@Henry posted:The FO came to him with a weak restructure with the same ability to jettison him.
Link?
@Fandame posted:I wonder, and I'm serious, if LeBron or Giannis or any NBA or any other league pro player gets called before the draft to say either a) "Hey, you wanna make the choice?" or b) "We're gonna draft someone who might take your spot."
The Lakers front office doesn't breathe without checking with Lebron or Klutch Sports first.
The Bucks front office is paying Thanasis 1.7 million a year. Luckily, he's a decent end of the bench player and he's a great teammate, but he's not on the roster if his name is Thanasis Jones.
Superstar NFL QBs want exactly what superstar NBA players want - as much control as possible.
@Goalline posted:Link?
Report: Packers approached QB Aaron Rodgers about contract restructure in January
All the recent reporting stated they came to him with a restructure. It was only after he told them to fuck off that they came back with a kiss your ass extension, which seems to be missing the point of security not money.
I mean, look at what James Harden did. Or Kahwi Leonard. Or Jimmy Butler. They basically quit on their teams or were completely insubordinate to force their way out of their respective teams for “greener pastures.”
Then look at Giannis. He basically told the team they needed to improve or he would bail. They traded for Holiday and thankfully he extended as did Giannis. But that was a risky proposition nonetheless.
The NBA though is a different deal compared to the NFL. A star player - or two on a team- can totally compete legitimately for a title. Kobe and Shaq. MJ and Pippen. LeBron and AD. Bird and McHale. Oscar and Kareem. Three stars is even better. Take Golden State. The Spurs dynasty. Showtime Lakers.
In the NFL, it’s been proven that you can have a serviceable to above average QB to win a title - if the defense and other aspects of the team and coaching are studs. Think Eli Manning Giants. 85 Bears. 2000 Ravens. 2002 Bucs.
You can have a HOF QB and still not win it all year after year, or unless they have a good compliment of players around them. Elway, Peyton Manning, hell Dan Marino all should have won a lot more SBs if it was just about the QB. Favre and Rodgers as well.
The issue I see is that as currently constructed the roster around Rodgers is not elite. So if you take Rodgers off the team the dropoff is significant. But the dilemma is once a QB gets past their rookie contract it’s tough to round out the roster.
The phone call to Rodgers thing is stupid. Suck it up 12. Jesus fuck....
My concern with Rodgers is how long he can play at the level he did last season. We're talking about a guy towards the end of his career. When does the drop off occur? Normally, guys aren't playing this well this late in their careers. Brees and and Brady are clearly the exception rather than the rule. Rodgers wants to play into his 40's, but can he at this level? Is it prudent to give him some kind of "You'll be a Packer for life, guaranteed" contract at this point in his career? Anybody gonna be happy having a once-great QB making 40 million a year after he takes a poop at the 50 yard line and GB is stuck with that contract? I'd like to see a contract that pays him very well as long as he is playing at an elite level. It seems to me that contract may already be in place... you know, the one just fucking signed a few years ago.
The same guys bitching about Gunt drafting Love would be the same guys bitching if Rodgers goes to shit and Gunt didn't have a plan in place.
That's not how it works whether we like it or not. Ask Brandt and Holmgren.
As far as a plan, Dumb Gunt started about 3 years too early, hell since he got the gig. Drew Lock? Kizer? There's an eye for talent. The kicker is not only did he manage to piss off the HOF QB who just came off a MVP season but he's also likely doomed himself to getting zero production (and likely value) out of the guy he moved up to draft because of the time frame.
Dumb Gunt fucked himself. That's horseshit management.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:The Lakers front office doesn't breathe without checking with Lebron or Klutch Sports first.
The Bucks front office is paying Thanasis 1.7 million a year. Luckily, he's a decent end of the bench player and he's a great teammate, but he's not on the roster if his name is Thanasis Jones.
Superstar NFL QBs want exactly what superstar NBA players want - as much control as possible.
So, in other words they are all self entitled babies? Got it!
