Rodgers Wants A New Contract?

If you assume the cap goes up to 200MM in 2022 and another 20MM in 2023 having a guy like Rodgers being paid 35MM isn’t the end of the world.  Shit, you could guarantee Rodgers this season, 2022 and 2023 and still have some money to work with.    If I’m Rodgers, that should sound pretty good to me.  If I’m the Packers, that still leaves you with Jordan Love 5th year club option in 2024.  If Love is garbage, you can cut him loose and still maybe retain Rodgers depending on how he’s playing.  If Love looks great - you have options.  Play him in 2024, extend him or trade him.  

What you can’t do is guarantee Rodgers 45MM+ like Pat Mahomes is making.  I mean, theoretically you could in year 3, assuming the cap rebounds and goes up. Not sure I would though.

To me, it’s a simple solution.  You extend the olive branch and tear up his contract and tell him you will guarantee him 3 years at an average of 35MM- which is basically what he would be making if the Packers picked up 2022 and 2023.  

If it’s truly about security, I see no reason why AR wouldn’t jump on that.  

The fly in the ointment is Jordan Love is also represented by David Dunn.  Dunn doesn’t care about the Packers; it’s his job to maximize value and worth of both of his clients - Rodgers and Love included- because then he benefits financially.  So for Dunn, the best case scenario might be for Rodgers to get traded so it opens the door to showcase Love.  Or trade Love to a team to get him more exposure.  But having Rodgers and Love both not play doesn’t help David Dunn’s interests one bit.

This is all you need to know, ignore everything else.

12 wants to know he gets to be the Packers QB till he retires. Gunt wants the freedom to cut him whenever he deems Nub is ready to be QB1.

That is why we are where we are.

The ball is in Alfred E. Murphy's court...he's gonna have to stop being the Lord of the Strip Mall and put his managin' pants on, and make a fucking decision.

You either cut your GM's nutsack off, or tell your HOF QB you don't value his desire to retire a Packer as much as you do backing your GM.

I don't understand why Mayo and Dumb Gunt couldn't effectively evaluate Love through the upcoming pre-seasons.  It's not like Rodgers was getting playing time waiting behind Bert but they still made the call.

Yeah, it's not that they can't evaluate Nub, it's the fact they've seen enough to know right now he is not ready to be NFL QB1...and they are praying he shows that in 2021 and they can send 12 off.

And 12 is saying, rightly so, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

The FO has done a masterful job getting idiots like Bradslaw come out and make this about "Aaron is a pussy, he's skeered of Love," when that is total bullshit.

It deflects from Gunt's complete and utter mishandling of this thing from the start...zero communication about drafting Nub to 12 (which is vastly different than 'getting his approval')...to the assumption that 12 was going to be OK being the main piece until the side piece is ready.

And many of the sheeple are buying the FO narrative.

Gunt fucked this up, now he's getting it his comeuppance and people are buying he is the victim of a diva QB. JFC....

So Rodgers is essentially asking for a lifetime guaranteed contract, giving him the ability to play as long as he wants while guaranteeing he can retire a Packers on his time table.  Don't think I have to point out that this is completely unreasonable because no player in history has ever received this type of treatment.....

I would give Rodgers a 3 year guaranteed contract.  At that point he'll have turned 40, and then it's year to year.  While not ideal, it does give you a year with Jordan Love on the 5th year option.  If Rodgers sees that as unreasonable then it's clear he's living in fantasy land and it's time to move on. 

@Goldie posted:

and Aaron is now getting booed???  At the Timber Rattlers game......(can’t post, Milwaukee Journal headline).  

To be expected.  Rodgers can't be blind to shit storm.  He saw it with Bert so to expect different would be pretty foolish.  Rodgers is riding the shit wave now.

@CUPackFan posted:

So Rodgers is essentially asking for a lifetime guaranteed contract, giving him the ability to play as long as he wants while guaranteeing he can retire a Packers on his time table.  Don't think I have to point out that this is completely unreasonable because no player in history has ever received this type of treatment.....

Why is that unreasonable? I'm sorry, why is that "completely unreasonable"?

Because it's something that no player in history has been afforded (at least not in the free agent era).  Not Tom Brady, Joe Montana, and not Peyton Manning.  So yes, I consider something that has never happened in the 30 year free agent era to be unreasonable. 

Where is this lifetime guarantee?  Do we even know any details about any offer from either side?

