A championship roster would preclude winning a championship. That hasn't happened since 2010.
@PackLandVA posted:Anyone think this would be a good haul going into the draft in a couple of weeks?
Schrager proposes the Raiders give up quarterback Derek Carr, wideout Henry Ruggs, defensive end Maxx Crosby and a first-round pick in 2021 and 2022 and a second-round pick in 2022. That might be enough for the Packers to actually consider making a move.
I don't have a website to float my brain farts, like NFL analcyst Peter Schrager does, but I have found that if I eat a high-fat diet for 24 hours, I can float a turd in the toilet bowl.
Seriously, it's not that hard. Almost anyone can do it.
Nobody's stopping you from starting your own website.
You could become as famous as Mike Florio.
“A restructured deal could make sense for both sides, but it’s not a given that Rodgers is in a cooperative mood right now.” What mood is he in??? Hope the love mood, with oh wait, he’s got a fiancé??
All I know when I hear the constant Rodgers speculation is man.... the offseason can really suck sometimes.
I think we'll have a better idea if this is Rodgers' final season in GB coming up if we see signs of obvious greatness from Love in training camp and pre-season. If they don't see high level potential though, I hope we see Rodgers finish out this contract plus maybe add a year.
fo93, that's not an option. They have to/had to restructure Rodgers contract this year. Doing it next off-season would only show how ill-informed the media is.
Not on Russ Balls watch!
lol
— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) April 11, 2021
no team spends less in free agency than the Packers...
nothing to do w Rodgers contract (signed in 2018)
Free Agency $ Spent 2011-17:
1. Jaguars $835M (73 players signed)
2. Bucs
3. Bears
avg: $437M (81 players)
30. Bengals
31. Steelers
32. Packers $181M (39 players) https://t.co/yaU2i0ZKSQ
With Jacksonville on top, clearly, spending lots of money in free agency will buy you nothing but wild success.
So doing a shitty job at drafting and evaluating your own talent puts you at the top of the free agent spending list. Who woulda thought that?
I forget who it was that stated it recently, a GM/front office type, the comment was made that free agency is your reward for being substandard at drafting and developing players.
Assuming what Rap reported is true (and that’s a safe assumption) it seems logical the #Packers choosing not do the restructure anyway, suggests they are open to reworking the contract in SOME way because they clearly aren’t afraid of ballooning his ‘22 cap number.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) April 15, 2021
I don’t know if this Adams tweet is just nothing but random musings, but given his contract situation and the situation with Rodgers it feels a little bit like a shot at the FO. I don’t 100% disagree with their strategy toward Rodgers, I get it, but I’m concerned that this situation will have major blowback in the lockerroom. Rodgers seems to own the lockerroom, he is tight with Adams, his OL, etc. They are in a precarious position with having like 0 WRs under contract in ‘22, 0 CBs under contract in ‘22, and a ton of uncertainty around the QB position. It may not be as simple as just throwing money at Adams or Jaire to get them re-signed, they may not want to be in GB without Rodgers. The team is certainly losing the perception battle to Rodgers in the media, they need to make some moves to fight off losing the lockerroom.
Just wanna remind yall that me and Keenan Allen would go for 300 yards a game. Ayte bet enjoy ya night!!
— Davante Adams (@tae15adams) April 16, 2021
The jury is still out on Gutey going forward. I trust him as a draft guy. He has proven to be fairly good at scouting talent and picking it. But so was Ted pre-dementia.
Where I am not so confident is in these "cap management" personnel decisions...he must rely on Russ Balls for that...and that is concerning. Balls is a bean-counter who convinced Ted to let Micah Hyde walk.
Maybe I am putting too much blame on Gutey for the Rodgers situation...maybe it's What Me Murphy pulling the strings. The structure of the Packers organization is bullshit. This whole "3 silos," crap sounds like something Murphy picked up at a management seminar. To me, it sounds like spreading out the blame across three people.