So this just hit me about another layer of idiocy that is the Packers FO and the benefits of actually communicating with your cry baby, thin skinned, fan created villainy of a HOF QB coming off a MVP season.
Wouldn't you at least want some measure of what your QB was thinking so you could gauge a time frame for this kind of transition?
Think about it. These dopes in the FO basically set up a timeline for QB succession with little thought of the variables and little room for failure. They looked at Rodgers contract and the only thing they thought was it allowed them to jettison him after 2021. Not his desire to play, maybe even produce an MVP season. They are thinking in this absurd linear plan that is complete fantasy when you're dealing with people, particularly people with big egos.
They stuck with the "shut up and play" bit and now it's biting them in the ass.
Seriously, how could you not understand and assess the overall ramifications over an extended time period with a HOF QB and drafting his replacement? What if Rodgers plays well into his 40's, which is not unrealistic? Do you really think you'll get the same value for a Love trade or are you just going to try and renew his contract (like he would)?
Ball was the idiot that decided they didn't need Peppers anymore and let guys like Hyde walk. To be fair, The Wizard didn't know how to utilize Hyde anyways. He and Murphy were the schmucks who thought paying Rizzi wasn't worth it.
It's like a bean counter mentality with zero awareness of the HUGE human element in managing a team of, you know, people.
@Pakrz posted:T. Brees and and Brady are clearly the exception rather than the rule. Rodgers wants to play into his 40's, but can he at this level?
He certainly isn't as smart with his body as those guys. He has taken some ridiculously stupid hits in his career, because he won't let the ball go.
Ball and Murphy should be fired tomorrow.
That is all.
@Goalline posted:He certainly isn't as smart with his body as those guys. He has taken some ridiculously stupid hits in his career, because he won't let the ball go.
Aaron Rodgers Borrowing From Tom Brady's TB12 Method in Pursuit of Football Immortality
You're actually going to blame him for the hits he's taken? It's football.
Yes, holding the ball for 10 years against the best pass rushes in the league is stupidity.
@Pakrz posted:The phone call to Rodgers thing is stupid. Suck it up 12. Jesus fuck....
My concern with Rodgers is how long he can play at the level he did last season. We're talking about a guy towards the end of his career. When does the drop off occur? Normally, guys aren't playing this well this late in their careers. Brees and and Brady are clearly the exception rather than the rule. Rodgers wants to play into his 40's, but can he at this level? Is it prudent to give him some kind of "You'll be a Packer for life, guaranteed" contract at this point in his career? .
Credit to @Boris for pointing this out first to me, because I have now heard multiple local media guys comment and wonder what's up with Rodgers weight?
According to reports, especially noticeable at the Derby, is that it looks like Rodgers lost 20 + pounds. To a point where he looks too thin now. So then same media guys are asking is this due to his going vegetarian ? Vegan? (insert the blame girlfriend comment here).
I don't give a shit if he is. Other NFL players have gone that route and been fine. But regardless, an aging QB who doesn't have the mobility he did in his 20's and is now dropping possibly too much weight is concerning.
Of course, a change in diet can put that weight back on. But it's now more then a few that have noticed and have wondered what's going on..
The thing I can't understand is why those tough guys in the FO are such a bunch of pussies and don't pull the trigger on Love right now? Shit, they got teams lining up to trade for Rodgers and Love is a lock according the Dumb Gunt.
It's like those pussies in Texas that keep talking about seceding but they don't have the balls to do anything about it.
Come on tough guy Murphy, tough guy Gunt, you got this all figured out. Pull the trigger you hot stack of pusscakes.
It's ironic that Henry is the one pointing out the importance of protecting relationships, but he's right. Business isn't just about numbers, it's about people. EVEN IF the Packers were planning on dumping Rodgers and EVEN IF such a decision wasn't moronic, they should still have been doing everything possible to part on good terms given that Rodgers has been the face of the franchise since Favre left. To not do so is a business failure.
