BrainDed posted:Not pleased... High probability he would have been there at 30.
Higher probability he wouldn't be available at 30.
DH13 posted:It's almost as if after #9 they were surprised that Williams or Bush was gonna fall into their lap and after PIT sharked CIN all of a sudden Gute panicked and took the risk.
that's alot of assumptions. alot of mocks had williams and bush gone by 12 anyway...I don't think gute panicked.
I don't think he'll be a bust like Harrell or Worthy. He plays the run, can set the edge, has a high motor and will chase plays. That in itself will get you drafted in the 4th round and sets you up for a 10 year career. But I give him about a 10% chance he lives up to the #12 pick in the draft. I just don't remember that many players who get to the NFL and THEN develop pass rushing moves. That's why I liked Brian Burns so much and did not like Gary. I actually think Burns had a higher bust potential than Gary because if Burns can't rush the passer, he couldn't do anything else. Worst case Gary can still play first and second down. Not what you want from your #12 pick but better than a bust.
Packer fans during draft - WFT. What a horrible pick. Shoulda got some third string LB from Wisconsin. Hand me another Grain Belt.
At Training Camp - We LOvE you Rashan! Will you ride my kid’s bike?
Oy!
BrainDed posted:Not pleased... High probability he would have been there at 30.
You mean like Clelin Ferrell was supposed to be there at #15 for Carolina?
These teams know where players are slotted.
The last time I heard this much whining from the NFL draft was 1995. Look it up.
Boris posted:BrainDed posted:Not pleased... High probability he would have been there at 30.
You mean like Clelin Ferrell was supposed to be there at #15 for Carolina?
These teams know where players are slotted.
Yup.
Does anyone think that the fact the majority of the top 10 were already wearing colors/patterns that reflected the teams that drafted them was a co-inky-dink?!?!?!
After that, I figure there's some 'play' but yeah, the teams know where who's going to go, even with 'shocking/stupid' picks.
I still enjoy it!
CUPackFan posted:I don't think he'll be a bust like Harrell or Worthy. He plays the run, can set the edge, has a high motor and will chase plays. That in itself will get you drafted in the 4th round and sets you up for a 10 year career. But I give him about a 10% chance he lives up to the #12 pick in the draft. I just don't remember that many players who get to the NFL and THEN develop pass rushing moves. That's why I liked Brian Burns so much and did not like Gary. I actually think Burns had a higher bust potential than Gary because if Burns can't rush the passer, he couldn't do anything else. Worst case Gary can still play first and second down. Not what you want from your #12 pick but better than a bust.
Upside was probably the biggest decider between the two. Burns is a lot closer to his ceiling than Gary is, Gary is a lump of clay at this point. A lot more you can do with the latter.
Boris posted:The last time I heard this much whining from the NFL draft was 1995. Look it up.
They drafted another Darius Holland?
I'm warming up to Gary. Everything you read about him says athletic freak. I'd like to see more production in college but he may translate big time to the NFL. GB is putting a ton of stock into the defense through FA and R1 of the draft.
Gute must be okay with the OL after the FA signing and Madison's return.
If Gary can sack or pressure Cousins, Trubiscuit and the Detroit guy,he'll be worth the #12 pick.
Does anyone know when his shoulder surgery is? I'm guessing Week 4.
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CUPackFan posted:I just don't remember that many players who get to the NFL and THEN develop pass rushing moves.
Ezekiel Ansah is the best example of this.
Ansah is a good call. I was thinking Jason Pierre-Paul too. So maybe Gary does have a chance.
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Just spent the last 3 hours watching the Bust on the wide screen. Is the draft through first rd yet?
RatPack posted:Just spent the last 3 hours watching the Bust on the wide screen. Is the draft through first rd yet?
Does it matter?
I presume Peggy isn't home yet....
Gutey said he was "locked in on" Rashan Gary since February. Says no concerns over lack of production: "He affected the passer. He affected the game. And at times, he wrecked it. Certainly, he's a premier athlete, and he has an exceptional motor on the field."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) April 26, 2019
She ain't cooking that's for sure.
Sure seems like Gary is a candidate for something. Crossing guard for the bike riders?
Wasn't Nick Perry a DE hand on the dirt guy that we tried to teach a new position too?
RatPack posted:She ain't cooking that's for sure.
Sure seems like Gary is a candidate for something. Crossing guard for the bike riders?
That first time the girls seat on a Schwinn goes up his ass and he is staring at the streamers hanging off the handle grips, with a cameraman, mom, and beaming child looking at him, he'll realize how fast he needs to peddle.
da Yooper posted:Packer fans during draft - WFT. What a horrible pick. Shoulda got some third string LB from Wisconsin. Hand me another Grain Belt.
At Training Camp - We LOvE you Rashan! Will you ride my kid’s bike?
Oy!
Any Packers “fan” whose go-to beer is a Minneapolis home brew doesn’t deserve an opinion about who the Packers draft.
