ROUND 1 PICK 26 (f/Baltimore through New England) - OLB Clay Matthews (USC)

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Originally posted by JJSD:
TT was quite opaque in his allusion to the equity involved,

Dude...dum it the F down please. Pretty words don't mean **** to me.

Example...

STFU dumbass....TT knows WTF he is doing.

Ewe no eye wood never confuse ewe with gnu words.

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Originally posted by Iowacheese:

quote:

Originally posted by JJSD:
TT was quite opaque in his allusion to the equity involved,

Dude...dum it the F down please. Pretty words don't mean **** to me.

Example...

STFU dumbass....TT knows WTF he is doing.

I did not know you smoked the ganja?

JSOnline and other outlets have done draft day trade comparisons in the past .. generally the points work out to be very even from trade to trade. That's what I am basing my thoughts on.

It could be that this year in an anomaly, but based on prior years the Jimmy Johnson point scale thing is usually pretty accurate.

I just think it's a very loose guide and not anywhere near a governing principle. It seems to be an attempt to lend some aspect of objectivity to subjective decisions, which is always a slippery slope when doing almost any sort of deal. The value for this trade is not defined yet, and won't be for a couple of years. We'll never be able to know what TT felt CMIII's (thank you, LSU, for the newest acronym) real value was, as it's a feeling in his gut based on what he saw and what his scouts told him. It still comes down to 'you know a good deal or a very bad deal when you see one,' and assigning points to it is a very limited perspective on all the variables, some of which can only be defined and clarified with time.

TT himself said it wasn't a good trade (I'm sure he's talking in terms of pick value)... not sure why folks are having a hard time accepting that he might have given up a bit more than usual to get the guy he wanted.

I'm not sure why it matters?

That isn't what he said:

(Did you use a trade-value chart for this, and if so, was it an old one or a new one?)

I don't know. We have a couple three of them. One's a composite thing of different ones, and I think one's the original Cowboy one, and there's another one. We have Mike Eayrs who works in statistics and numbers, he does things like that. It wasn't a great trade, but it wasn't a horrible trade for us from a number standpoint. Again, it gets to how badly do you want the player.

Again, it's a subjective decision ultimately, as TT stated.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
I'm not sure why it matters?

You're right - it really doesn't. It's just that a draft is an exercise in judgment, internal logic and subjectivity. Trying to stuff it into a numerical equation the day of or in the days immediately following the draft is illogical. grbaypack is quite obviously fully entitled to his opinion, but it's an opinion and not fact - just like the decision on every draft choice made by every team.

I think we are saying the same thing. I just tried to keep mine simple for the dumbed down ganja gang.

Eye knead two remember that four the ilk in Iowa. My bad.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by Iowacheese:

quote:

Originally posted by JJSD:
TT was quite opaque in his allusion to the equity involved,

Dude...dum it the F down please. Pretty words don't mean **** to me.

Example...

STFU dumbass....TT knows WTF he is doing.

I did not know you smoked the ganja?

eye am looking out four all those who due

That must be the serve part, eh?

A quote from Quinn Johnson about Clay Matthews

Best story I got from today came from Johnson about Clay Matthews:
The two went head-to-head on the first day of practices at the Senior Bowl, and it was memorable.

"As far as the collision, it was just a standstill. We both just stopped," Johnson said. "That guy is strong. Definitely. Most everybody that I hit, I can knock them back. But not that guy. It was pretty serious."

Johnson said through all his practice time against NFL-caliber players at LSU and in games against SEC competition, there has been only one other guy that stood him up: South Carolina linebacker Jasper Brinkley, who was a fifth-round pick this year of the Minnesota Vikings.

"He was the only other guy I hit and didn't move," Johnson said.

There was one more thing Johnson remembered from his collision with Matthews.

"I had a vicious headache for the rest of the day," Johnson said. "Like I said, the guy is strong. He doesn't give ground."

Fullback Quinn Johnson made a one-handed reception. Guess the big man does have some hands.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/...html?tag=rookie+camp

Beautiful.

Bedard's comments about Matthews puts a big poop eating grin on my face:

Matthews is some kind of athlete. Just like at the Senior Bowl, he just jumps out at you on the field. Big (and will get bigger) and fast. Boy can he drop into coverage easily and fluidly. He is not a fish out of water in this scheme. I think it really helps that he and Brandon Jones, who was at LOLB have played in the 3-4. Matthews showed some good pass-rush moves. He just looks like he fits with ease.

Clay Matthews = Ray Nitschke only he lasts even longer

15 year player / 12 time pro-bowler / D-ROY

As Henry would say, "Duly notate it"

"I am a huge TT supporter and I watched a lot of USC last year and I think Belicheck just owned TT."

Lucky he fell into TT's lap.

I stand by my initial opinion.

I watched a lot of CMIII at USC and he was maybe the third best LB on the team. I thought TT gave up way too much to move up 15 spots. The kid is currently having a great, great rookie year. Billy B dropped 15 spots and got a 2nd and two 3rds...a move I would have made as well.

Maybe if TT keeps those 3 other high draft picks maybe our OLine gets a little better.

But you go ahead Rusty and keep up the juvenile, BTP style stalking and taking smart assed pot shots with the benefit of hindsight...and make sure to continue to never, ever submit and opinion or take a stance of your own, because that way no one can ever rub schit in your face months later like you so often love to do. I am sure it will take you a long way in life.

Of all the dumb posts in this thread you went back and searched through it to find one quote (uncredited because you think you are clever) from me to highlight and put up here in front of the world?

Why exactly?

I really want to know.

Act like a ****ing man for once and explain yourself.

Oh I forgot, according to you "questioning a mod is never an option"?