IMO, we need to dump Murphy, and get back to the model we had under Bob Harlan...strong president who empowers a GM who makes all the calls on budget, personnel and coaching. Harlan was hands-off until he needed to be hands-on.
Normally, I entrust the leadership to make calls on players and contracts...I fully supported Ted's handling of Bert...largely because Bert was a twat and behaved as such. 12 is the anti-Bert in every way imaginable. For that reason alone, they need to keep him around as long as they can. He's earned that with his play on the field and his behavior off of it.
@Chongo posted:The jury is still out on Gutey going forward. I trust him as a draft guy. He has proven to be fairly good at scouting talent and picking it. But so was Ted pre-dementia.
Where I am not so confident is in these "cap management" personnel decisions...he must rely on Russ Balls for that...and that is concerning. Balls is a bean-counter who convinced Ted to let Micah Hyde walk.
Maybe I am putting too much blame on Gutey for the Rodgers situation...maybe it's What Me Murphy pulling the strings. The structure of the Packers organization is bullshit. This whole "3 silos," crap sounds like something Murphy picked up at a management seminar. To me, it sounds like spreading out the blame across three people.
IMO, we need to dump Murphy, and get back to the model we had under Bob Harlan...strong president who empowers a GM who makes all the calls on budget, personnel and coaching. Harlan was hands-off until he needed to be hands-on.Normally, I entrust the leadership to make calls on players and contracts...I fully supported Ted's handling of Bert...largely because Bert was a twat and behaved as such. 12 is the anti-Bert in every way imaginable. For that reason alone, they need to keep him around as long as they can. He's earned that with his play on the field and his behavior off of it.
This captures the problem you've outlined very well. As long as things go well, it covers up a lot of organizational dysfunction. As soon as it starts to go South, it can become a feed-forward loop very quickly. As you point out, the big issue is Ball and Gutey essentially being equal within the organization. If you had to invent a way to set up as much dysfunction as possible, this would be it. It might be a situation where MLF and Gutey want to win now (obviously) and would be fully onboard with reworking Rodgers' contract to bring in some talent while Ball is blocking it because he has the ability to do that. The fact that we can even think this is a possibility reflects terrible management structure. Someone whose main administrative experience was being the AD at Northestern has set this up.
@Chongo posted:The jury is still out on Gutey going forward. I trust him as a draft guy. He has proven to be fairly good at scouting talent and picking it. But so was Ted pre-dementia.
Where I am not so confident is in these "cap management" personnel decisions...he must rely on Russ Balls for that...and that is concerning. Balls is a bean-counter who convinced Ted to let Micah Hyde walk.
Maybe I am putting too much blame on Gutey for the Rodgers situation...maybe it's What Me Murphy pulling the strings. The structure of the Packers organization is bullshit. This whole "3 silos," crap sounds like something Murphy picked up at a management seminar. To me, it sounds like spreading out the blame across three people.
IMO, we need to dump Murphy, and get back to the model we had under Bob Harlan...strong president who empowers a GM who makes all the calls on budget, personnel and coaching. Harlan was hands-off until he needed to be hands-on.Normally, I entrust the leadership to make calls on players and contracts...I fully supported Ted's handling of Bert...largely because Bert was a twat and behaved as such. 12 is the anti-Bert in every way imaginable. For that reason alone, they need to keep him around as long as they can. He's earned that with his play on the field and his behavior off of it.
disagree
Would Jordy say this without talking to AR?
I’ve said it numerous times the funky leadership structure certainly doesn’t lend itself well toward collaboration and alignment. Gute and Ball are equals. Technically, so is MLF as they all report to Murphy.
For all of MMs faults he recognized the post TT world was a problem. Murphy might be great at building sand castles or ice rinks, but I’m not sure he’s the guy you want to break the tie with important organizational decisions. You saw this recently when asked about Rodgers status. I mean, he couldn’t have fucked things up worse if he tried. “No comment” basically will have the opposite effect. Tell the world you love Rodgers and he’s your guy and he’s under contract. That’s all factual information. If things change, they can change but it won’t create a shit storm.
