesn’t have to rely on the QB so heavily. Polar opposite of the McCarthy teams that relied so heavily on the QB. Whether this is the right direction or the wrong direction is TBD, again we need to see this group win without Rodgers before any judgements can be made.

Right? Yet, the ball washers want to know why he would pay Aaron Jones or why he took a RB in the second round last year.  The cognitive dissonance around here.

@Grave Digger posted:

What’s clear, based on personnel moves over the last 3 off-seasons, is that Gute is giving his HC the team he wants. MLF wants this roster to be a run first, defensive team that doesn’t have to rely on the QB so heavily. Polar opposite of the McCarthy teams that relied so heavily on the QB. Whether this is the right direction or the wrong direction is TBD, again we need to see this group win without Rodgers before any judgements can be made.

I think there is a lot of merit to this. MLF can say all he wants how AR is his QB, but his live reaction when Love has picked said otherwise at the time. I know what McGinn is, but I think there was some truth to his "MLF has just had it with AR not buying in" take . Listening to guys within the NFL; AR did not initially buy in based on; 1) He had no input in the hire and based on MLF's resume, he didn't seem like a great candidate. MLF got the job based on his interview, which AR wasn't in on and thus didn't have a chance to be impressed 2) AR didn't like 2 things about the offensive system a) He didn't like motion (I haven't heard it explained why) b) He didn't like turning his back to the defense when running play action - he felt it was a disadvantage to not always be seeing the defense. Perhaps based on these factors, MLF felt that he was never going to get AR to completely buy in. Then a crazy thing happened .... COVID lockdown, which resulted in much more communication and mental "melding" than ever before because it was all they could do. Some may say it was because of the Love pick and a desire to prove the FO wrong, but more likely it was MLF having a chance to "sell" AR on the system and AR having a chance to convince MLF to modify some things in the offense and we all saw the results. So in retrospect a lot of "we could have done things differently to go around" Murphy , Gunt, MLF, & AR all had a part in where we are today.

@Goalline posted:

Right? Yet, the ball washers want to know why he would pay Aaron Jones or why he took a RB in the second round last year.  The cognitive dissonance around here.

Also why he brought back Mercedes Lewis, a guy, ironically, that Rodgers has talked up a lot in how important he is to the team.

Rodgers is at the age where he probably likes having another older guy around.

And brought the aging TE back for TWO YEARS!

Talk about a wrench in the plans!

@Grave Digger posted:

What’s clear, based on personnel moves over the last 3 off-seasons, is that Gute is giving his HC the team he wants. MLF wants this roster to be a run first, defensive team that doesn’t have to rely on the QB so heavily. Polar opposite of the McCarthy teams that relied so heavily on the QB. Whether this is the right direction or the wrong direction is TBD, again we need to see this group win without Rodgers before any judgements can be made.

Also, McCarthy would whine a lot, especially later on, how the FO didn’t draft guys he wanted or complained they didn’t try to get his type of guys. Ted would draft square pegs and expect the coaches to fit into the round holes. I recall some talk show stating Campen was on the coaches heavily relied upon to do that.

Remember guys like Mike Neal and Datone Jones and Randall & Rollins in 2015. But Ted did really shine finding non 1st receiver talent for McCarthy’s offense. Not necessarily needed for MLF’s offense.

You can’t blame Ted for his last 2-3 drafts. There is no way he was selecting those players.  Russ Ball was likely the decision maker.  

I read today that given the 2022 cap, the ceiling is 208.2MM.  If that’s the case, they are almost 30MM over.  

I’m sure the Packers FO was expecting this hence 2021 being Rodgers last year in GB.  There is no way they can keep him if those numbers are correct.  I’m sure Rodgers knows this as well.

If Rodgers sticks around he can easily restructure or extend his contract. Being over the 2022 cap is not a big deal.

@Tschmack posted:

I think Gute is a really good personnel guy. He’s made some good draft picks and free agent moves.  On the other hand, I don’t know that he’s a good communicator or an effective sounding board to the players.

I think the three silo structure contributes to this. They know Gute really doesn't control the checkbook (like TT or Ron Wolf did). Communication for a GM in the NFL really means dealing with the agents and players to negotiate contract extensions. It's hard for him if he doesn't have this leverage (which instead seems to go to Russ Ball and Murphy).