But acting like a little douche apparently still is.

Rusty's a bit child like, but I do think he picked the most memorable quote of the entire thread to post. It's just the way you stated it .. so matter of factly. To date you look wrong, but we'll see how it turns out on down the road. It appears CM III has a very bright future.

I do agree that it looked like TT gave up too much initially, but after seeing the impact CM III has had he appears to be the winner in the deal.

GREAT PICK!!!!!

better yet how about you keep my name out of your little meltdown,tough guy.

I''l tell you what,FS,he's not the only one that needs "STFU" (Yeah I caught the unedited version).


Go be thankful for something.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:

Maybe if TT keeps those 3 other high draft picks maybe our OLine gets a little better.

Maybe. All I know is what we have and we got a damn good player with in Clay, potentially a difference maker for years to come. This defense would be a hell out a lot more ordinary without him - he's really the best pash-rusher on the team at this point. Pass rushers that can also tackle and drop into coverage don't grow on trees.

I have no problem being proven wrong.

I posted my opinion of the situation at that exact moment and I'll stand up and say that was my initial reaction to the trade, right or wrong.

BTP...edit or not...I never told anyone to "STFU".

I apologize if I seen it wrong then,but leave me it out of it,period. You trying to drag me into it makes you look just as childish as rusty.

saw

Thank you,god bless you.

GREEN BAY

Gave up pick 41 (2nd round), 73 (3rd round), and 83 (3rd round) for New England’s 26th (1st round) and 162nd (5th round)

Chose:

Clay Matthews, 26th pick (starter)

Jamon Meredith, 162nd pick (backup tackle for the Buffalo Bills)


NEW ENGLAND

Gave up pick 26 (1st round) and 162 (5th round) for Green Bay’s 41 (2nd round), 73 (3rd round), and 83 (3rd round)

Chose:

Darius Butler, 41st pick (currently 3rd string)

Patriots traded 73rd pick to Jaguars (for their 2nd round pick in 2010)

Brandon Tate, 83rd pick (currently on injured reserve)

hindsight

bless where your hear is tonight...seriously who, IIRC you were one that argued that it was a good move at the time...respect.

I have no problem being wrong, just with some immature twit who has repeatedly shown he thinks it is cool to try and show up the boss, teacher, cops, parents, etc......using hindsight in some attempt to impress the preteen girls.

Hey. I hate Brak if it makes anybody feel better. He was mean to me.

I love Brak.

I love BK.

Please stay together...for us children.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
hindsight

bless where your hear is tonight...seriously who, IIRC you were one that argued that it was a good move at the time...respect.

I have no problem being wrong, just with some immature twit who has repeatedly shown he thinks it is cool to try and show up the boss, teacher, cops, parents, etc......using hindsight in some attempt to impress the preteen girls.

oh, i wasn't meaning to yank any chains or anything by that. i just kind of wanted to see it all in front of me, because it was just tangled in my head. i think overall the patriots might be ahead on it, because they got the jags to cough up a 2010 2nd rounder. if this would have been 2006 and tt was pulling that trade i would have been upset, but i guess i felt we needed a couple bluechippers more than depth, and you have to pay for those, so i didn't care if it was lopsided as much. matthews has to be in the running for rookie of the year. can't remember a green bay rookie exploding into a starter like he has done. it's all good.

No problem man...I am not a real believer in overpaying for high round blue chippers...too much risk for me, hence my dislike of giving multiple high round picks for one guy.

Having said that...

I actually think CM has been better in the NFL than he was in college. Which is weird...like the opposite of Hawk. At USC CM was surrounded by a lot of great players and he looked good but not great, IMO, now he looks like he could have been a dominating top 5 pick...obviously TT saw those skills and that is why he is an NFL GM.

Who ... That's the way I looked at it too. The Packers desperately needed to add some players to that 3-4 mix, and by acquiring Matthews they got a perfect fit OLB who looks like a future pro bowl player. When you get a guy like that it really minimizes the amount of picks it took to get him. That's a big win for the Packers in my opinion.

Raji is now starting to show some major league talent ... it's looking like a major winner of a draft for the Packers.

Dude, nothing personal, it was just one quote out of many that stood out. Chill.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
I love Brak.

I love BK.

Please stay together...for us children.

It'll be a loveless relationship, but I'm willing.

Any one of us has a long list of quotes that we were wrong about. So what?

And trying to justify it by saying, "well you were so matter of fact about it," is a real garbage statement.

You say what you think. Sometimes you are wrong.

The real pussies make statements with a bunch of clarifications and stipulations to protect themselves from being wrong.

EXAMPLE OF A PUSSY STATEMENT: "If Clay Matthews can play good and dominate and do all this cool stuff, then it's probably, maybe a good pick. But if he ends up stinking, it's obviously a horrible trade by TT."

EXAMPLE OF A REAL STATEMENT: "Wow! What a pick! Nice move, TT!" -or- "WTF? I would not've traded away all those picks for a guy that isn't very good!"

I saw alot of USC football And thought they weren't using Matthews right. Thought TT paid too much but I was wrong.

No real knock on Matthews to consider him the 3rd best linebacker on that crew at SC, Mauluga and Cushing were both 4 year starters and the year before Keith Rivers was a top 10 pick. All 3 of the SC rookie linebackers are tearing it up and the 4th (Kaluka Maiva) is starting for the Browns.

Matthews has turned out to be a stud, but I still don't think it's fair to pile on and say they didn't give up too much. It was a steep price to pay, but given they got what turns out to be like a future star they probably don't care.

Let's look at it this way, we could probably go to a Pats board and see them wringing their hands that they could have had CM3 and traded out of the spot that could have had him.