Ball seems to be the odd man out in that he has an inordinate amount of power given he’s the cap guy. He’s a glorified bean counter and will always view his role as the money guy, roster be damned. Since Murphy thinks he’s a de facto owner, he’s going to rely on the dollars and cents and likely has tunnel vision with Ball. What Murphy doesn’t understand is Ball does influence the roster and football operations because he’s the decider on who gets paid, not Gute, and not MLF.
Not to mention if Ball understood personnel or football operations he would have been TTs replacement but since it didn’t it probably means he’s difficult to work with or unwilling to learn. To this day, I have not heard one football guy (player or coach or scout or front office) go out of their way to praise the guy. That should tell you something.
I think you are asking for trouble if you limit the control of the GM because if the coach wants to be heard (about roster decisions) this current structure won’t work. Ball can effectively veto decisions and have plausible deniability due his influence over player contracts and potential free agents.
I firmly believe that it’s possible that Gute and/or MLF want to go “all in” but if Ball doesn’t want to take more financial risks to make that happen so here we sit.
Way too many long posts and quoted long posts.
In defense of Murphy, we don’t have the deep pockets of an owner. GBP needs to make money and navigate the league beyond just the TV revenue we automatically get. There are owners who seemingly don’t want their team spending much more than the cap floor and they’re never competitive because of it. If GB wasn’t flush with cash we would likely be in the same boat IMO. Things like the pro shop, bar/restaurant, HOF, and titletown district expansion are keeping GB/Lambeau as a viable attraction going forward. That’s good business and he’s done a good job from that perspective. On the football side who knows how much his role actually is. Certainly it SEEMS the buck stops with him IRT the reporting structure, but who knows how specific decisions have played out. You would expect that this Rodgers situation was planned and everyone reporting to Murphy (Ball, Gute, MLF) were in agreement that this was the path forward. If they’re doing this by committee then ultimately it’s not one persons fault. Everyone shares the failure or success. Let’s be real: Bob Harlan’s greatest legacy is the top notch expansion and modernization of Lambeau. He hired Wolf and let him win a SB, but he also hired Mike Sherman as GM to replace Wolf. Gute and MLF will go down as good hires in the end, but this Rodgers situation could really tarnish everyone’s legacy.
@GBFanForLife posted:Way too many long posts and quoted long posts.
If only you had the ability not to read them. 
@Chongo posted:The jury is still out on Gutey going forward. I trust him as a draft guy. He has proven to be fairly good at scouting talent and picking it. But so was Ted pre-dementia.
Where I am not so confident is in these "cap management" personnel decisions...he must rely on Russ Balls for that...and that is concerning. Balls is a bean-counter who convinced Ted to let Micah Hyde walk.
Maybe I am putting too much blame on Gutey for the Rodgers situation...maybe it's What Me Murphy pulling the strings. The structure of the Packers organization is bullshit. This whole "3 silos," crap sounds like something Murphy picked up at a management seminar. To me, it sounds like spreading out the blame across three people.
IMO, we need to dump Murphy, and get back to the model we had under Bob Harlan...strong president who empowers a GM who makes all the calls on budget, personnel and coaching. Harlan was hands-off until he needed to be hands-on.Normally, I entrust the leadership to make calls on players and contracts...I fully supported Ted's handling of Bert...largely because Bert was a twat and behaved as such. 12 is the anti-Bert in every way imaginable. For that reason alone, they need to keep him around as long as they can. He's earned that with his play on the field and his behavior off of it.
Great post! 12 has absolutely earned it. Murphy can go anytime and the jury is very much still out on Gute as well. The org structure is set up to fail.
@Blair Kiel posted:If only you had the ability not to read them.
I don't read them, I just scroll down to the next post. There's this little wheel thingy on my mouse that allows me to do this. More folks should try using it.