It's got to be irritating to players and agents to talk to Gute and have him say "well, I want to do this but I have to talk to Russ Ball first to get his permission"

@Grave Digger posted:

What’s clear, based on personnel moves over the last 3 off-seasons, is that Gute is giving his HC the team he wants. MLF wants this roster to be a run first, defensive team that doesn’t have to rely on the QB so heavily.

And if you think about it, this philosophy is easier to attain then trying to find another HOF generational QB, who by the way, will eventually suck up a ton of your cap.

If the 9ers and Rams had a QB a notch or 2 above Goff and Jimmy G, they probably have rings. I do not think they needed a Rodgers, Brees, or Brady to have won it all with those defenses and offensive scheme.

Which is why the Rams, if they have a healthy Stafford, are more then likely legit SB contenders.

“Mayo doesn’t want an MVP QB on the team” is an interesting take

@4 Favre posted:

Wait, Aaron Rodgers is hanging out with the kid from Whiplash? Sure JK Simmons knocked it out of the park, and had the juiciest role, but Miles was great too. Best movie of the 2010s for my money.

That really was a great movie.  

As for that pic of Rodgers, Teller, and the women, when you see that you would never guess in a million years that the guy in the front was one of the best QBs to ever live.  He looks like a regular dorky guy and not the exceptional athlete he really is.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

I think the three silo structure contributes to this. They know Gute really doesn't control the checkbook (like TT or Ron Wolf did). Communication for a GM in the NFL really means dealing with the agents and players to negotiate contract extensions. It's hard for him if he doesn't have this leverage (which instead seems to go to Russ Ball and Murphy).

It's got to be irritating to players and agents to talk to Gute and have him say "well, I want to do this but I have to talk to Russ Ball first to get his permission"

I heard Mike Lombardi on NFL radio a couple of weeks ago say "everyone in the NFL knows that Murphy calls all the shots in GB".

Wolf drafted a QB all the time because he was the Boss and no one else was going to tell him otherwise. If they had tried, he was gone.

@Packiderm posted:

Wolf drafted a QB all the time because he was the Boss and no one else was going to tell him otherwise. If they had tried, he was gone.

Quarterback school. Trade bait.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

“Mayo doesn’t want an MVP QB on the team” is an interesting take

I think MLF wants a Shane Falco but he’s stuck with an Eddie Martel.

@fightphoe93 posted:

That really was a great movie.  

As for that pic of Rodgers, Teller, and the women, when you see that you would never guess in a million years that the guy in the front was one of the best QBs to ever live.  He looks like a regular dorky guy and not the exceptional athlete he really is.

Right down to the girlfriend... I take it as a sign of personal growth that after starting to edit together a Shailene/Blobfish meme I thought better of it and closed down my graphics editor.

I think part of it is that in modern society 'being ripped' for the sake of aesthetics is more of a thing than functional athleticism. It's hilarious seeing people criticize his 'dad bod' as if he's someone who hasn't managed his physique properly. Like, this ain't fat Eddie Lacy spending too much time at the Krispy Kreme and flaming out of the league fairly early even by running back standards.

@fightphoe93 posted:

That really was a great movie.  

As for that pic of Rodgers, Teller, and the women, when you see that you would never guess in a million years that the guy in the front was one of the best QBs to ever live.  He looks like a regular dorky guy and not the exceptional athlete he really is.

Has anyone ever seen Peyton Manning without his shirt on?  I bet he looks like Fred from Accounting.

People criticizing Rodgers or his fiancée is hilarious.  I mean, 1/3 of the adult population in this country is fat - or obese - and he’s probably in better shape than 90% of his critics.

Only in America.  

We are a nation of fat, stupid, lazy know it all experts that camp out on social media and talk shit and act like we better than everyone.  We don’t and we aren’t.  Post less.  Do more.  Make a real difference.

Idk it seems like we have some pretty quality sports nutrition and body composition experts here at X4 who are able to diagnose his malnutrition and muscle mass deficiencies from a photo.

@4 Favre posted:

Right down to the girlfriend... I take it as a sign of personal growth that after starting to edit together a Shailene/Blobfish meme I thought better of it and closed down my graphics editor.

