They traded a 7th (to the Saints) & picked up a 7th from Seattle (I think?)
Something like that
I think in total, they gave up a 3rd and a 6th and got a 5th and a 7th plus a 2019 1st. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm thrilled with the way things went yesterday. I thought Gute was fantastic. For moving down four spots in the first round and a third rounder, we got a player that we wanted from the beginning--there's a good chance that he's the pick at 14 if we stay--and we picked up an extra first and some picks in the later rounds. That's fantastic. It was Belichick-esque, minus the monotone press conference.
As for Alexander, I think he's a great addition. A pure cover corner who is also a dynamic returner and plays with an attitude. We need help in all of those areas. And he's immediately one of the best athletes on the team.
The size doesn't bother me. Wolf instituted the "no-CB-shorter-than-six-feet" rule after Moss absolutely owned us. It continued to make sense with Calvin Johnson in the division. But those guys are gone,and recent history tells us that shorter CBs can also dominate (see, e.g., Revis, who is 5'11" and Chris Harris, who is 5'10"). We also have a CB in King that has the ability to take any large WRs if there is a match-up problem.
My only concern is the injury history, but those seem to be random injuries rather than long-term injuries that could linger.
Per Prosportstransactions.com (An absolutely fascinating site by the way):
Saints
Traded • 2018 first round pick (#27-Rashaad Penny) • 2018 fifth round pick (#147-?) • 2019 first round pick (?-?) to Packers for • 2018 first round pick (#14-Marcus Davenport) on 2018-04-26
Packers
Traded • 2018 first round pick (#27-Rashaad Penny) • 2018 third round pick (#76-?) • 2018 sixth round pick (#186-?) to Seahawks for • 2018 first round pick (#18-Jaire Alexander) • 2018 seventh round pick (#248-?) on 2018-04-26
Bucky Brooks gave us an A+ on the pick and Maylock had us picking him at 14.
michiganjoe posted:Like his speed and what he brings to the return game and love the move to get an extra first out of it. My guess is on the Packers' board the gap between he and Ward wasn't that significant. Won't ultimately know anything about the wisdom of the moves for several years.
Mike Mayok had Alexander as his top rated CB, (#12 over all vs. #15 for Ward), so I'd expect the Packers felt similarly.
The way the passing game has evolved, it's not about having DBs who can match up and run and defend and tackle the receiver. The guys who can do all those things well are as rare as quick, strong, fast bigs. It's about staying near enough to the receiver so the QB won't throw there. Great QBs can still make the perfect pass and there's nothing to be done about it. Chumps will do it occasionally and that's why CBs have to have a short memory. The key is forcing the QB to his 3rd and 4th reads and give the rush a chance to get home. Alexander fits that scheme perfectly.
BTW, who won the "First to Panic" award?
So...if we assume the Pack would have picked Alexander at 14 anyhow....the end result is...
The Packers traded #76 and #186 for #147 and #248 and a #1 next year.
If call #s 186 and 147 a wash and don't even consider 248.....
In effect the Packers traded a 3rd this year for a first next year.
I'm pretty happy with the guy they got. Really the only thing I'm unhappy about is that the Packers were so bankrupt at CB that they had to draft CBs with 2 straight #1 picks. The Sam Shields thing wasn't their fault. The Randall and Rollins picks really set this team back.
Let's just hope King and Alexander can stay healthy. King definitely looked like a promising player if he could have stayed on the field.
The injury questions are legitimate. I think GB would have selected James but the ransom the Saints threw at GB combined with where they had Alexander graded was too much to pass up. If Alexander stays healthy is a great pick. It's nice to know GB selected a true corner that is highly regarded for his press man ability.
It's also encouraging to see we have a GM that understands how to navigate his way up and down a draft.
grignon posted:BTW, who won the "First to Panic" award?
I may have to give that to my buddy Herschel. He can expect a fruit basket complements of Henry in the mail.
antooo posted:Mike Mayok had Alexander as his top rated CB, (#12 over all vs. #15 for Ward), so I'd expect the Packers felt similarly.
Just for perspective, Mayock had:
6. Derwin James
11. Tremaine Edmunds
12. Jaire Alexander
Mayock doesn't know how Pettine would use any of these guys. Gotta believe Pettine was instrumental in evaluating what type of players best fit his defense....and what they need right now. Probably a happy camper with the pick.
Hope the Saints TANK this year!!!!!
PackerRuss posted:Hope the Saints TANK this year!!!!!