For Ratpack, a lifetime guarantee is the length of time it takes his bananas to ripen.

@bdplant posted:

I don’t understand why he needs more of a guarantee. If he comes back next season and plays anywhere remotely as well as last season, there’s no way the Gute would cut him....

I know we all here at x4 think Aaron Rodgers should take your word as gospel, but unfortunately in his mind, the guess of a random internet poster saying "there's no way Gute would cut him" is less than meaningless and is not at all a guarantee.

@bdplant posted:

Gute obviously thought AR was on the decline and he was obviously wrong. Keep proving him wrong and make it so Gute can’t get rid of you.

See, this is good and right. Producing probably the 2nd/3rd best season by a QB of all time isn't enough. Do it again. Shut up and play. Again. Like he did in 2020. And he needs to produce. Again. Like he did in 2020 when he produced one of the greatest 3-5 seasons in NFL history. Just prove him wrong! Again! There's NO WAY that Gute would come back again next year and say "Well, do it one more year and maybe we can talk".

See this is the way you manage a group. You manage your generational talent no differently than the weakest link in the group. PROVE IT AGAIN BISH!

The idea of giving any player a “lifetime agreement” is stupid and I’m not even sure that’s what Rodgers is asking for.  

What we know is he doesn’t want to go into 2021 with no assurances beyond 2021.  That’s completely understandable especially considering he just won the MVP and had arguably his best season.  

I do think guaranteeing 2022 and 2023 is a reasonable position to take assuming you are just moving the existing dollars around.  Those years were already on the books albeit the team could opt out of both remaining years.  

Unless the team is 100% certain Jordan Love is ready to step in right now you have to keep Rodgers past 2021.  Because Rodgers won’t play 2021 in GB without knowing he is the QB past this year.  The lame duck issue is a concern because let’s remember Jaire and Adams may not extend if they don’t know who the QB is in 2022.  And for GB, they have to extend both guys this year because if they hit the open market it’s doubtful they will return to GB.

3-4 years isn't a "lifetime" unless you're a guinea pig.

Propaganda coming out of the FO is "we offered to make Aaron the top paid player in the NFL!"

Yeah, but for how long? A year? With the right to cut him free in 2022? I've said this from the start...I never thought this was about money for 12, it was about longevity.

I doubt he will play more than 3-4 more years anyway...he's getting married, and has talked about having kids.

According to ESPN’s Rob Demovsky, the Packers are upset that rival clubs might have reached out to Rodgers to gauge his interest in playing for their team via trade. Green Bay believes the 49ers and Broncos, the two clubs heavily connected to Rodgers, committed tampering.

This isn’t the first time the Packers have thought a rival tampered with their superstar quarterback. Green Bay filed a charge to the NFL in 2008, accusing the Minnesota Vikings of tampering with Brett Favre

Let's worry about who the Packers QB is going to be before whining about tampering. Ya, I am sure it happened. No, I don't think the league gives a shit 

@Henry posted:

To be expected.  Rodgers can't be blind to shit storm.  He saw it with Bert so to expect different would be pretty foolish.  Rodgers is riding the shit wave now.

Nice detail with the corn!

Call it what you want but sounds like Rodgers wants a contract that guarantees he's with the Packers until he decides he wants to retire while paying him as a top QB.  That arrangement has never happened before so if that's what Rodgers wants, I do consider it unreasonable. 

John Kuhn weighs in.

https://packerswire.usatoday.c...da51cbb61b721acb21b7

Accept nobody knows what he wants. 

@YATittle posted:

John Kuhn weighs in.

https://packerswire.usatoday.c...da51cbb61b721acb21b7

Thanks YA Goldie

Hey Y.A.

Aren't you supposed to be teaching right about now?

I remember when I wasn't unemployed like I am now, I actually worked during the time my company paid me money.

Godddam I wish I had me a government job.

@Dr._Bob posted:

I think John Kuhn's comments have been the most illuminating and clarify what Rodgers actually wants.  If they give him job and salary security rather than just a one and done plan, he'll stay.

...and why is he demanding job security in the form of guaranteed compensation over the next 3 years?  That seems silly coming from the MVP, of course he has job security, right?

Rong. Thanks Gute. 

Packers want maximum flexibility at the QB position and AR wants maximum security at the position. Need to find a middle ground that's acceptable to both and if that can't be done you move AR with as much compensation as possible.

@Henry posted:

Thanks YA Goldie

I actually resent that Henry.    But kinda flattered as well.  