I guess I now have no opinions that matter....
michiganjoe posted:Gutey said he was "locked in on" Rashan Gary since February. Says no concerns over lack of production: "He affected the passer. He affected the game. And at times, he wrecked it. Certainly, he's a premier athlete, and he has an exceptional motor on the field."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) April 26, 2019
"Affecting the passer" is accurate. I watch the vast majority of MI games & while Gary didn't rack up the sacks (which I would have loved to have seen), he does get into the backfield a lot. And he's good against the run. While I was a bit surprised at this pick & would have personally preferred one of the OTs with how the draft fell, I think Gary has a chance to be real good.
From Packer Report:
Quick note on Gary's sack totals. In college, Danielle Hunter had 4.5 in 3 years. He has 34 the past 3 years with Vikings.
RatPack posted:Wasn't Nick Perry a DE hand on the dirt guy that we tried to teach a new position too?
Yes. This may be the one thing that does bother me a little. Perry was solid when he wasn't being a puss. I don't think Angry Bald Man is going to Wizard all over Gary though. It's pretty clear a lot of pressure is going to be coming right up the gut with this defense, the Smithi and now Gary make it pretty clear. Having a corp of guys that can bring it from multiple positions depending on down/distance should be pretty damn interesting. I can see why they would also be looking for a pure FS like Savage and previously MLB's like Burks to absorb more of the coverage work. I think OLBs will be more run/rush orientated than coverage but I guess we'll see.
It would be interesting to go back and look over the last twenty years how picks like this have actually worked out.
Gary was the #1 rated HS prospect in the country, yet managed to get 10 career sacks. Granted, he probably attracted a lot of attention from the opposition but as we know college isn’t the pros.
Either he’s just not that good or he lacks motivation and effort. So he underachieved in college and now is due a big payday and we should expect him to become an impact player? If he does it would go against the grain.
I’m fine with taking that type of risk at 30 but 12? Cmon Gute.
First reaction is thank you El Ka Bong I can't read anything else.
Ok many hate this pick but I would hope that they ran it by the angry bald guy and asked him what he thought. If the Pettine is happy with it and thinks he knows just how to use him I will trust the process and the coaching staff. It doesn't matter at this point what mock draft say because no draft room is worth its salt if they pay attention to that.
FinnLander posted:michiganjoe posted:Gutey said he was "locked in on" Rashan Gary since February. Says no concerns over lack of production: "He affected the passer. He affected the game. And at times, he wrecked it. Certainly, he's a premier athlete, and he has an exceptional motor on the field."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) April 26, 2019"Affecting the passer" is accurate. I watch the vast majority of MI games & while Gary didn't rack up the sacks (which I would have loved to have seen), he does get into the backfield a lot. And he's good against the run. While I was a bit surprised at this pick & would have personally preferred one of the OTs with how the draft fell, I think Gary has a chance to be real good.
I also watched a bunch of their games and he doesn't get the big sack totals but he is disruptive and gets in the back field. I am not saying he is the next Reggie White but I think he has the potential to be a good one.
It's all on Pettine and crew to make a player out of Gary, now. The videos they watched of Gary must have been really compelling to pick him at #12 and to give up both 4th round picks(114 & 118) for him. In truth, the last guy I wanted to pick at #12 was Gary. We'll see how this goes as I feel Gute has some more surprises up his sleeve for Day 2.
mrtundra posted:It's all on Pettine and crew to make a player out of Gary, now. The videos they watched of Gary must have been really compelling to pick him at #12 and to give up both 4th round picks(114 & 118) for him. In truth, the last guy I wanted to pick at #12 was Gary. We'll see how this goes as I feel Gute has some more surprises up his sleeve for Day 2.
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mrtundra posted:It's all on Pettine and crew to make a player out of Gary, now. The videos they watched of Gary must have been really compelling to pick him at #12 and to give up both 4th round picks(114 & 118) for him. In truth, the last guy I wanted to pick at #12 was Gary. We'll see how this goes as I feel Gute has some more surprises up his sleeve for Day 2.
It's early in the morning, and I just had my first sip of coffee....but didn't the Packers give up the two 4s to move up from 30 to 21 for Savage?
The more I think about this pick, the more comfortable I'm getting with it. Pettine worked wonders with a banged to sh#t defensive unit. The guy has proven he knows what he's doing in the past, and he was Doug Henning in '18, keeping us in games when our offense stalled. If he signed off on Gary, that's a ringing endorsement. If he's been "on their radar" for some time, I'm good. Take that freak athletic ability, and tear some sh#t up, big man!
In a Detroit Free Press story, team-mate Devin Bush gave Gary a ringing endorsement, saying he would've drafted Gary before himself. Says the shoulder issue is really a media thing. So it'll be interesting to see if Gary was one of reasons guys like Devin Bush looked so good. He took up a lot of attention on the field. I'm going to assume Gutie / Pettine know what they're trying to do until it's obvious they don't. As always time will tell, no need to panic.