My prediction is Brees gets hurt and Taysom Hills goes all NIck Foels on the bit and wins the bowl.
chickenboy posted:grignon posted:BTW, who won the "First to Panic" award?
I may have to give that to my buddy Herschel. He can expect a fruit basket complements of Henry in the mail.
chickenboy posted:grignon posted:BTW, who won the "First to Panic" award?
I may have to give that to my buddy Herschel. He can expect a fruit basket complements of Henry in the mail.
Great, Ahmad Carroll redux.
Just what they needed, a hobbit.
Yup, your buddy Herschel shat a live hobbit moments after the pick and then wouldn't let go. Pretty impressive performance overall.
I don't know. Herschel got a button pushed but there were some responses in the draft thread from drive by types, after the trade down, that sounded U-Tube worthy.
chickenboy posted:PackerRuss posted:Hope the Saints TANK this year!!!!!
My prediction is Brees gets hurt and Taysom Hills goes all NIck Foels on the bit and wins the bowl.
I'll never get over not keeping him after what he showed in pre-season. Looked better than either of the other backups.
chickenboy posted:PackerRuss posted:Hope the Saints TANK this year!!!!!
My prediction is Brees gets hurt and Taysom Hills goes all NIck Foels on the bit and wins the bowl.
Because Taysom Hill has previously shown the ability to have NFL success, just like Foles?
People should have been a little surprised Foles played as well as he did in the post season. But not THAT surprised. It's not like it was Hundley leading a team to the SB.
The issue I have with the pick, looking past his diminutive stature, is it's the second year in a row we've looked right past a RD1 pass rusher while having a serious need to bolster that position. I'm sure they have a plan for addressing that issue but I thought that last offseason too.
chickenboy posted:PackerRuss posted:Hope the Saints TANK this year!!!!!
My prediction is Brees gets hurt and Taysom Hills goes all NIck Foels on the bit and wins the bowl.
Yup, I’m still pissy that TT let him go.
At the end of the day it probably won't matter but seeing what we saw out of Hundley last year, yeah it sucks they let Taysom go.
"The QB room is fine!!!"
Just for the dreamers: so we keep Taysom Hill and he starts in place of Hundley last year at any point? I get he Michael Vicked it up in a couple spots in a couple pre season games but he had SO far to go to be ready to take regular season snaps, much less starts. If y'all are crying because he could have been developed into a good backup after a couple more years...ok, maybe. What happens with him and Brees in NO will tell us all we need to know about whether he has enough talent to be a starter.
PackerRuss posted:
Definitely not a player I want on my team. 😁
Damn me 1st punks are not Packers People.
BPA @ Biggest Hole on Team(BHT) and a bonus choice next year.
This kid has swag, confidence and blazing speed. Not to mention being a team captain and a leader.
Worst. Pick. Ever.
Is he pacman jones without the "personality" issues?
The more I see of this kid the more I like the pick
He’s enthusiastic, confident, and has a lot of talent. Looks like he’s having fun and that’s fine with me
I like nasty attitudes https://t.co/HVgdbfVu63
— Mike Daniels (@Mike_Daniels76) April 27, 2018
Anyone bitching about the trade down should read ANY commentary. It was highway robbery by Gute. Everyone calls the Saints desperate. He may have overpaid a little to get back to 18, but the net result is a big win. Alexander is not a reach. It was lucky he was still there at 18. But it would have been him or one of the two guys picked at 16 or 17 (Edmunds or James). #15 was an OT that Oakland wanted. Moving down from 14 was nearly risk free in that regard. After the OT, we had a great pick that we valued waiting for us.
hof1991 posted:Anyone bitching about the trade down should read ANY commentary. It was highway robbery by Gute. Everyone calls the Saints desperate. He may have overpaid a little to get back to 18, but the net result is a big win. Alexander is not a reach. It was lucky he was still there at 18. But it would have been him or one of the two guys picked at 16 or 17 (Edmunds or James). #15 was an OT that Oakland wanted. Moving down from 14 was nearly risk free in that regard. After the OT, we had a great pick that we valued waiting for us.
I agree. I was wrong. Wanted Edmunds. This could be better.
I love how the Jaire prancing gif is floating around and most are loving the attitude and some here consider it a punk ass taunting move. He did not get a flag for his dance.
Did anyone see his tattoos?
I just have some character concerns...
Now with the Jackson pick, I bet Alexander goes inside to cover the slot