I call it "The Wheel of Fedya"
@DurangoDoug posted:I don't read them, I just scroll down to the next post. There's this little wheel thingy on my mouse that allows me to do this. More folks should try using it.
All the scrolling is hard on the mouse battery.
When is that game show on????
I suppose Fedya White is on the show.
And what about Pat Doesn'tsayjack?
Taxpayer dollars?
@Pikes Peak posted:Would Jordy say this without talking to AR?
Jordy, separating the wheat from the chaff.
@Grave Digger posted:Gute and MLF will go down as good hires in the end, but this Rodgers situation could really tarnish everyone’s legacy.
Let's see how good the entire organization looks without Rodgers. The biggest overall failing of the Packers organization over the past decade is the inability or being unwilling to build a top tier defense. There' always some kind of acceptable loss quotient, which has become tiresome.
I don't have a problem with hiring a GM without experience but with Ball's ambitions to be a GM along with Gunt of all the people getting the job, Gunt sure is looking more like a stooge hiring. Ball isn't some kind of cap wizard, he's a bog standard money clown with oversized ambitions.
I like Mayo. Let's see if the FO schmucks can get him talent for a complete team after Rodgers is gone.
@Grave Digger posted:There’s nothing wrong with Rodgers pushing for more guarantees and commitment from the team. Players easily get screwed when they don’t play their hand when their leverage is the highest. No one and everyone is the “bad guy” in this situation. Favre’s sin wasn’t waffling on retirement, it was un-retiring right before training camp when the team was squarely Rodgers and trying to force the team to allow him to play for the Vikings. I do recall there was talk that off-season of him wanting to go to the Vikings or Bears. Rodgers is just trying to get some security, nothing wrong with it, but he’s creating a ton of annoying media hype and intrigue.
All of this contract hype started with the idea of clearing cap space. I don't recall Rodgers demanding a restructure of his own volition. It came up as part of a making cap room. Instead, the FO did enough to get under the cap and that's it.
I think you’re wrong on that. This issue was discussed before we even drafted Love. The idea of Rodgers age and future has been out there. Then after Love you have Rodgers talking about his heavy tequila pour on draft night, implying some tension about the choice. Then you have Rodgers on Pat McAfee during the season talking about uncertainties and things not being in his control. Rodgers has no guarantees left on his deal basically and has been setting the stage for this public showdown for a while.
All it would take, if GB wants to push back in public (which isn’t a good look), is to float the idea that GB offered him a guaranteed Tom Brady deal at a lower cap figure and he declined because he wants to be the top paid QB in the league. We’ve already seen this “agent” quote about how they can’t sign free agents because of the Rodgers situation. THAT was the team’s subtle response to Rodgers control talk. This fight could get nasty if everyone wants it to be and could lead to a Rodgers holdout in the fall, this is the last year he has leverage.
I expect it will get nasty. That's why those dopes in the FO should get what they can for Rodgers right now.
Rodgers is extremely cautious about how he maintains his image and reputation. He’s been very measured in his comments because he knows the minute he even appears as ungrateful or demanding the public will turn on him quickly. While he’s arguably the best QB in team history, he doesn’t have the adoration of fans like Brett did.
I think the Packers are fine either way. If it goes south they can trade him and get a bounty in return. If they keep him that’s fine as well. Much ado about nothing but it’s something to talk about.
Who is this public you speak of? Rodgers worrying about the Green Bay fan base means dick just like it meant dick to Bert. Rodgers has a golden ticket to where ever he wants to go including Jeopardy. He's not Bert in the fact he has unlimited post career opportunities. He also has unlimited options right now regardless of the fucking contract.
If the biggest controversy Rodgers can stir up is "it's not up to me" well that's fucking pathetic to piss on a guy for being honest.
Everybody knows he's going to play this year and do what he always does. If "it's not up to me" causes some fervor while putting up another career season who is more pathetic in this situation?