@BrainDed posted:

...and why is he demanding job security in the form of guaranteed compensation over the next 3 years?  That seems silly coming from the MVP, of course he has job security, right?

Rong. Thanks Gute.

No player has guaranteed security unless it’s in their contract…especially superstar QBs. That’s not a Gute problem, that’s just how the league works. Poor Juwan James will lose his entire $10M “guaranteed” salary because he popped his Achilles working out away from the team.

Stipulate a condition related to winning the SB.

@Grave Digger posted:

No player has guaranteed security unless it’s in their contract…especially superstar QBs. That’s not a Gute problem, that’s just how the league works. Poor Juwan James will lose his entire $10M “guaranteed” salary because he popped his Achilles working out away from the team.

Your love for and willingness to defend the franchise is admirable.   Your ability to blind yourself to the franchise's leadership making errors, until they leave office, is remarkable.   

Every single time an obvious mistake is made, AJ Hawk contracts, Ted  Thompson decline, King over Watt, Dom Capers decline, Mike McCarthy decline and now Gute mishandling this situation you toe the party line like a good soldier until told to do otherwise by the franchise.

They make mistakes my man.  It's okay to admit that your loved one, the franchise, is flawed and still love them the same.

There are potentially heavy conversations behind closed doors with @AaronRodgers12 & the #Packers

If they were to come out & address it, it might be a very different outcome 1 week from now than it is right now so you can see why they would want to keep quiet #PatMcAfeeShowLIVE pic.twitter.com/BDfd0C8wEE

— Pat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) May 6, 2021

If this as some speculated early on, just a contract ploy, then I have even less respect for AR than before, although IMHO, the Packers should just pay him and guarantee him if possible within "reason".  The alternative of going forward with Love is extremely risky.  Write it off that barring a catastrophic injury or event that AR is the QB the next 3,4,5 years and ride with it.

As others have pointed out, them both having the same agent is really tough situation.  It could turn out better for both players but it could also cost Love some real money in a couple of years.

@BrainDed posted:

Your love for and willingness to defend the franchise is admirable.   Your ability to blind yourself to the franchise's leadership making errors, until they leave office, is remarkable.   

Every single time an obvious mistake is made, AJ Hawk contracts, Ted  Thompson decline, King over Watt, Dom Capers decline, Mike McCarthy decline and now Gute mishandling this situation you toe the party line like a good soldier until told to do otherwise by the franchise.

They make mistakes my man.  It's okay to admit that your loved one, the franchise, is flawed and still love them the same.

It's also ok to move on and stop harping on the same sh*t for years.

Fuck Schefter...

@BrainDed posted:

Your love for and willingness to defend the franchise is admirable.   Your ability to blind yourself to the franchise's leadership making errors, until they leave office, is remarkable.   

Every single time an obvious mistake is made, AJ Hawk contracts, Ted  Thompson decline, King over Watt, Dom Capers decline, Mike McCarthy decline and now Gute mishandling this situation you toe the party line like a good soldier until told to do otherwise by the franchise.

They make mistakes my man.  It's okay to admit that your loved one, the franchise, is flawed and still love them the same.

Mmm or do I just enjoy disagreeing with whiny entitled fans for fun? Which is it? Hard to know.

$ zero shits given about fanbase or legacy or winning - give some $ up so we can sign some guys and make a run, ya right.  that's where TB12 is the man - he DOES that.  for AR, it's all $ - and that's a shame since he's the largest part of our cap hit for the next few years and hurts to extend other key players to 'run it back' -  wow.

If I were the Packers and 12, I'd never speak to ESPN ever again.

@pkr_north posted:

$ zero shits given about fanbase or legacy or winning - give some $ up so we can sign some guys and make a run, ya right.  that's where TB12 is the man - he DOES that.  for AR, it's all $ - and that's a shame since he's the largest part of our cap hit for the next few years and hurts to extend other key players to 'run it back' -  wow.

It would be better to have a pedestrian QB like Cousins who isn't a drain on the cap.

@Goldie posted:

I actually resent that Henry.    But kinda flattered as well.  

You're a part of x4 lore.

https://youtu.be/pKSc_h02fGk

Adam Schefter Admits He Had No Sources On Rodgers/Packers Drama Story

Don't know how to post a video, but this is interesting.

Fucking Schefter.  What the hell?  Any cred he had, it should be gone after this