@Goalline posted:Brady's super power is that he leaves money on the table so the team can sign the best quality teammates possible. Gute has shown that he is more than willing to sign quality free agents if he has the cap room. Aaron should allow the team some cap room to sign some free agents.
No other player in the NFL has a wife that is worth 400 million dollars ...... could that have something to do with Brady taking less?
@FLPACKER posted:No other player in the NFL has a wife that is worth 400 million dollars ...... could that have something to do with Brady taking less?
I doubt Rodgers is going to starve if he made Brady type money.
@Dr._Bob posted:It's ironic that Henry is the one pointing out the importance of protecting relationships, but he's right. Business isn't just about numbers, it's about people. EVEN IF the Packers were planning on dumping Rodgers and EVEN IF such a decision wasn't moronic, they should still have been doing everything possible to part on good terms given that Rodgers has been the face of the franchise since Favre left. To not do so is a business failure.
I think we all agree that Gute fucked up by not kissing Aaron’s butt. Doesn’t make Aaron’s reaction any less pathetic.
The whole thing sucks including Rodgers reaction. Problem is the FO is so fucking clueless they literally chose throwing the franchise away to make a point about who runs the show.
@Henry posted:It did happen. Just like Ariens giving Tom Brady a call about drafting a QB this year.
It's managing people. My god, Brandt, Holmgren called bullshit on the FO for not handling the situation. Even Dumb Gunt said he maybe kinda should've gave Rodgers a heads up. A phone call, a simple friggin' phone call.
Holmgren? Really? Fuck Holmgren. And while your at it, fuck Murphy too.
Yep, Holmgren. A guy that knows something about dealing with diva QBs.
@Henry posted:It did happen. Just like Ariens giving Tom Brady a call about drafting a QB this year.
It's managing people. My god, Brandt, Holmgren called bullshit on the FO for not handling the situation. Even Dumb Gunt said he maybe kinda should've gave Rodgers a heads up. A phone call, a simple friggin' phone call.
Gee, I wish my boss had called me before he hired the last lazy ass.
@Henry posted:The whole thing sucks including Rodgers reaction. Problem is the FO is so fucking clueless they literally chose throwing the franchise away to make a point about who runs the show.
Why do you personally have such a burr up your ass over the FO...and Gutenkust...wait, you must’ve been hankering for Eliot Wolf or John Dorsey..or Schneider.
@Henry posted:Yep, Holmgren. A guy that knows something about dealing with diva QBs.
His diva qb was a diva already in '97-'98 and had an active drug problem to boot, and his head was at least halfway to Seattle in that last year. Maybe he knew something about his diva that made him pine for greener pastures? His track record with qbs as the years went by didn't exactly reinforce his stature as a diva whisperer, either. I'd take Mike's opinion with a grain of salt like we should remember with most of those being invited to chime in. I've been gravitating toward James jones and Kuhn because I want 12 to be a Packer, but taking one word over another's means very little at this point.
@Steve of Norway posted:Why do you personally have such a burr up your ass over the FO...and Gutenkust...wait, you must’ve been hankering for Eliot Wolf or John Dorsey..or Schneider.
Go play with your toys cupcake. The adults are talking.
Using Schneider and Dorsey as a juxtaposition to Gunt doesn’t exactly help your pitiful attempt at snark.
@artis posted:His diva qb was a diva already in '97-'98 and had an active drug problem to boot, and his head was at least halfway to Seattle in that last year. Maybe he knew something about his diva that made him pine for greener pastures? His track record with qbs as the years went by didn't exactly reinforce his stature as a diva whisperer, either. I'd take Mike's opinion with a grain of salt like we should remember with most of those being invited to chime in. I've been gravitating toward James jones and Kuhn because I want 12 to be a Packer, but taking one word over another's means very little at this point.
He worked with those other two lunch pailers, Montana and Young.