I think part of it is that in modern society 'being ripped' for the sake of aesthetics is more of a thing than functional athleticism. It's hilarious seeing people criticize his 'dad bod' as if he's someone who hasn't managed his physique properly. Like, this ain't fat Eddie Lacy spending too much time at the Krispy Kreme and flaming out of the league fairly early even by running back standards.

Congrats on your late growth spurt.

I just want to tell you good luck, we're all rooting for you.

@Grave Digger posted:

I think MLF wants a Shane Falco but he’s stuck with an Eddie Martel.

If your Falco lead is correct, a lot of things start making more sense

@Tschmack posted:

We are a nation of fat, stupid, lazy know it all experts that camp out on social media and talk shit and act like we better than everyone.  We don’t and we aren’t.  Post less.  Do more.  Make a real difference.

@antooo posted:

Congrats on your late growth spurt.

I just want to tell you good luck, we're all rooting for you.

WTF STFU you blobfishlooking SOB!

Ya know, the blobfish isn't actually that ugly, it just lives at depth where if we drag it up to the surface the pressure changes really do a number on its poor corpse.

In its world, it's just a slightly weird looking fish getting by:

@Steve of Norway posted:

Ted would draft square pegs and expect the coaches to fit into the round holes. I recall some talk show stating Campen was on the coaches heavily relied upon to do that.

Yes, such square pegs as Josh Sitton, TJ Lang, Brian Buluga and David Bakhtiari just for starters. 

I think they were all place kickers before that.

TBF he did draft a fair amount of zone corners when the defense was set up to play more man coverage and inside linebackers who couldn't run.

@Henry posted:

Yes, such square pegs as Josh Sitton, TJ Lang, Brian Buluga and David Bakhtiari just for starters.

I think they were all place kickers before that.

Fine draft picks, considering Bulaga was the only 1st rounder. But tell me about the Neal and Datone Jones experiments. And Randall and Rollins. How about Sherrod and Jerel Worthy? All high picks too btw..can’t forget Harrell, but Kenny Clark more than negated that one.

Again, was never anti Ted, he would still find gems in the draft, but he insisted on drafting guys and assuming Campen,Whitt, Greene and Perry to polish these guys. Sometimes they did wonders, others didn’t pan out.

Just saying Gute is working more with MLF for his offense since it’s not hero ball anymore.

@FLPACKER posted:

I heard Mike Lombardi on NFL radio a couple of weeks ago say "everyone in the NFL knows that Murphy calls all the shots in GB".

Except, it seems, to tell his coaching staff to tell Rodgers that they are going to draft another QB, in the draft, before hand. This, after they did the same thing to Favre, when they drafted Rodgers. Epic fail on Murphy's part.

@Steve of Norway posted:

So not only did the idiot GM Gute try to trade up for Jefferson and Aiyuk, he stated  plainly that if a QB were available too, he wouldn’t hesitate in taking him. Wasn’t hiding it or keeping it a secret from Rodgers or anyone. Hell, more than once I picked Love in one of those GM draft website mock drafts.

This idea that the “personnel guy” doesn’t know what he’s doing or is just giving the finger to the players is absurd. He’s built a damn good team and brought in some good FO guys (Hendrickson) and promoted some to key positions that have helped this organization. It will probably never have the brain power of Ted’s first couple years where he had Schneider, Dorsey, McKenzie, Wolf, Highsmith, etc..but they’re not dumb by any standard. Just because some blowhard says they are doesn’t make it so..

Norway,  this is one thing that is never brought up too much and that is Gute said in an interview he would take a QB high in the draft if there was a guy there he wanted.  Not sure I agree with trading up to get him but that is yet to be determined down the road when we see if Love can really play.

But, that being said yes they should have called Rodgers but Cheech should have known that it was a real possibility it could happen.  Shoot he WAS a guy who replaced a legend at one point. 

We don't know everything. We think we know based on leaks, piecing together information, etc.

Both sides are trying to save face right now, and the mechanism is through leaks.

People want to assume 12 is the problem here...he's the diva and pulling the "don't you know who I am card."

But what about Gurt and WMM? Are they also not pulling the "don't you know who we are?" card and hiding behind the organization?

There's whole lotta dick-swingin' going on from both sides. It's getting old.