The reality is I don’t need Brandt or Holmgren to back up my statements because this is basic human nature. Add in they’d been around Rodgers for years. If those clowns in the FO can’t figure out basic human interactions they’re probably somewhere on the spectrum.
That can’t be right because people on the spectrum are earnest if misunderstood. These dinks just have their heads too far up each other’s silos.
@Henry posted:Go play with your toys cupcake. The adults are talking.
Using Schneider and Dorsey as a juxtaposition to Gunt doesn’t exactly help your pitiful attempt at snark.
It’s a serious question..all you do is bitch bitch bitch..where did "Gunt” hurt you personally Henry..
We've got 48 pages of an issue that didn't exist and doesn't need to exist.
You are one dumb homer.
And 24 of those pages are you bitching about Gute.
Broken record much?
It is a bit ironic that self serving and self centered people like Brent and Holmy are weighing in on this. I mean, didn’t one force his way out and the other basically quit on the team? While I appreciate everything they’ve done for the Packers, their “insight” means as much as just about any of us fans. In other words, not very much.
On the other hand, I really trust and believe a lot of what a guy like James Jones or Andrew Brandt have to say. In particular, Brandt would have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the FO and player interactions and relationships and doesn’t pull any punches.
I would highly recommend listening to his appearance on the Jim Rome podcast as I think he has nailed this situation and more importantly what can be done (if anything) to remedy the situation. In short, he compliments the FO and critiques them as well which is fair - and quite honestly this is coming from a guy that would know. His description of Ted in particular was fascinating. Basically, he described TT as a HOF level scout and player evaluator with the interactive skills of a 3rd grader. But they knew what they knew and had others (like Brandt) be the intermediary and sounding board to players.
I don’t mind Hank hammering on Gute or Murphy or Ball because let’s be honest - McGinn and others predicted this when they put that stupid triangle of authority structure in place. The dysfunction was exacerbated even more when Brandt pulled back the curtain a bit to talk about the FO culture. If being “inclusive” is all the rage, then the Packers are running this organization like it’s the 1920s mining industry or oil industry. In other words, it’s too much about the bottom line and relationships with the employees that make them the money don’t seem to matter much.
So there you have it.
Yes people will get emotional and take sides it’s human nature. Who cares? It’s fucking football not life or death. I hope they can work this out but if they don’t well life moves on. I mean, what are we talking about here? Rich players and power hungry slappies in the FO generally care only about themselves all while giving the appearance it’s about game. No, it’s about getting yours. These greedy fucks are following the NFL playbook page by page - extract as much money as humanly possible and who cares who gets burned or stepped on in the process.
You’ve touched on the meaning of life:
Get yours.
Get out.
Fuck everyone.
I’m living that dream.
But that’s my point. It isn’t brain surgery and why should we act surprised at this shit? Quite honestly, you need to have some edge and attitude and ego to survive in the NFL and it’s a chew you up and spit you out business. If you think Rodgers or the Packers FO really cares about the fans or what we think you haven’t been following the NFL long enough.
@H5 posted:So I was on the YouTube earlier and this showed up in the suggestions.
I looked at the caption and wondered, "So, Does ANYONE Really Know Yet IF Aaron Rodgers Is Mad at the Packers??"
109 days, and nothing has changed.
The only thing that, to me seems based in some ‘truth’ is coming from Kuhn. He Said he is friends with and has talked with AR recently. He said that there is a 70 to 75% chance that AR comes back. If all that is true than there must be some kind of dispute or disagreement between them. Whether that is money, length of contract, team direction or just plain personalities, who knows.
Looks to me that there is a 25 to 30% chance that he will remain a Packer, for how long and whether he is a happy camper is the question.
@Tschmack posted:On the other hand, I really trust and believe a lot of what a guy like James Jones or Andrew Brandt have to say. In particular, Brandt would have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the FO and player interactions and relationships and doesn’t pull any punches.
Brandt is one of my favorite twitter follows. Always has something insightful to add. I highly recommend signing up for his Sunday newsletter.